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Postby The Wolfist Tribune » Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:34 am

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The Raider and Politics


Throughout the past year, there has been a great deal of commentary on the World Assembly, specifically its belligerent stance on a majority of raider Condemnations, its rubber-stamping of boilerplate Liberations, and, most recently, the very real prospect of preemptive Injunctions. All of these are actions taken to oppose raiders in the World Assembly, and yet they frequently pass with overwhelming support. It’s no secret that prominent raider organizations such as LWU and TBH lack WA infrastructure of any significance - and yet, despite this always having been the case, the aggressive anti-raider stance in the World Assembly was not always so. While Liberations on active, non-problematic regions were usually still passed by a wide margin (and even then there have been instances where they were defeated so long as a justification could be found), Condemnations used to be far more common - if one was proposed, it was usually passed - and Commendations far less untouchable. Even Commend Texas, the replacement of an old Defender region’s commend, was heavily contested by raiders and raider allies. Nowadays, every detagger gets one without a hint of resistance.

One of the main reasons for this paradigm shift in the SC is a rejection of politics and political action by some vocal raiders. This has happened for a variety of reasons; a sentiment that’s been expressed by some is the apparent belief that raiding should be considered an apolitical movement. This is, of course, foolish because raiding does not exist in a vacuum, and that any military action is inherently political even if the motivation behind it is relatively simplistic such as “it’s fun” or “burning this region down would be cool”. These are all fine and good reasons to raid, and inherent to raiding as an ideology, but herein already lies a problem: an ideology and ideological alignment can never be “inherently apolitical”, for if it wasn’t political it would not be an ideological alignment, and pretending that raiders exist in a vacuum is denying reality. This rejection of politics has inspired a certain shortsightedness and impulsiveness in the actions of certain sectors in raiding. These rash actions have, for some, led to the loss of traditional allies and have hampered the ability of all raiders to forge new partnerships with prospective allies.

The absence of raiders as a force to be reckoned with in the political arena has led to the domination of the political game by defenders and defender sympathizers. We saw with TNP’s recent debacle with defenders that defenders aren’t the political masterminds that some thought they were, and in the same move proved all their detractors right: they have not changed from the awful diplomatic partners they were in the past, they have just put on a new mask. This was plain for the entire world to see, and yet Independents did not feel comfortable breaking ties with them. Why is this? It is simply because the extreme actions of certain individuals in raiding have led to the inability to provide a solid alternative to defending. Defenders may not be geniuses, but they’re actually involved in the political arena and if you don’t have any competition, you win by default.

Many of those raiders that disregard politics aren’t necessarily oblivious to the fact that they are losing politically, as it is rather difficult to miss, but instead of recognizing the natural consequences of their own actions and their ability to change this state of affairs at any moment, they blame everyone else around them. Pretending that the World Assembly is a monolithic entity inherently opposed to raiders rather than a political institution largely in the hands of regions that are theoretically open to working with raiders is not just utterly delusional, it is the sort of self-pitying behavior one could see from a native that thinks they cannot possibly be expected to secure their region. Raiders have always had the tools to succeed in the World Assembly and the political playing field within reach, and for well over a decade were indeed succeeding. Liberator forces were smaller due to the absence of Independent powers, World Assembly proposals favorable to raiding passed frequently and Defenders were often isolated. Although certain shifts in attitude could not be helped, shortsightedness and hubris ended up tearing this foundation down.

To be a raider is to inherently seek to challenge the status quo. A core tenet of revolutionary Raiderism, as defined by the Wolfist Manifesto, is to combat the spread of defenderism wherever it can be found, to drive out the rot of their influence. But to challenge the status quo, a view of the battlefield must always be kept in mind. Drive and determination can move mountains - it was a desire for change that eliminated the last vestiges of the dying ADN from the Feeders, and it was determination that caused Lazarus to cast off its Defender shackles. But drive and determination are nothing without a vision and a direction to take it into - when aimless, it is simply juvenile rage.

Raiders should never accept a situation in which they are treated as subordinates or treated with disrespect for no reason, but they should likewise never childishly blind themselves to the consequences of their actions. If the status quo is to be challenged, and if Raiding wishes to achieve the dominance that it is capable of, issues such as hyper-aggressive alienation of prospective partners, petulant and naive rejection of political compromise, and treatment of diplomacy as an extortion scheme must be addressed. In the era of Frontiers, it is more important than ever that raiders connect with natural allies and forge long-lasting partnerships to truly root out Defenderism wherever it may be found.

