Embassy of the South Pacific

[The North Polish Union]

Nonsense.

Yes, everything you posted after this was.

Not only do you misunderstand what independence is, you also entirely misunderstand TNP's complaint over TSP's appointment of HS. I'm honestly surprised. I know you've never really been that quick on the uptake, but the Independent Manifesto has been around for a long time, and it's pretty clear on what it stands for.

Maybe pontificate less, and read more.

Did you not consider that I had exactly the Independent Manifesto in mind when I made my last post?

The ultimate objective of an Independent region’s diplomacy is to maximize utility for the region
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collaboration can exist on the [...] condition that the other parties will acknowledge and respect the Independent region’s freedom to act in any capacity its self-interests dictate
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decisions and guidelines on the types of military operations an Independent military may execute are adopted on the basis of regional interests

Need I go on?

Are these positions that signal to allies or potential allies that a region is a reliable partner, and not one who will abandon ship the moment partnership becomes a burden to their highly-utilitarian diplomatic philosophy?

[Sacred Butterfinger]

The ultimate objective of an Independent region’s diplomacy is to maximize utility for the region
--
collaboration can exist on the [...] condition that the other parties will acknowledge and respect the Independent region’s freedom to act in any capacity its self-interests dictate
--
decisions and guidelines on the types of military operations an Independent military may execute are adopted on the basis of regional interests

Need I go on?

"Independent region wants to do what is best for said region"
"Independent region doesn't want other regions to infringe on its sovereignty"
"Independent region can decide themselves if they want to partake in an operation"

These are all radical ideas, oh my god. I'm flabbergasted.
Yes, you need to go on because I fail to see the problem.*
EDIT: *You fail to explain the non-existent problem.

[NPU]

The ultimate objective of an Independent region’s diplomacy is to maximize utility for the region
--
collaboration can exist on the [...] condition that the other parties will acknowledge and respect the Independent region’s freedom to act in any capacity its self-interests dictate
--
decisions and guidelines on the types of military operations an Independent military may execute are adopted on the basis of regional interests

Need I go on?

"Independent region wants to do what is best for said region"
"Independent region doesn't want other regions to infringe on its sovereignty"
"Independent region can decide themselves if they want to partake in an operation"

These are all radical ideas, oh my god. I'm flabbergasted.
Yes, you need to go on because I fail to see the problem.*
EDIT: *You fail to explain the non-existent problem.

These of course become much easier to rationalise when one interprets them in the way that is most beneficial to their own interests. However, I do feel obligated to point out that the second excerpt I took from the Independent Manifesto and your condensation of it are two entirely different statements, more even than the condensations of the 1st and 3rd excerpts. All three excerpts point to a hyper-utilitarian diplomatic philosophy which, if taken seriously, would actually encourage 'Independent' regions to abandon their allies the moment an inconvenient situation arises. This sort of behaviour can be seen easily and perhaps most notably in the well-documented fact that NES sought to cooperate with both sides of the Milograd conflict in TSP to ensure that he and his would be the ultimate kingmakers of the region.

In this case TNP uses the good old line about their own regional sovereignty to object to TSP appointing an individual to an internal-facing cabinet position. Koth on the previous page points out that under TNP's regional sovereignty framework they have grounds to be concerned about this appointment. The question then is whether or not TNP has the right to likewise infringe on TSP's sovereignty by seeking to dictate their internal affairs; if TNP takes seriously that their diplomacy should be to "maximize utility for the region", then it would seem that they do have that right, TSP's interests be damned.

Of course, one could come to the conclusion that 'regional sovereignty' is all a farce, but I don't expect TNP to do that and instead to continue down their fruitless road.

[Sacred Butterfinger]

-snip-

Cool. Take your consistently bad takes, which nobody asked for, and give them to people who actually care, which is probably no one.

[Malice Sleet]

-snip-

Cool. Take your consistently bad takes, which nobody asked for, and give them to people who actually care, which is probably no one.

npu's brand of unapologetic agendaposting is an art form, one that you lot could learn a lot from!

[Sacred Butterfinger]

Cool. Take your consistently bad takes, which nobody asked for, and give them to people who actually care, which is probably no one.

npu's brand of unapologetic agendaposting is an art form, one that you lot could learn a lot from!

I have always dreamt of reaching NPU's heights! One day, one day.

[Chef Big Dog]

Can we please, for the sake of my blood pressure and sleep schedule, not have a third?

That's a fantastic idea, and god knows I'm gonna try to avoid a third.

I have the upmost faith in your abilities.

[Sporaltryus]

Fellow South Pacificans and to our Friends abroad,

As you may be well aware, Delegate of The North Pacific Gorundu has issued a statement outlining the question advanced in TNP’s Regional Assembly of whether to repeal the Aurora Alliance. Over the coming days, their legislative body will deliberate on this matter and a decision on retaining our formal alliance will be made.

