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[PASSED] Standards For International Freight

Postby Ostrovskiy » Mon May 08, 2023 2:03 pm

Edit July 8: This is submitted, please approve here: https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1688832286

4 days prior
Alga Veshnikova woke up unexpectedly. "Where- where am I? This doesn't look like the Three-Walled Bar!" She looked up and around the vast, loud room she was in, and her eyes stumbled across an inconspicuous plaque. The Stranger's Bar, it proclaimed. "Oh, for the love of God. I'm in the wrong building! What am I doing here? I have representatives to convince!" Reluctantly sitting up, Alga ordered a cup of coffee. Hey, you've always been curious about the GA! Now's your chance!, she thought to herself, and decided that, maybe, she could stay a little while. After finishing the cup, she walked to the room of the Ostrovskian delegation, which had (as far as she could recall), never been used, and started writing.

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The World Assembly,

Noting the importance of international freight in enabling the rapid and convenient transportation of goods across borders,

Believing that duplicative and unnecessary national-scale laws can increase costs, deter transportation and harm the freight industry and consumers alike, and

Seeking to cut down on such laws through effective international regulation,

Hereby, subject to relevant past World Assembly legislation still in force:
  1. defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. "operators" as commercial entities which specialize in the movement of goods,
    2. "freight" as the movement of goods by operators from one World Assembly member state to another, and
    3. "cargo" as those goods moved in freight,
  2. requires that operators:
    1. exercize due diligence when transporting cargo, including by ensuring that such cargo does not harm others or their property,
    2. provide the most truthful and accurate information about the services they offer and the cargo they are transporting on that occasion (including the weight and dimensions of that cargo) to the shipper and the recipient of that cargo, and
    3. carefully handle and transport cargo which is dangerous, fragile, hazardous or perishable, and requires the International Transport Safety Committee to design symbols to indicate such cargo which must be used by operators to the maximal extent allowed by prior and standing WA law,
  3. requires member states to authorise civil suits against operators when they lose or damage cargo, and that compensatory damages must be provided to the plaintiff if the operator acted as a proximate cause to the loss or damage, so long as such loss and damage could have been prevented without jeopardizing or actually harming the safety of any sapient being, and
  4. encourages the adoption of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as techniques to reduce empty runs and other causes of delays, by operators.


Coauthors: CSB PM Union, Millenhaal, Tinhampton

The World Assembly,

Noting the importance of international freight in enabling the rapid and convenient transportation of goods across borders,

Believing that duplicative and unnecessary national-scale laws can increase costs, deter transportation and harm the freight industry and consumers alike, and

Seeking to cut down on such laws through effective international regulation,

Hereby:
  1. defines, for the purposes of this resolution:
    1. "operators" as commercial entities which specialise in the movement of goods,
    2. "freight" as the movement of goods by operators from one World Assembly member state to another, and
    3. "cargo" as those goods moved in freight,
  2. requires that operators:
    1. exercise due diligence when transporting cargo, including by ensuring that such cargo does not harm others or their property,
    2. provide the most truthful and accurate information about the services they offer and the cargo they are transporting on that occasion (including, where legally possible, the weight and dimensions of that cargo) to the shipper and the recipient of that cargo, and
    3. carefully handle and transport cargo which is dangerous, fragile, hazardous or perishable, and requires the International Transport Safety Committee to design symbols to indicate such cargo which must be used by operators to the maximal extent allowed by prior and standing WA law,
  3. requires member states to authorise civil suits against operators when they lose or damage cargo, so long as such loss and damage could have been prevented without causing the loss or damage of other items, cost the operator more than twice that cargo's value, or jeopardised or actually harmed the safety of any sapient being, and
  4. encourages the adoption of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as techniques to reduce empty runs and other causes of delays, by operators.


Coauthors: CSB PM Union, Millenhaal, Tinhampton


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines, for the purposes of this resolution: “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by land which crosses the border of at least one World Assembly member state,
  • Encourages the optimisation of freight transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the freight transport of goods via civil suits when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others,
  • Obligates that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services during freight transport,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Establishes the Organization of International Symbols (OIS), to settle on the previously mentioned multinationally standardized symbols, as well as to decide in what situations they should be used,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods during freight transport, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