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Postby Sedgistan » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:26 am

Interesting article - I'm surprised it didn't get more responses. My SC involvement is obviously ancient history now, but in the early years, despite some slam-dunk Liberation votes, there were fairly frequent close battles (e.g. Liberate Free Thought) and defender "losses" (e.g. Repeal Commend 10000 Islands). There was a real feeling amongst defenders that without countering raider debate thread arguments and TG campaigns that the SC could end up toothless - or worse, under raider dominance. The viewpoint was entrenched for a long time amongst players that the SC shouldn't be interfering with gameplay matters, and it was a battle to change that. There's no less number of fluent raiders arguing in the SC days, but their impact on votes is much lessened.

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Postby Castenor » Thu Sep 07, 2023 1:58 pm

The Wolfist Tribune wrote:the very real prospect of preemptive Injunctions [...] actions taken [...] with overwhelming support

I really don't think this is the case. Most attempts are half-assed, and there are two or three people always saying "Eh maybe" but there is a great number of people opposed, not just raiders, I feel. Even well-established WA posters often with no prominent R/D alignment. And given we've never seen one at vote, we really don't know if they'd ever succeed. So I think it's kinda not a very good example, unlike the other ones mentioned (more opposition to raider condemns and more support for defender liberations), which do have the level of support and prominence that is suggested.

Forgive me if I say you, btw, I imagine this was written by Souls, given the use of the term boilerplate (yeah yeah I know), but note that when I speak, I refer to specific ideas, not specific people. That disclaimer aside, I shall continue my comments.

It’s no secret that prominent raider organizations such as LWU and TBH lack WA infrastructure of any significance

I'm not typically one to embolden my ideological enemies, but . . . why not? I may just be too new to the GP scene to understand, but I feel like Raiders can do pretty well for themselves if (a) they mobilize their military forces as a WA force as well (i.e. @piler Go vote for Condemn Chef Big Dog or @wolf Go vote against Repeal Condemn Ever Wandering Souls). Maybe you do that, and maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think maintaining WA infrastructure is inherently difficult for Raiders. When you're not in a hold, you can have a point in your home region vote a certain way, too, to get the delegate advantage. So if my naivety is showing, forgive me, but I think it could be done that way.

All that, of course, is irrelevant to the point being made here, it's just an interesting aside.

These rash actions have, for some, led to the loss of traditional allies and have hampered the ability of all raiders to forge new partnerships with prospective allies.

Out of curiosity, not cheap political points: Examples?

This was plain for the entire world to see, and yet Independents did not feel comfortable breaking ties with them.

I'm sure TCB would be absolutely horrified and outright offended at you saying this, considering every time I mention independents siding with defenders more often than not, they're replying about how wrong I am.

Why is this? It is simply because the extreme actions of certain individuals in raiding have led to the inability to provide a solid alternative to defending.

What? You lost me here. I don't see how raiders letting defenders win in the SC means that raiders have made raiding nonviable.

Defenders may not be geniuses

I am.

Raiders should never accept a situation in which they are treated as subordinates or treated with disrespect for no reason

I feel like all the rhetoric you use to oppose the defenders' actions here is counterproductive to your message of "we should do the same thing they do."

Okay, time for my overall thoughts on the idea here.

I don't approve, but not for the reasons the average Defender might have.

Personally, I feel like this is a "you did it, so that means we should do it too" type situation which feeds into a self-sustaining cycle. If Raiders look at Defender actions and go "they're going about this in a way I don't like", the conclusion shouldn't be "let's do the same thing they're doing". I think that the current prevailing Defender attitude of "no condemnations for raiders" is dumb and wrong. I oppose it on moral ground. I think that, for once, Raiders are in the right here. Of course, leave it to raiders to take a good look at the one moral victory they have and throw it away in favor of petty political play.

I want defender proposals and raider proposals alike to be judged on their merits rather than their politics. Which is to say, don't look at an alignment and say yes or no, in fact, don't look at alignment at all. Look at the content. The deeds. I think the SC should be apolitical. I think the Raiders that believe the same are in the right. The same Raiders you call foolish, delusional, self-pitying, and childish. I think the Defender establishment is in the wrong.

There is a clear double standard here. The solution is not to fight to exercise all your power and influence to make it so the double standard benefits your party and harms your opponent. That's just doing what the Defenders are doing to you, but back at them. It doesn't solve the problem, which is the double standard itself, not who it's targeting.