The South Pacific has upmost respect for TNP’s prerogative to govern its affairs as however it sees fit, and this extends to its present discussion of this matter. Such is the bedrock of our longstanding relations with one another as the two oldest democracies in the world. Accordingly, it is on this unimpeachable premise that we shall respect whatever decision the RA arrives at.

Notwithstanding the ultimate outcome of TNP’s deliberations, the Coalition affirms, as it always has, our intentions to continue to cultivate positive relations with our neighbouring region and close partner.

The North Pacific will always have a friend in The South Pacific.

Yours truly,

Prime Minister of The South Pacific
ProfessorHenn (Sporaltryus)

Minister of Foreign Affairs of The South Pacific
Amerion

[Reventus Koth]

NS democracies are like slow burn fics, you either love watching the train wreck in slow motion or it's complete fucking agony

[Past beans]

NS democracies are like slow burn fics, you either love watching the train wreck in slow motion or it's complete fucking agony

It entirely depends on how much time you have on your hands.

[Improper Classifications]

NS democracies are like slow burn fics, you either love watching the train wreck in slow motion or it's complete fucking agony

Somebody get the camcorder. This has got to be the GP event of the year.

[Mlakhavia]

NS democracies are like slow burn fics, you either love watching the train wreck in slow motion or it's complete fucking agony

Somebody get the camcorder. This has got to be the GP event of the year.

It's only May. Don't tempt fate. :p

[Evil Wolf]

The North Pacific will always have a friend in The South Pacific.

Friends don't threaten friends.

[Pencil Sharpeners 2]

It's nearly three years since #Mofanda promised to end the alliance with TNP. Sadly, I didn't get elected, and yet it looks like the alliance will come to an end anyway?

So that begs the question, what else from my campaign will come true in the coming months or years?

[The Nationalistic Republics of N Belarus]

This never would have been allowed to happen if Comrade Milograd was still in charge.

[Refuge Isle]

It's nearly three years since #Mofanda promised to end the alliance with TNP. Sadly, I didn't get elected, and yet it looks like the alliance will come to an end anyway?

So that begs the question, what else from my campaign will come true in the coming months or years?

It takes some longer than others to see the light.

[MANS0N]

This never would have been allowed to happen if Comrade Milograd was still in charge.

frfr

[Drystar]

The North Pacific will always have a friend in The South Pacific.

Friends don't threaten friends.

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

[A Bloodred Moon]

Friends don't threaten friends.

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

Leave it to a TSPer to disagree with a statement as simple as “friends don’t threaten friends”, I suppose.

[Darcania]

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

Leave it to a TSPer to disagree with a statement as simple as “friends don’t threaten friends”, I suppose.

Explains a lot, really. Can't deny that it fits within NSGP's general attitude, though

[Sacred Butterfinger]

Friends don't threaten friends.

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

Ah, the TSPer with a twisted definition of friendship. What else is new?

[Refiria]

Friends don't threaten friends.

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

[Drystar]

You have a very narrow definition of friendship.

Since you, at least loosely, asked for clarification. Friendship is never an open ended relationship. Say you’ve had a friend for a while, you’ve shared laughs and genuine amusement at events, but then your friend gets distracted by any number of things you find questionable. Do you not warn your friend that’s probably not the best choice? And if they ignore you, and their indulgences become a bit more unsavory, do you follow along blindly? Or do you at some point start warning your friend of possible consequences that could happen? A threat or warning can be interpreted in many different ways after all. Recall the old parent saying, “If your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it to?”.

[Mlakhavia]

Since you, at least loosely, asked for clarification. Friendship is never an open ended relationship. Say you’ve had a friend for a while, you’ve shared laughs and genuine amusement at events, but then your friend gets distracted by any number of things you find questionable. Do you not warn your friend that’s probably not the best choice? And if they ignore you, and their indulgences become a bit more unsavory, do you follow along blindly? Or do you at some point start warning your friend of possible consequences that could happen? A threat or warning can be interpreted in many different ways after all. Recall the old parent saying, “If your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it to?”.

Yeah, of course, voting for an LWU resolution you co-authored is precisely the same gravity as throwing yourself off a bridge.

You are incredibly insightful.

[Trivalve]

Since you, at least loosely, asked for clarification. Friendship is never an open ended relationship. Say you’ve had a friend for a while, you’ve shared laughs and genuine amusement at events, but then your friend gets distracted by any number of things you find questionable. Do you not warn your friend that’s probably not the best choice? And if they ignore you, and their indulgences become a bit more unsavory, do you follow along blindly? Or do you at some point start warning your friend of possible consequences that could happen? A threat or warning can be interpreted in many different ways after all. Recall the old parent saying, “If your friend jumped off a bridge, would you do it to?”.

Yeah, of course, voting for an LWU resolution you co-authored is precisely the same gravity as throwing yourself off a bridge.

You are incredibly insightful.

Dear lord you guys take things way to literally. It's a figure of speech, not an exact comparison.