Coauthors: CSB PM Union, Millenhaal


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines, for the purposes of this resolution: “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by land which crosses the border of at least one World Assembly member state,
  • Encourages the optimisation of freight transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the freight transport of goods via civil suits when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others,
  • Obligates that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services during freight transport,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods during freight transport, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines, for the purposes of this resolution: “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by land which crosses the border of at least one World Assembly member state,
  • Encourages the optimisation of freight transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the freight transport of goods when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services during freight transport,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines, for the purposes of this resolution: “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by land which crosses the border of at least one World Assembly member state,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the transport of goods when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by the methods of transport of rail and road,
    2. “Personnel” as individuals involved in the movement of goods by the above methods of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the transport of goods when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
    2. “Personnel” as individuals involved in the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss or damage in the transport of goods when the above was preventable without causing other loss or damage, costing the carrier more than twice the worth of the package, or jeopardising the safety of any natural person,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
    2. “Personnel” as individuals involved in the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss, damage or delay in the transport of goods when the actions to avoid the above would have been reasonable,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


Standards for International Freight
Category: Regulation Area of Effect: Transportation


Coauthors: CSB PM Union, Millenhaal

The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,

Hereby:

  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
    2. “Personnel” as individuals involved in the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss, damage or delay in the transport of goods when the actions to avoid the above would have been reasonable,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics, when it does not pertain to confidential information of one or more of the member states where the freight transport will occur,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains.


Standards for International Freight
Category: Regulation Area of Effect: Transportation

The World Assembly,

Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Noting that the diversity of national standards and regulations, that are related to freight, can create barriers to trade, and increase costs for businesses,


Hereby:

  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
    2. “Personnel” as individuals involved in the carriage of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,
  • Encourages the optimisation of transport operations and logistics, by the use of intermodal and multimodal transport, as well as the reduction of empty runs and waiting times.
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss, damage or delay in the transport of goods,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and provide accurate and up-to-date information to shippers and the recipient,
  • Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and measurements, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics,
  • Requires that utmost care be taken with the handling and transport of dangerous, fragile, perishable, or other such goods, which must be labeled as such and treated as their description pertains,
  • Enforces that all drivers and operators of freight transport vehicles must be of legal age and have the license to operate said vehicles in the nations which the freight transport will occur in to continue to engage in international freight.
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Coauthors: CSB PM Union, Millenhaal
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Sun May 14, 2023 2:07 pm

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon May 15, 2023 12:03 am

Ostrovskiy wrote:
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss, damage or delay in the transport of goods,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and provide accurate and up-to-date information to shippers and the recipient,

"How far does this carrier liability extend? There are plenty of edge cases that carriers can't possibly take action to avoid apart from never carrying anything. Another concern here is that this is not limited to international freight; these sections apply to all transport of goods by all modes, foreign and domestic."
Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and measurements, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics,

"Military resources, including state secrets, are routinely transported by train. 'Complete transparency about what is being transported' is an unconscionable security hazard."
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Postby The Ice States » Mon May 15, 2023 6:02 pm

"We, of course, welcome the Ostrovskian mission to the snakepit. This is well-written for a first draft, but still needs work on it before it is submitted. We find ourselves largely agreeing with the Wallenburgian mission, and also have our own feedback on this draft."

Ostrovskiy wrote:provide accurate and up-to-date information to shippers and the recipient,

"What kind of accurate and up-to-date information has to be provided? Does this mean instead that carriers may not provide false information vis-a-vis their services? If so, this ought to be explicitly stated."

Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and measurements, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics,

"Requiring IMI units in particular to be used would be beneficial, although your missions should ensure that this does not fall afoul of the House of Cards regulation enforced by the Secretariat."

Enforces that all drivers and operators of freight transport vehicles must be of legal age and have the license to operate said vehicles in the nations which the freight transport will occur in to continue to engage in international freight.

"What does this achieve that rational member nation policy, ie prohibiting those legally underage to drive from driving, does not?"

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Wallenburg wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:
  • Enforces the liability of the carrier for loss, damage or delay in the transport of goods,
  • Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and provide accurate and up-to-date information to shippers and the recipient,

"How far does this carrier liability extend? There are plenty of edge cases that carriers can't possibly take action to avoid apart from never carrying anything. Another concern here is that this is not limited to international freight; these sections apply to all transport of goods by all modes, foreign and domestic."


"We have rewritten the clause to establish that carriers must do so when it is reasonable."

Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and measurements, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics,

"Military resources, including state secrets, are routinely transported by train. 'Complete transparency about what is being transported' is an unconscionable security hazard."


"Also rewritten."

The Ice States wrote:"We, of course, welcome the Ostrovskian mission to the snakepit. This is well-written for a first draft, but still needs work on it before it is submitted. We find ourselves largely agreeing with the Wallenburgian mission, and also have our own feedback on this draft."