If we follow the line of thinking in this article, Raiders would do the exact same thing as Defenders. They'd offer blanket opposition to Defender proposals the way Fendas do to them, while rubberstamping Raider proposals. This, I feel, will only enable and retroactively justify Defender opposition of Raider WA proposals. It allows them to say the same thing that you're saying now: "They're doing it, why shouldn't we?"

That's my final thoughts, and thank you to Sedge for posting here to remind me this exists, because I saw it was here earlier but I did not read it lol.

Sedgistan wrote:The viewpoint was entrenched for a long time amongst players that the SC shouldn't be interfering with gameplay matters, and it was a battle to change that.

can we go back to that :(
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:00 pm

I definitely do not author LWU's thinkpieces, sorry.
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Postby Castenor » Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:13 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I definitely do not author LWU's thinkpieces, sorry.

Shame. The joke would be funnier if you did. I guess now it's just... a lame reference. feelsbadman
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:26 pm

Castenor wrote:
The Wolfist Tribune wrote:the very real prospect of preemptive Injunctions [...] actions taken [...] with overwhelming support

I really don't think this is the case. Most attempts are half-assed, and there are two or three people always saying "Eh maybe" but there is a great number of people opposed, not just raiders, I feel. Even well-established WA posters often with no prominent R/D alignment. And given we've never seen one at vote, we really don't know if they'd ever succeed. So I think it's kinda not a very good example, unlike the other ones mentioned (more opposition to raider condemns and more support for defender liberations), which do have the level of support and prominence that is suggested.

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Postby Mechanocracy » Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:45 pm

The Wolfist Tribune wrote:It is simply because the extreme actions of certain individuals in raiding[Who?] have led to the inability to provide a solid alternative to defending.
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Postby The Ambis » Thu Sep 07, 2023 2:48 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
Castenor wrote:I really don't think this is the case. Most attempts are half-assed, and there are two or three people always saying "Eh maybe" but there is a great number of people opposed, not just raiders, I feel. Even well-established WA posters often with no prominent R/D alignment. And given we've never seen one at vote, we really don't know if they'd ever succeed. So I think it's kinda not a very good example, unlike the other ones mentioned (more opposition to raider condemns and more support for defender liberations), which do have the level of support and prominence that is suggested.

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Honestly, I think it was the combined power of having West, and injunctions being so new, that we were on a hype train. I doubt it would pass today.
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:33 pm

Mechanocracy wrote:
The Wolfist Tribune wrote:It is simply because the extreme actions of certain individuals in raiding[Who?] have led to the inability to provide a solid alternative to defending.

Certainly not some of the most prominent figures in raiding in the post 2016 era. Just "certain individuals in raiding".

Say, isn’t LWU piling on a hold alongside BoM, where the point is an SPK-BoM crossmember?
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Postby Eternal Algerstonia » Thu Sep 07, 2023 6:35 pm

RAIDERS IN NAME ONLY!

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Postby Valinka » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:23 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Mechanocracy wrote:

Certainly not some of the most prominent figures in raiding in the post 2016 era. Just "certain individuals in raiding".

Say, isn’t LWU piling on a hold alongside BoM, where the point is an SPK-BoM crossmember?

Do you *seriously* expect LWU to stop participating in ops where BoM is present? Or just wishful thinking?
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Postby Mechanocracy » Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:32 pm

Valinka wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Certainly not some of the most prominent figures in raiding in the post 2016 era. Just "certain individuals in raiding".

Say, isn’t LWU piling on a hold alongside BoM, where the point is an SPK-BoM crossmember?

Do you *seriously* expect LWU to stop participating in ops where BoM is present? Or just wishful thinking?

We're all just asking some questions here I guess :-)
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:29 pm

Valinka wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Certainly not some of the most prominent figures in raiding in the post 2016 era. Just "certain individuals in raiding".

Say, isn’t LWU piling on a hold alongside BoM, where the point is an SPK-BoM crossmember?

Do you *seriously* expect LWU to stop participating in ops where BoM is present? Or just wishful thinking?

No, of course not. I have no expectations of LWU other than for Jo to maintain his duplicity in a more subtle manner, whilst casuals like you run around and cause problems. Thank you for your service, it makes my job easier.

But, you're all invaders at the end of the day. Little else matters. At least to me. So long as near-lockstep coordination continues, it's very naive to think LWU is all that upset about the things others do, as opposed to just sad they can't have their cake and eat it too.
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Postby Valinka » Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:58 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Valinka wrote:Do you *seriously* expect LWU to stop participating in ops where BoM is present? Or just wishful thinking?

