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Initial Thoughts on Discovery

Love it
61
14%
Like it
99
23%
So-so
124
29%
Dislike it
47
11%
Hate it
92
22%
 
Total votes : 423
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 21, 2023 6:12 am

Bralia wrote:Today I finished a grand rewatch of the greats. TNG, DS9, and Voyager, all together, in a row. I've been consistently watching since last year, it's been so long that my memory of exactly when I started is a mere blur at best. This has been one epic journey and I'm sad that it's all coming to an end.

. . . or is it? *eyes a recently acquired Blu-Ray set of Enterprise*

You haven't quite gotten from there to here yet.
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 21, 2023 7:20 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Bralia wrote:Today I finished a grand rewatch of the greats. TNG, DS9, and Voyager, all together, in a row. I've been consistently watching since last year, it's been so long that my memory of exactly when I started is a mere blur at best. This has been one epic journey and I'm sad that it's all coming to an end.

. . . or is it? *eyes a recently acquired Blu-Ray set of Enterprise*

You haven't quite gotten from there to here yet.

???
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 21, 2023 7:26 am

Bralia wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:You haven't quite gotten from there to here yet.

???


You'll understand once you've watched a few episodes
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Postby Bralia » Sun May 21, 2023 8:11 am

Tarsonis wrote:
Bralia wrote:???


You'll understand once you've watched a few episodes

Wait, is it a reference to the theme song? Because I'm definitely going to be skipping over that entirely every single time, I won't be revisiting that for old times' sake at all. Of all the things I remember most vividly it's how bad that intro is.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 21, 2023 8:19 am

Bralia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You'll understand once you've watched a few episodes

Wait, is it a reference to the theme song? Because I'm definitely going to be skipping over that entirely every single time, I won't be revisiting that for old times' sake at all. Of all the things I remember most vividly it's how bad that intro is.


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Postby Tarsonis » Sun May 21, 2023 8:23 am

Bralia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You'll understand once you've watched a few episodes

Wait, is it a reference to the theme song? Because I'm definitely going to be skipping over that entirely every single time, I won't be revisiting that for old times' sake at all. Of all the things I remember most vividly it's how bad that intro is.


you need to listen to uncle Quark.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sun May 21, 2023 12:54 pm

Bralia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You'll understand once you've watched a few episodes

Wait, is it a reference to the theme song? Because I'm definitely going to be skipping over that entirely every single time, I won't be revisiting that for old times' sake at all. Of all the things I remember most vividly it's how bad that intro is.

Instrumental isn't too bad.

There's also the alternate intro.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 24, 2023 9:28 am

SNW Season 2 trailer. cannot fucking wait


https://youtu.be/69mzZqcM0qw
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Wed May 24, 2023 11:08 am

Tarsonis wrote:SNW Season 2 trailer. cannot fucking wait


https://youtu.be/69mzZqcM0qw

Pretty well put together trailer.

Kelvin trope with that shuttle, more Gorn, Rigel VII looks pretty much the same, live action LDS looks good, generally does a decent job of showing off snippets which look interesting.

It would've been nice if SNW was a 25th century show instead of another 23rd century in-between-quel, but I can't deny that I do generally enjoy it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 24, 2023 12:58 pm

Bralia wrote:Today I finished a grand rewatch of the greats. TNG, DS9, and Voyager, all together, in a row. I've been consistently watching since last year, it's been so long that my memory of exactly when I started is a mere blur at best. This has been one epic journey and I'm sad that it's all coming to an end.

. . . or is it? *eyes a recently acquired Blu-Ray set of Enterprise*


Oh Enterprise……prepare yourself for the ending. To put it nicely; it sucks.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed May 24, 2023 12:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:SNW Season 2 trailer. cannot fucking wait


https://youtu.be/69mzZqcM0qw



I have to admit; it grew on me. I tried watching it and was meh. Watched discovery and then found it made sense to me the next time I tried it.
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Postby Imperial isa » Wed May 24, 2023 2:35 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bralia wrote:Today I finished a grand rewatch of the greats. TNG, DS9, and Voyager, all together, in a row. I've been consistently watching since last year, it's been so long that my memory of exactly when I started is a mere blur at best. This has been one epic journey and I'm sad that it's all coming to an end.

. . . or is it? *eyes a recently acquired Blu-Ray set of Enterprise*


Oh Enterprise……prepare yourself for the ending. To put it nicely; it sucks.

Yes yes it dose.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed May 24, 2023 2:46 pm

Imperial isa wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Oh Enterprise……prepare yourself for the ending. To put it nicely; it sucks.

Yes yes it dose.


The Pegasus was really weighing on Rikers mind. I've seen weight flux from stress, but dang son, gaining and losing 40 pounds over a few days is rough.
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Postby Ameriganastan » Wed May 24, 2023 3:56 pm

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Imperial isa wrote:Yes yes it dose.


