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Who won the second debate?

Doug Burgum
1
2%
Chris Christie
3
7%
Ron DeSantis
1
2%
Nikki Haley
7
17%
Mike Pence
0
No votes
Vivek Ramaswamy
2
5%
Tim Scott
0
No votes
Donald Trump(despite or because of not showing up)
27
66%
 
Total votes : 41

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Tarsonis
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:42 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Then shoot back


I'm not worried for myself. I'm worried for the random people who are gonna get hurt in this and don't see it coming.


That will be unfortunate, but we'll win. And the groups resorting to domestic terrorism will quickly lose support of the less extreme elements.
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:46 pm

My mom doesn’t think concealed carry should be legal. Her reasoning:
“What is the reason other than self defense, like the chances of you getting attack are minuscule.”

Bruh.
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Postby Bradfordville » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:48 pm

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/1 ... r-00116376

Allegedly Joe Biden is both incompetent but also has successfully weaponized the justice department against trump. Have the worms really eaten away at Donald's cerebral cortex that much over the years?
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Postby Bradfordville » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:49 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:My mom doesn’t think concealed carry should be legal. Her reasoning:
“What is the reason other than self defense, like the chances of you getting attack are minuscule.”

Bruh.


Depends on where you live. Your chances of getting attacked can be much higher in many urban environments.

I'm personally against concealed carry...because people should openly carry. 8)
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Postby Eahland » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:52 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Eahland wrote:You can do an awful lot of damage and hurt and kill an awful lot of people without being successful in your stated goals.


Then shoot back

Just the sort of facile non-solution I was expecting.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:53 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:My mom doesn’t think concealed carry should be legal. Her reasoning:
“What is the reason other than self defense, like the chances of you getting attack are minuscule.”

Bruh.


Something something have and not need rather than need and not have.
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:57 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Then shoot back


I'm not worried for myself. I'm worried for the random people who are gonna get hurt in this and don't see it coming.


Caring for others besides yourself are we?

That's UnAmerican!!!
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:57 pm

Eahland wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Then shoot back

Just the sort of facile non-solution I was expecting.


When you present facile problems that's what you get.
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:01 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:My mom doesn’t think concealed carry should be legal. Her reasoning:
“What is the reason other than self defense, like the chances of you getting attack are minuscule.”

Bruh.


Depends on where you live. Your chances of getting attacked can be much higher in many urban environments.

I'm personally against concealed carry...because people should openly carry. 8)

TBH I don’t really like open carry cus
1. It freaks everyone out.
2. It’s mainly just for dudes with a egotistical power boner
3. It’s awkward to carry an AR-15 or whatever around
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“Free will is a myth, religion is a joke. We are all pawns controlled by something greater: Memes, the DNA of the soul. They shape our will. They are the culture. They are everything we pass on. Expose someone to anger long enough, they will learn to hate. They become a carrier. Envy, greed, despair; all memes, all passed along.” -Monsoon

“In wilds beyond they speak your name with reverence and regret,
For none could tame our savage souls yet you the challenge met,
Under palest watch, you taught, we changed, base instincts were redeemed,
A world you gave to bug and beast as they had never dreamed.“ -Monomon the Teacher

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Postby Bradfordville » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:02 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
Depends on where you live. Your chances of getting attacked can be much higher in many urban environments.

I'm personally against concealed carry...because people should openly carry. 8)

TBH I don’t really like open carry cus
1. It freaks everyone out.
2. It’s mainly just for dudes with a egotistical power boner


It freaks people out? Damn, now I wanna openly carry an RPG.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:05 pm

Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:My mom doesn’t think concealed carry should be legal. Her reasoning:
“What is the reason other than self defense, like the chances of you getting attack are minuscule.”

Bruh.

Same reason no one bothers with those pesky seat belt things.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:06 pm

Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
I'm not worried for myself. I'm worried for the random people who are gonna get hurt in this and don't see it coming.


Caring for others besides yourself are we?

That's UnAmerican!!!


Yeah that really has nothing to do with it. It might make you feel more secure in your position that people aren't as scared as you just don't care, but it's 100% a lie you're telling yourself
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:06 pm

Bradfordville wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/15/trump-blasts-special-counsel-jack-smith-for-seeking-gag-order-00116376

Allegedly Joe Biden is both incompetent but also has successfully weaponized the justice department against trump. Have the worms really eaten away at Donald's cerebral cortex that much over the years?

Continual shifting of rhetorical focus, etc.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:06 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Second Dimetrodon Empire wrote:
I live with many who openly fire their guns in the neighborhood and some who even look for trouble.

And many people in my neighborhood openly fire their guns at times. Does this mean that Hispanics will take over the nation? No. Because openly firing a gun doesn’t mean shit.