Ostrovskiy wrote:provide accurate and up-to-date information to shippers and the recipient,

"What kind of accurate and up-to-date information has to be provided? Does this mean instead that carriers may not provide false information vis-a-vis their services? If so, this ought to be explicitly stated."


"Now explicitly stated!"

Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and measurements, with complete transparency about what is being transported, how much, and other relevant characteristics,

"Requiring IMI units in particular to be used would be beneficial, although your missions should ensure that this does not fall afoul of the House of Cards regulation enforced by the Secretariat."


"Added. I believe committees still exist and can be referenced even if their creator resolution has been repealed, as long as they are used in another resolution?"

Enforces that all drivers and operators of freight transport vehicles must be of legal age and have the license to operate said vehicles in the nations which the freight transport will occur in to continue to engage in international freight.

"What does this achieve that rational member nation policy, ie prohibiting those legally underage to drive from driving, does not?"


"The clause has been removed accordingly."

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Postby Araraukar » Thu May 18, 2023 10:14 pm

"Freight Transport" as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
“Personnel” as individuals involved in the carriage of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,

OOC: One thing that immediately caught my attention: the underlined bits should probably be made to match, given definition wordings are pretty important.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri May 19, 2023 8:08 am

Araraukar wrote:
"Freight Transport" as the movement of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, rail, road, sea and air,
“Personnel” as individuals involved in the carriage of goods by any mode of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,

OOC: One thing that immediately caught my attention: the underlined bits should probably be made to match, given definition wordings are pretty important.

OOC: ^_^ Thank you, I've changed it both to movement of goods!

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Postby The Ice States » Fri May 19, 2023 12:01 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:"Now explicitly stated!"

"Our concern appears not to have been addressed by this change in wording."

"Added. I believe committees still exist and can be referenced even if their creator resolution has been repealed, as long as they are used in another resolution?"

"That is correct; although defunct committees can be revived through the assignment of new duties."

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri May 19, 2023 1:21 pm

The Ice States wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:"Now explicitly stated!"

"Our concern appears not to have been addressed by this change in wording."

"We have once again rewritten the clause in question to reflect the concerns of your delegation."

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Postby The Ice States » Fri May 19, 2023 1:24 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
The Ice States wrote:"Our concern appears not to have been addressed by this change in wording."

"We have once again rewritten the clause in question to reflect the concerns of your delegation."

Alga Veshnikova
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"Yes, the latest draft addresses our concerns."

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Postby Wallenburg » Fri May 19, 2023 2:15 pm

OOC: My apologies for harping on the same point from a different angle, but it struck me that state confidentiality is hardly the only reason to keep the contents of stored goods secret. I don't think mailed checks would count as "freight transport" here, but certainly medicine, adult paraphernalia, and expensive luxury items would be and there is good cause to obfuscate the nature of these goods during transport (typically shaming, tampering, or theft). For instance, I wouldn't want to buy STD meds and have the person at the delivery counter know intimate details of my life, nor would I want to order an expensive graphics card and have anyone remotely tech-savvy along the delivery line decide that it should fall off the back of a truck.

I guess my central issue is this: what does transparency about the contents of a package achieve? If we're talking about 34,000 gallons of potassium cyanide, I certainly see the need for prompt identification, but the language of this proposal requires quite broad and deep transparency about matters that simply are not relevant to anyone but the deliverer and recipient.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri May 19, 2023 4:22 pm

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: My apologies for harping on the same point from a different angle, but it struck me that state confidentiality is hardly the only reason to keep the contents of stored goods secret. I don't think mailed checks would count as "freight transport" here, but certainly medicine, adult paraphernalia, and expensive luxury items would be and there is good cause to obfuscate the nature of these goods during transport (typically shaming, tampering, or theft). For instance, I wouldn't want to buy STD meds and have the person at the delivery counter know intimate details of my life, nor would I want to order an expensive graphics card and have anyone remotely tech-savvy along the delivery line decide that it should fall off the back of a truck.

I guess my central issue is this: what does transparency about the contents of a package achieve? If we're talking about 34,000 gallons of potassium cyanide, I certainly see the need for prompt identification, but the language of this proposal requires quite broad and deep transparency about matters that simply are not relevant to anyone but the deliverer and recipient.