The Pegasus was really weighing on Rikers mind. I've seen weight flux from stress, but dang son, gaining and losing 40 pounds over a few days is rough.

To quote the TvTropes page on that episode:
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Postby Bralia » Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:31 am

Okay, my brief break from Star Trek is over and I've officially started watching Enterprise, essentially for the first time ever. I remember its plotlines and a few big moments, but episode by episode is truly going to feel like watching for the first time. Unlike every other series, I have literally never seen an episode of Enterprise beyond when it aired. I also don't think I ever finished watching the series, so that's going to be an interesting experience for sure, knowing the reputation of the final episode.

And I have to IMMEDIATELY point out how fucking bad censorship on TV is. Those were the most blatant nipples I've ever seen on television. Good god in heaven, T'Pol could have been fully naked and it wouldn't have made a difference.

EDIT: Now Archer's dick and balls are hanging out!? What is happening in this show!?!?!?
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:09 am

Bralia wrote:Okay, my brief break from Star Trek is over and I've officially started watching Enterprise, essentially for the first time ever. I remember its plotlines and a few big moments, but episode by episode is truly going to feel like watching for the first time. Unlike every other series, I have literally never seen an episode of Enterprise beyond when it aired. I also don't think I ever finished watching the series, so that's going to be an interesting experience for sure, knowing the reputation of the final episode.

And I have to IMMEDIATELY point out how fucking bad censorship on TV is. Those were the most blatant nipples I've ever seen on television. Good god in heaven, T'Pol could have been fully naked and it wouldn't have made a difference.

EDIT: Now Archer's dick and balls are hanging out!? What is happening in this show!?!?!?

You're in for a recurring theme of annoying immaturity. Happily, it usually stays on the sidelines and mostly goes away in the fourth season.

But other than that, a certain cold war, and some stale episode plots, I think ENT is a fairly okay show. Solidly in the middle at worst.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:34 am

Bralia wrote:Okay, my brief break from Star Trek is over and I've officially started watching Enterprise, essentially for the first time ever. I remember its plotlines and a few big moments, but episode by episode is truly going to feel like watching for the first time. Unlike every other series, I have literally never seen an episode of Enterprise beyond when it aired. I also don't think I ever finished watching the series, so that's going to be an interesting experience for sure, knowing the reputation of the final episode.

And I have to IMMEDIATELY point out how fucking bad censorship on TV is. Those were the most blatant nipples I've ever seen on television. Good god in heaven, T'Pol could have been fully naked and it wouldn't have made a difference.

EDIT: Now Archer's dick and balls are hanging out!? What is happening in this show!?!?!?

Could be worse, I've seen a local PBS station blur a nude painting (pretty sure it was a Goya even...) in the background of a scene in Inspector Morse, but then let actual topless scenes in Sharpe air completely uncensored...
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:32 am

Fuck yeah SNW is back and hitting the ground running.

Oh look, real Klingons, not whatever the Abrams fuck we got in Disco. Well done.

They're playing a little loose with the canon lore here, I'm guessing the Gorn war won't actually happen, but Arena was supposed to be the official first contact with Gorn. If they have a war, beforehand that would complicate things.

Also, Carol Kane as the wacky centuries old chief engineer? Yes please.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:27 pm

Famous last words indeed, Mr. Spock.

Mbenga's space PCP seems like the shit.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:29 pm

Tarsonis wrote:Fuck yeah SNW is back and hitting the ground running.

Oh look, real Klingons, not whatever the Abrams fuck we got in Disco. Well done.

They're playing a little loose with the canon lore here, I'm guessing the Gorn war won't actually happen, but Arena was supposed to be the official first contact with Gorn. If they have a war, beforehand that would complicate things.

Also, Carol Kane as the wacky centuries old chief engineer? Yes please.

Pretty solid opening for sure.
Makes sense they went with an action and adventure kind of plot for the opening, and I’m guessing the courtroom drama is next week.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:41 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:Fuck yeah SNW is back and hitting the ground running.

Oh look, real Klingons, not whatever the Abrams fuck we got in Disco. Well done.

They're playing a little loose with the canon lore here, I'm guessing the Gorn war won't actually happen, but Arena was supposed to be the official first contact with Gorn. If they have a war, beforehand that would complicate things.

Also, Carol Kane as the wacky centuries old chief engineer? Yes please.

Pretty solid opening for sure.
Makes sense they went with an action and adventure kind of plot for the opening, and I’m guessing the courtroom drama is next week.


with the pronoun game they were playing, I predict the Pike is on his way to see Areel Shaw
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:25 pm

Strange New Worlds really is just damn good Trek.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:54 pm

Ifreann wrote:Strange New Worlds really is just damn good Trek.


And it's technically season 3, so we're into the good stuff now
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