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by Conservative Alliances » Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:57 pm
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by Trotskylvania » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:10 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by New Manvir » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:24 pm
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:26 pm
Servantium wrote:Maurepas wrote:I call bullshit on that. Andrew Carnegie received no help from the US Government, in fact, said government went so far as to bring an Anti-Trust suit against him.
I didn't say they helped him directly. I said that his monopoly is a direct result of interventionism.
I'm currently searching for literature to substantiate this claim, but I'm working with dial-up internet, so things are slow.
by Trotskylvania » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:31 pm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Ultra - The Left Wing of the Impossible
Putting the '-sadism' in PosadismKarl Marx, Wage Labour and Capital
Anton Pannekoek, World Revolution and Communist Tactics
Amadeo Bordiga, Dialogue With Stalin
Nikolai Bukharin, The ABC of Communism
Gilles Dauvé, When Insurrections Die"The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."- Bordiga
by Mike the Progressive » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:44 pm
by Faith Hope Charity » Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:47 pm
by Our Lady Skye Sweetnam » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:09 pm
by Concordeia » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:12 pm
Servantium wrote:Servantium wrote:I didn't say they helped him directly. I said that his monopoly is a direct result of interventionism.
I'm currently searching for literature to substantiate this claim, but I'm working with dial-up internet, so things are slow.
Ya hah, found some. This relates to Andrew Carnegie because his product (steel) was used in the production of all of these subsidized industries such as the railways and steamboats. Couple that with the high tariffs that all but eliminated international competition and you've got a monopoly that is anything but natural.
Falkasia wrote:Concordeia wrote:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block missile spam! And I'm freakin early PMT! :mad: :(
I gotta say it. First time I read through this, I could have sworn it said something like this:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block spam missiles!
I was like, "Who the hell are you fighting... or more importantly, was your lunch meat laced?"
by JJ Place » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:17 pm
Auremena wrote:Not just my needs, but what about others? I care about other people. I don't want them out in the street. I could care less right now, I'd prefer to be out on the street. I'd be no better off there than I am right now.JJ Place wrote:Even though you still have less than you would if you lived in a society mainly of Capitalism?
If an economic system meets all of your needs, It's still abject poverty compared to a society in which an economic system can allow you to meet many of your wants as well ; and Capitalism does just that for individuals.
Also, it's an incredibly high degree of poverty if a person ' s needs are not met, something Socialism periodically has trouble with.
by Genivar » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:31 pm
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:40 pm
Concordeia wrote:Servantium wrote:Ya hah, found some. This relates to Andrew Carnegie because his product (steel) was used in the production of all of these subsidized industries such as the railways and steamboats. Couple that with the high tariffs that all but eliminated international competition and you've got a monopoly that is anything but natural.
The US government subsidizing the creation of railroads, steamboats, and other infrastructure has nothing to do with U.S. Steel gaining control over most of the market. They just happened to be the largest manufacturer of steel in the country, so the government contracted them to work on these projects.
And how exactly did the government prevent domestic competition between different steel companies?
by Mike the Progressive » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:41 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:42 pm
by FREEaquaticdancelesson » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:43 pm
by Genivar » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:43 pm
by Mike the Progressive » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:44 pm
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:44 pm
FREEaquaticdancelesson wrote:give people too much and they try and take over.
by Genivar » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:46 pm
by Concordeia » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:47 pm
Servantium wrote:Concordeia wrote:The US government subsidizing the creation of railroads, steamboats, and other infrastructure has nothing to do with U.S. Steel gaining control over most of the market. They just happened to be the largest manufacturer of steel in the country, so the government contracted them to work on these projects.
And how exactly did the government prevent domestic competition between different steel companies?
Didn't prevent it per se, but you should refer to the large portions of your quoted post.
Falkasia wrote:Concordeia wrote:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block missile spam! And I'm freakin early PMT! :mad: :(
I gotta say it. First time I read through this, I could have sworn it said something like this:Dammit, and I got accused of tech-wanking for using megawatt-scale free electron laser CIWS on my (nuclear powered) vessels to block spam missiles!
I was like, "Who the hell are you fighting... or more importantly, was your lunch meat laced?"
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:49 pm
by Mike the Progressive » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:51 pm
by Servantium » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:58 pm
It was US Steel that bought out the rest of the competition, not the government.
by Genivar » Wed Dec 08, 2010 9:00 pm
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