No, of course not. I have no expectations of LWU other than for Jo to maintain his duplicity in a more subtle manner, whilst casuals like you run around and cause problems. Thank you for your service, it makes my job easier.

Low-quality bait. Do better. I'll continue casually throwing 60+ pilers at Magna Aurea, and you can continue to professionally watch as libcord's entire jump is banned every update.

But, you're all invaders at the end of the day. Little else matters. At least to me. So long as near-lockstep coordination continues, it's very naive to think LWU is all that upset about the things others do, as opposed to just sad they can't have their cake and eat it too.

It's weird the duality of competing defender narratives I've seen regarding these events. To you guys, it's either a demonstration of how the raider sphere is divided and collapsing, or it's LWU performatively shouting #NotAllRaiders while not actually caring about BoM's antics. I'm not going to pretend I have a particularly large stake in the broader political considerations of inter-raider 'drama', but it's funny to see the doublethink on the other side of the aisle. And LOL @ a libcord commander sneering about 'lockstep coordination'. :p
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:16 pm

Valinka wrote:It's weird the duality of competing defender narratives I've seen regarding these events. To you guys, it's either a demonstration of how the raider sphere is divided and collapsing, or it's LWU performatively shouting #NotAllRaiders while not actually caring about BoM's antics.

It's the latter. Other people, defender or not, can think what they like.

Valinka wrote:And LOL @ a libcord commander sneering about 'lockstep coordination'. :p


Except other Libcord commanders are not complaining about the military activities of other Libcord regions in their propaganda. Besides that, despite our shared operations server, there is more diversity in defender regions' military doctrine than there is in raider regions.
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Postby Valinka » Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:21 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Except other Libcord commanders are not complaining about the military activities of other Libcord regions in their propaganda.

...and this makes Libcord less lockstep how?

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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Sep 07, 2023 9:23 pm

Valinka wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Except other Libcord commanders are not complaining about the military activities of other Libcord regions in their propaganda.

...and this makes Libcord less lockstep how?

Relevance, since we're discussing the sincerity of the Wolfist magazine here. Nice job skipping the core fact of the message though, which is relevant in particular as it relates to anti-BoM action, which defenders actually undertake.
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Postby Shirahime » Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:50 am

Valinka wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:No, of course not. I have no expectations of LWU other than for Jo to maintain his duplicity in a more subtle manner, whilst casuals like you run around and cause problems. Thank you for your service, it makes my job easier.

Low-quality bait. Do better. I'll continue casually throwing 60+ pilers at Magna Aurea, and you can continue to professionally watch as libcord's entire jump is banned every update.


Hi, I was at last Major update, and this is just false, quite a few of us weren't banned till after update, so I do urge you to fact check yourself.
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Postby Castenor » Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:56 am

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Whoopsies, thanks for pointing that out. I stand corrected. Part of me wants to agree with Ambis just so my point stands, tho :p
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Postby Valinka » Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:42 am

Shirahime wrote:
Valinka wrote:Low-quality bait. Do better. I'll continue casually throwing 60+ pilers at Magna Aurea, and you can continue to professionally watch as libcord's entire jump is banned every update.


Hi, I was at last Major update, and this is just false, quite a few of us weren't banned till after update, so I do urge you to fact check yourself.

I posted that before Major. :p

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Postby Island of Polne » Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:12 am

I know defenders are supposed to hate raiders and all but expecting LWU to not pile on a raid because BoM is present is a whole new level of delusion.

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Postby The Wolfist Tribune » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:20 am

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The Wolfist Tribune's War Counter


Trying times have hit NationStates, as over the course of the past few weeks various notable regions have moved for war against a variety of raider and raider-leaning regions, for an equally diverse number of reasons. While it may be difficult to keep track of who is at war with who and why, the dutiful journalists at the Wolfist Tribune have been keeping score. In this special edition, the Wolfist Tribune will be keeping a War Counter, giving a handy explanation of who is fighting who, and why they are doing so.

In a respectable third place are the Black Hawks, with one war currently ongoing. In 2022, the League declared war upon the Black Hawks and the other participants in the TBH-led raid of Warzone Sandbox (specifically Lone Wolves United, the Brotherhood of Malice and Osiris). Yes, raiding the region designed to be raided was infringing upon the regional sovereignty of said region designed to be raiding, and so the League declared its righteous crusade roughly one and a half years ago. So far, it does not seem like the League is any closer to its stated goal of TBH's "ultimate destruction" as the Black Hawks celebrated its 18th birthday this year. When asked, Hawk Commanders reportedly hadn’t thought about the war at all. With one currently active* war ongoing, the Black Hawks are currently at third place in the number of total wars.