OOC: I've tried to rewrite it so identification is given if it's reasonable.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 19, 2023 7:28 pm

Can you clean up your OP such that it's clear where your draft text starts and ends? I think I know but I'd want clarification; at the point I'd ask for it, I may as well as for a general clearing of it.

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Fri May 19, 2023 8:54 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Can you clean up your OP such that it's clear where your draft text starts and ends? I think I know but I'd want clarification; at the point I'd ask for it, I may as well as for a general clearing of it.

Did i forget to add the quote after i updated for the last draft? I did, didn't I? checks

Yep. Fixed.

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Postby Simone Republic » Sat May 20, 2023 5:52 pm

As mentioned on Discord, the compensation of cargo in maritime in real life is completely different to what is planned here.

Due to the laws of general average (this dates from Code of Hammurabi, so 3,700 odd years ago), if a ship is in danger and general average is declared by the captain (or these days, usually the ship management company), if you toss a couple of hundred containers or boxes or whatever into the ocean to try to save the ship, the loss goes to *everyone* who carries the cargo, not just the owner of that particular piece of cargo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_average

The most famous recent example is Ever Given in the Suez Canal where of course everyone had to eat the loss via general average for being an overnight Internet meme.

Suggest to cut the seafaring and air bits and stick to land cargo. Land based cargo is more straight forward in terms of liabilities because whoever is the shipper (there's usually only a single one) and the compensation is more straight forward. If a railway (railroad in the US) operator spills toxic waste in the middle of a town, the rail operator is clearly responsible. If a FedEx truck and a UPS truck crash and some cargo is lost, it should be clear which piece of cargo is damaged and whose loss it is.

Marine cargo doesn't work like this.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Sun May 28, 2023 11:23 pm

Simone Republic wrote:As mentioned on Discord, the compensation of cargo in maritime in real life is completely different to what is planned here.

Due to the laws of general average (this dates from Code of Hammurabi, so 3,700 odd years ago), if a ship is in danger and general average is declared by the captain (or these days, usually the ship management company), if you toss a couple of hundred containers or boxes or whatever into the ocean to try to save the ship, the loss goes to *everyone* who carries the cargo, not just the owner of that particular piece of cargo.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_average

The most famous recent example is Ever Given in the Suez Canal where of course everyone had to eat the loss via general average for being an overnight Internet meme.

Suggest to cut the seafaring and air bits and stick to land cargo. Land based cargo is more straight forward in terms of liabilities because whoever is the shipper (there's usually only a single one) and the compensation is more straight forward. If a railway (railroad in the US) operator spills toxic waste in the middle of a town, the rail operator is clearly responsible. If a FedEx truck and a UPS truck crash and some cargo is lost, it should be clear which piece of cargo is damaged and whose loss it is.

Marine cargo doesn't work like this.

OOC: rewritten

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon May 29, 2023 3:41 pm

Neville: 'Most of this draft appears eminently sensible to us, but we have a few concerns. Allow us to point out the clauses that are of note.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Neville: 'Ambassador, if the concern is international freight as indicated by this clause and by the title, why do these standards apply to domestic freight as well? We believe that purely domestic freight is not a matter for the World Assembly but for individual member states.'

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  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by the methods of transport of rail and road,

Neville: 'The definition of 'freight' tends to include both air and sea, Ambassador. Now, we agree that these two modes of transport require separate resolutions due to their unique nature, but this definition as currently written is not restricted to this resolution and thus seems to suggest that all future resolutions that use the term 'freight transport' will be restricted to rail and road. It would be better to write 'Defines for the purposes of this resolution' so that no complications arise in future.

'In addition, this would seem to exclude off-road transport, which is important for nations situated in desert regions, for instance. We see no reason why the definition, instead of specifying merely rail and road, cannot be extended to all forms of land transport.

'Finally, our earlier concerns about this resolution affecting domestic freight come down to this definition. Narrowing the definition so that 'freight transport' for the purposes of this resolution refers only to international freight would be our recommendation.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:“Personnel” as individuals involved in the movement of goods by the above methods of transport, including but not limited to, drivers, pilots, seafarers, terminal operators, freight forwarders and customs officers,

Neville: 'Given that the term 'personnel' does not appear again in this resolution, this definition is unnecessary and should be removed.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:Mandates that all carriers exercise due diligence to protect their cargo and avoid possible damages to the property of others, and that carriers may not provide false or out-of-date information to either the shipper or the recipient about their services,

Neville: 'We share the concerns of the Wallenburger Ambassa-'

Harold taps Neville on the shoulder and hands him a note.

