[DEFEATED] Liberate Monarchist Bloc

[Rusticus I Damianus]

So you admit to having attacked their region.

Yes, but not specifically because it was "bigoted" or "fascist" as you insinuated.

You attacked it to force your will apon them, disregarded their sovereignty as a seperate state, and if you had been able to fully take it over you would've started throwing those words around as your excuses as to why you raided it, like you do with the other regions you raid in order to force your will apon them as well.

[Merulla]

I find everything that has been happening here at NationStates deeply saddened. Regions being invaded and not having their autonomy or sovereignty allowed because other groups feel entitled to suppress others.

Too bad so many people are accepting this, and will continue to accept it, until it's too late. Until they're the chosen ones to be suppressed.

But I will withdraw from this discussion because it is useless. One day NationStates will be unplayable for a lot of people, then maybe moderation will do something about these raids and invasions.

[Parmistan]

No, translation "they had normalized diplomatic relations with bigoted regions and openly espoused bigoted beliefs within their own region." You can't just make things up and pretend that we're not making specific and actionable accusations here. Sources were cited throughout the thread, your unwillingness to read them doesn't preclude their existence.

Can you not see the blatant hypocrisy in what you said?

You call regions like mine "bigots" when I allow pretty much anyone to join even if I don't agree with their views, while you go around crushing anyone that doesn't bow down follow your trash ideology to the letter. If there are bigots on the site, I assure you that they aren't us.

You're a bigot, you defend bigots, you permit bigots to occupy your region, and you espouse bigoted ideas. The fact you don't automatically ban people who disagree with you doesn't change the fact that you deliberately support the strengthening of spaces where bigots can feel welcome and safe in their bigotry. I don't care why you think you're doing it, bigots don't deserve to be here.

[Improper Classifications]

Yes, but not specifically because it was "bigoted" or "fascist" as you insinuated.

You attacked it to force your will apon them, disregarded their sovereignty as a seperate state, and if you had been able to fully take it over you would've started throwing those words around as your excuses as to why you raided it, like you do with the other regions you raid in order to force your will apon them as well.

Rusty, in case it wasn't clear, I'm not a part of TCB. While I am a member of a treatied ally, I have no personal obligation to be defending them. Less than a week ago I was piling on a perfectly utopian region because I felt like it and because it was a free raid point. No ideological conflict there.
But anyway...wait

and if you had been able to fully take it over

sighs
For the third goddamn time, it was a quorum raid. That wasn't the point. The point was surface level.

then maybe moderation will do something about these raids and invasions.

Claim your "I was here before the mods came in and said they won't do anything about it" commemorative bookmark right now.

[Angeloid Astraea]

Yes, but not specifically because it was "bigoted" or "fascist" as you insinuated.

You attacked it to force your will apon them, disregarded their sovereignty as a seperate state, and if you had been able to fully take it over you would've started throwing those words around as your excuses as to why you raided it, like you do with the other regions you raid in order to force your will apon them as well.

Rusticus, I was part of the attack and I'm not a member of the PRAF. I'm just a raider and I attack regions for entertainment. You're letting your anti-communist attitude lead you down a path of conspiratorial paranoia here. It's kinda fun to watch you do this, as someone who knows the way the game works and how it wasn't possible to "fully take over" Merulia's region.

I find everything that has been happening here at NationStates deeply saddened. Regions being invaded and not having their autonomy or sovereignty allowed because other groups feel entitled to suppress others.

Too bad so many people are accepting this, and will continue to accept it, until it's too late. Until they're the chosen ones to be suppressed.

But I will withdraw from this discussion because it is useless. One day NationStates will be unplayable for a lot of people, then maybe moderation will do something about these raids and invasions.

You're saying the NS staff should do something to protect you from raids while I'm literally unable to destroy your region because of features that the NS staff have put into the game to protect you. This is hilarious!

[Merulla]

You're saying the NS staff should do something to protect you from raids while I'm literally unable to destroy your region because of features that the NS staff have put into the game to protect you. This is hilarious!

I'm not even talking about my region anymore, man... I'm talking in general, about regions like the Monarchist Bloc or any other that tries to stand out but doesn't bend to other powers.
I am not opposed to overthrowing admittedly fascist or Nazi regions, I think that the NS moderation itself should do this, including. But how is it being done?
"Oh, it's because you have an embassy with a region that may be fascist"
"Ah, because in fact, you have positions that I consider bigoted"

For God's sake, right? Let other people play in peace guys...

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Can you not see the blatant hypocrisy in what you said?

You call regions like mine "bigots" when I allow pretty much anyone to join even if I don't agree with their views, while you go around crushing anyone that doesn't bow down follow your trash ideology to the letter. If there are bigots on the site, I assure you that they aren't us.

You're a bigot, you defend bigots, you permit bigots to occupy your region, and you espouse bigoted ideas. The fact you don't automatically ban people who disagree with you doesn't change the fact that you deliberately support the strengthening of spaces where bigots can feel welcome and safe in their bigotry. I don't care why you think you're doing it, bigots don't deserve to be here.

So it's bigotry when I respect people's right to have their own opinions, but not bigotry when you say that everyone who doesn't think like you should be banned or silence? What you are advocating for IS bigorty, as well as a hypocrisy, and is overall stupid.