In second place, we find ourselves with a tie. In addition to the aforementioned war with the League, Osiris currently faces a war with Balder, apparently not so much for doing anything recently but rather for being around. This isn't the first time Osiris has been at war with a fellow Sinker (under the first iteration of the Osiris Fraternal Order, there was an ill-fated one with Lazarus), but it's the first time Balder has been at war with, as far as we can tell, anyone. Osiris' current war counter stands at 2, a count they share with the Communist Bloc, which is the first and only region on this list not to be at war with the League as far as we're aware, though one might be forgiven for thinking otherwise. Instead, the Communist Bloc is presently the subject of the North Pacific's declaration of war for tipping Pallaith into the Delegacy to disrupt the government of then-Elected Delegate Chipoli. Europeia also declared war upon the Communist Bloc, but supposedly over its antagonism of "[Europeia] and likeminded regions", with no mention of a specific incident that triggered it. As an extension of this conflict, the League (again, not actually at war with the Communist Bloc), the North Pacific and Europeia invaded Solidarity, an NSLeft Frontier, making this also the only of the conflicts to have seen direct action so far (unless we're counting occupations of uninvolved regions led by the League's foes, which would be about 80% of all major raids in the past two-ish years).

Finally, we come to first place, which is another tie. The first place is shared between The Brotherhood of Malice and Lone Wolves United, with four current wars each. The Brotherhood of Malice is currently subject to war declarations from the North Pacific, Europeia and Balder for their antagonism towards the North Pacific, notably including participating in the aforementioned TCB-led deltip, which was the directly stated trigger for the wars declared by the North Pacific and Balder. The war with the League, which we must admit we’d already forgotten was ongoing before deciding to write this issue (and we suspect, so did almost all of the involved parties), was declared last year over raiding Warzone Sandbox and, much like the TBH example mentioned above, does not seem to be moving.

Tied with Malice is Lone Wolves United, presently subject to four war declarations from 10000 Islands, the League, Europeia and Balder, supposedly all for participating in an attempted quorum raid involving 10000 Islands’ as-of-yet unsuccessful Frontier project. For those who joined after 2019, this has undoubtedly brought back some nostalgic memories on both sides: Lone Wolves United and 10000 Islands went to war in 2010, until 10000 Islands repealed its declaration of war, evidently not having achieved their war goal of ending Lone Wolves United. Similarly, though less notably, the League declared war upon Lone Wolves United in 2022 over the raid of Warzone Sandbox before repealing its declaration of war a few months down the line, having accomplished nothing of note. Joining them for this second round are Europeia, declaring war apparently over the aforementioned quorum raid, and Balder, doing the same but with slightly more enthusiasm (at least they released a dispatch).

To recap, for those of you who can't read (raiders) or chose to tune out and stop reading when you saw the post mentioned aggression against the North Pacific (Defender officials), here is a lazy graphic for who is at war with who:

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And the final counter:
TBH: 1
Osiris: 2
TCB: 2
LWU: 4
BoM: 4


*The Wolfist Tribune retains an optimistic outlook upon such terms.
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Reventus Koth
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Reventus Koth » Mon Oct 09, 2023 11:37 am

This post is how I learned that Balder was involved in this at all. Had to ask around to find their announcement on the matter.

There's one question lingering on everyone's mind, though. Where does Algerheaven stand on all of this??
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Corporate Police State

Postby Texico » Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:31 pm

So basically, all of defenderdom is at war with all of raiderdom. Now, it seems to me, defenders being militarily opposed to raiders was already the status quo. Begging the questions of what, if anything, these declarations of war have even changed.
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Ex-Nation

Postby Hulldom » Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:03 pm

Texico wrote:So basically, all of defenderdom is at war with all of raiderdom. Now, it seems to me, defenders being militarily opposed to raiders was already the status quo. Begging the questions of what, if anything, these declarations of war have even changed.

I don't think it really changed anything for like XKI, TL+C, etc., though they can certainly feel free to correct me if these have changed government policy in any way. It's certainly a really rare event for TNP to be at war with...anyone though. It's been at least since the start of my time on the game that it's happened.
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