Neville: (scans the note then looks back up) 'Apologies, the Wallenburgian Ambassador. Anyway, we share their concerns regarding classified material, and we do not believe the current draft addresses this matter sufficiently.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,

Neville: 'In what way does this allow classified material to remain classified, Ambassador?

'All in all, this proposal certainly has potential and we would be happy to support it on the condition that all our concerns are addressed.'
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Mon May 29, 2023 4:18 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:Neville: 'Most of this draft appears eminently sensible to us, but we have a few concerns. Allow us to point out the clauses that are of note.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:Recalling the importance of international freight, which plays a critical role in the multiversal economy, and allows goods to be transported across borders and connect all corners of the multiverse,

Neville: 'Ambassador, if the concern is international freight as indicated by this clause and by the title, why do these standards apply to domestic freight as well? We believe that purely domestic freight is not a matter for the World Assembly but for individual member states.'

Ostrovskiy wrote:
  • Defines:
    1. “Freight Transport” as the movement of goods by the methods of transport of rail and road,

Neville: 'The definition of 'freight' tends to include both air and sea, Ambassador. Now, we agree that these two modes of transport require separate resolutions due to their unique nature, but this definition as currently written is not restricted to this resolution and thus seems to suggest that all future resolutions that use the term 'freight transport' will be restricted to rail and road. It would be better to write 'Defines for the purposes of this resolution' so that no complications arise in future.

'In addition, this would seem to exclude off-road transport, which is important for nations situated in desert regions, for instance. We see no reason why the definition, instead of specifying merely rail and road, cannot be extended to all forms of land transport.

'Finally, our earlier concerns about this resolution affecting domestic freight come down to this definition. Narrowing the definition so that 'freight transport' for the purposes of this resolution refers only to international freight would be our recommendation.'


"We have rewritten the definition to hopefully adress these concerns."

Neville: 'Given that the term 'personnel' does not appear again in this resolution, this definition is unnecessary and should be removed.'


"Ah, yes. This definition was held over for a clause in a previous draft, and has now been removed."

Neville: 'In what way does this allow classified material to remain classified, Ambassador?

"'If identification is reasonably needed.' For plain documents and the like, identification is not needed. If it's a secret atomic warhead, then all those around, or, indeed, within a hundred miles of it, should probably know of it."
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon May 29, 2023 4:30 pm

OOC: FYI, all of the active clauses are currently under the 'Defines' clause. You'll want to fix the formatting there. Also, support.
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Mon May 29, 2023 4:39 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:OOC: FYI, all of the active clauses are currently under the 'Defines' clause. You'll want to fix the formatting there. Also, support.

OOC: I shall. Thanks for the support!

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Mon May 29, 2023 4:47 pm

Ostrovskiy wrote:
States of Glory WA Office wrote:OOC: FYI, all of the active clauses are currently under the 'Defines' clause. You'll want to fix the formatting there. Also, support.

OOC: I shall. Thanks for the support!

OOC: Sorry to be nitpicky, but you don't need a sub-list when you only have one item. This should suffice:

Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, “freight transport” as the movement of goods by land through multiple World Assembly member states,
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Postby Ostrovskiy » Mon May 29, 2023 5:02 pm

States of Glory WA Office wrote:
Ostrovskiy wrote:OOC: I shall. Thanks for the support!

OOC: Sorry to be nitpicky, but you don't need a sub-list when you only have one item. This should suffice:

Defines, for the purposes of this resolution, “freight transport” as the movement of goods by land through multiple World Assembly member states,

OOC: Alr done thx

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Postby Simone Republic » Tue May 30, 2023 1:22 am

"mutliple WA states" don't make sense - crossing the border of at least one WA state would be better - what's the legal definition of "multiple" anyway?

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Tue May 30, 2023 8:07 am

Simone Republic wrote:"mutliple WA states" don't make sense - crossing the border of at least one WA state would be better - what's the legal definition of "multiple" anyway?

Fixed.

"what's the legal definition of 'multiple' anyway?"

Not an expert, but I'm pretty sure it's more than one :p

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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Tue May 30, 2023 1:01 pm

Neville: 'Upon further inspection, the term 'freight transport' is only used in one active clause:

Instructs all involved with freight transport to ensure measurement of characteristics of goods and their labeling accordingly, by the usage of multinationally standardized symbols and the measurements of the International Measurements Institute, with transparency about what and how much is being transported if identification is reasonably needed,


'The term is not used in any of the other clauses. Therefore, there is nothing to indicate that these other clauses apply only to international freight.'
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