Age is not a magic bullet. Plus, there are millions of younger people who are just as bad, who can easily back them up.

But are there any? Or are most of those young people just talk?


You're being disingenuous.

These people aren't hunting or engaging in competitive shooting or just practicing for home defense. These are far-right assholes, and this is not happening in a vacuum.

The Hispanics you're citing aren't even comparable.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:07 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:TBH I don’t really like open carry cus
1. It freaks everyone out.
2. It’s mainly just for dudes with a egotistical power boner


It freaks people out? Damn, now I wanna openly carry an RPG.


Avoid clubs with metal detectors. Sure you might feel safe inside, but what about all those dudes outside with guns, they know you ain't got one
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
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Postby Valles Marineris Mining co » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:09 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:TBH I don’t really like open carry cus
1. It freaks everyone out.
2. It’s mainly just for dudes with a egotistical power boner


It freaks people out? Damn, now I wanna openly carry an RPG.

“Officer the GAU-8 Avenger strapped to the roof is entirely for recreation and self defense purposes.”

“You have gotten 200 noise complaints in the past week”
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“In wilds beyond they speak your name with reverence and regret,
For none could tame our savage souls yet you the challenge met,
Under palest watch, you taught, we changed, base instincts were redeemed,
A world you gave to bug and beast as they had never dreamed.“ -Monomon the Teacher

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:12 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
Valles Marineris Mining co wrote:TBH I don’t really like open carry cus
1. It freaks everyone out.
2. It’s mainly just for dudes with a egotistical power boner


It freaks people out? Damn, now I wanna openly carry an RPG.


Don’t forget Dallas. Black dude with an AR-15 walking around. Police wasn’t sure to engage due to open carry laws. He ended up shooting I think 9 people and also killing 5 police.
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Postby Bradfordville » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:14 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
It freaks people out? Damn, now I wanna openly carry an RPG.


Don’t forget Dallas. Black dude with an AR-15 walking around. Police wasn’t sure to engage due to open carry laws. He ended up shooting I think 9 people and also killing 5 police.


I'm shocked that a black man carrying a gun made the police hesitant to shoot.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://deadline.com/2023/09/lauren-boebert-kicked-out-of-beetlejuice-musical-1235545150/

Lauren Boebert Kicked Out Of ‘Beetlejuice’ Musical After “Causing A Disturbance”

If I understand baseball euphemisms correctly, the disturbance was Boebert and her date rounding second and blazing towards third. There is CCTV footage.
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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:17 pm

Bradfordville wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Don’t forget Dallas. Black dude with an AR-15 walking around. Police wasn’t sure to engage due to open carry laws. He ended up shooting I think 9 people and also killing 5 police.


I'm shocked that a black man carrying a gun made the police hesitant to shoot.


Indeed.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:19 pm

Ifreann wrote:
San Lumen wrote:https://deadline.com/2023/09/lauren-boebert-kicked-out-of-beetlejuice-musical-1235545150/

Lauren Boebert Kicked Out Of ‘Beetlejuice’ Musical After “Causing A Disturbance”

If I understand baseball euphemisms correctly, the disturbance was Boebert and her date rounding second and blazing towards third. There is CCTV footage.


2nd Blue line, got it
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:22 pm

Bradfordville wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/15/trump-blasts-special-counsel-jack-smith-for-seeking-gag-order-00116376

Allegedly Joe Biden is both incompetent but also has successfully weaponized the justice department against trump. Have the worms really eaten away at Donald's cerebral cortex that much over the years?


Always remember Trump’s sister. “He has always been a cruel and vindictive man”

He will say whatever the fuck get’s him the most attention.
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* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:26 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Bradfordville wrote:
I'm not worried for myself. I'm worried for the random people who are gonna get hurt in this and don't see it coming.


That will be unfortunate, but we'll win. And the groups resorting to domestic terrorism will quickly lose support of the less extreme elements.


Ah. The collateral damage argument.
*I am a master proofreader after I click Submit.
* There is actually a War on Christmas. But Christmas started it, with it's unparalleled aggression against the Thanksgiving Holiday, and now Christmas has seized much Lebensraum in November, and are pushing into October. The rest of us seek to repel these invaders, and push them back to the status quo ante bellum Black Friday border. -Trotskylvania
* Silence Is Golden But Duct Tape Is Silver.
* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Second Dimetrodon Empire » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:28 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That will be unfortunate, but we'll win. And the groups resorting to domestic terrorism will quickly lose support of the less extreme elements.


Ah. The collateral damage argument.


It's America.

Unfortunately, what do we expect?
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
That will be unfortunate, but we'll win. And the groups resorting to domestic terrorism will quickly lose support of the less extreme elements.


Ah. The collateral damage argument.


So what's your solution, full autocratic police state?
“Never believe that [fascists] are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The [fascists] have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre

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