[Parmistan]

You're a bigot, you defend bigots, you permit bigots to occupy your region, and you espouse bigoted ideas. The fact you don't automatically ban people who disagree with you doesn't change the fact that you deliberately support the strengthening of spaces where bigots can feel welcome and safe in their bigotry. I don't care why you think you're doing it, bigots don't deserve to be here.

So it's bigotry when I respect people's right to have their own opinions, but not bigotry when you say that everyone who doesn't think like you should be banned or silence? That's hypocrisy and stupid.

When those opinions are that queer people are degenerate or that White Genocide is a real thing, yes. Respecting those opinions is bigotry, and regions where those opinions aren't silenced deserve to be raided. I'm glad you understand that now. Perhaps we can all move on with our lives.

[Refuge Isle]

More telegram "junk mail" has arrived to clarify that, once again, Monarchist Bloc does not understand that a liberation removes a password to a region (which does not help them). It does not magically hand control over to the author of a liberation resolution.

Total amount of money wasted by Monarchist Bloc so far: $42USD

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

The fact that people are voting against the monarchist bloc, which was hacked and destroyed, saddens me.

[Ostrovskiy]

The fact that people are voting against the monarchist bloc, which was hacked and destroyed, saddens me.

What

[Gaybeans]

More telegram "junk mail" has arrived to clarify that, once again, Monarchist Bloc does not understand that a liberation removes a password to a region (which does not help them). It does not magically hand control over to the author of a liberation resolution.

Total amount of money wasted by Monarchist Bloc so far: $42USD

Hold up, people are spending actual money to mass send those??

[Big Boys Ville]

More telegram "junk mail" has arrived to clarify that, once again, Monarchist Bloc does not understand that a liberation removes a password to a region (which does not help them). It does not magically hand control over to the author of a liberation resolution.

Total amount of money wasted by Monarchist Bloc so far: $42USD

Hold up, people are spending actual money to mass send those??

Yes someone just spent money to mass TG the entire WA

Also against due to this line in the mass TG: Liberation is supposed to exist to help people, not to punish those you do not like.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

The fact that people are voting against the monarchist bloc, which was hacked and destroyed, saddens me.

What

Yep, Communsit Bloc hacked and sieved Monarchist bloc. And yet people are siding with communist bloc. Why did communist bloc raid monarchist? Becuase they thought they were fascists, which they were not.

[Magecastle Embassy Building A5]

For posterity, the telegram, addressed to simply tag:wa and sent by The Society for Black Sheep today at 10:01:44 PM UTC reads as follows,

Be fair and free the Monarchist Bloc!

I see no reason why you would not vote to Liberate the Monarchist Bloc; it is a region that was stolen by foreign invaders and password locked. Liberation is supposed to exist to help people, not to punish those you do not like. That is what a Condemnation is for.

By voting against the Liberation, you are proving to lack any ethics and are just proving that the WA is a tool to control the wider NS community and not help it.

Don't be a smelly hater, and vote based on the contents of the Liberation and not your personal desire to ruin other people's fun on NS.

[Ostrovskiy]

More telegram "junk mail" has arrived to clarify that, once again, Monarchist Bloc does not understand that a liberation removes a password to a region (which does not help them). It does not magically hand control over to the author of a liberation resolution.

Total amount of money wasted by Monarchist Bloc so far: $42USD

Hold up, people are spending actual money to mass send those??

Yes! The quickest way to send mass TG's are stamps, and they were used because everyone got it at once. Stamps cost $1 per 1000 stamps, and each stamp sends a TG to one nation.

[The Ambis]

Someone please tell these poor poor players that the liberation only works against delegate imposed passwords.

[Ostrovskiy]

Someone please tell these poor poor players that the liberation only works against delegate imposed passwords.

But the TG's are funny!

[Ostrovskiy]

What

Yep, Communsit Bloc hacked and sieved Monarchist bloc. And yet people are siding with communist bloc. Why did communist bloc raid monarchist? Becuase they thought they were fascists, which they were not.

They did not hack. They raided. No matter how much I dislike raiding (fashies don't count), it's a legitimate system.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Yep, Communsit Bloc hacked and sieved Monarchist bloc. And yet people are siding with communist bloc. Why did communist bloc raid monarchist? Becuase they thought they were fascists, which they were not.

They did not hack. They raided. No matter how much I dislike raiding (fashies don't count), it's a legitimate system.

Raiding should be banned

[Galeteri]

They did not hack. They raided. No matter how much I dislike raiding (fashies don't count), it's a legitimate system.

Raiding should be banned

We're not about to ban an entire mechanic just because you dislike it brodie, sorry.

[Notanam]

Raiding should be banned

There are legitimate steps to ward off raiders and prevent your region from being raided, none of which Monarchist Bloc took. Raiding has been intertwined with regional gameplay on this site for almost as long as this site has existed, and the recent Frontiers update has only solidified this. Raiding has been, and will always be, legal, in one form or another.

[Barbariax]

People take this way too seriously. Anyone spending a lot of time here needs to find something better to do, myself included.

[Improper Classifications]

People take this way too seriously. Anyone spending a lot of time here needs to find something better to do, myself included.

Most based statement in the entire thread

[TheKeyToJoy]

People take this way too seriously. Anyone spending a lot of time here needs to find something better to do, myself included.

Actually pretty base though.