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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 16, 2023 11:04 pm

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Unhuh. You are worth a laugh. I will give you that.


I'm worth a bunch, I presume it's why you've elected to subordinate yourself to me.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:04 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
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I thought you didn’t care?

I don't but I've acknowledged your submission to my superior values.
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So you're playing the 'I Win Because I Win' Card? Go get your pacifier and let the adults have their discussion.
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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:05 pm

Undemocacy wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:You seem to have ignored the part were I said that wasn't free speech.

give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

Porn isn't speech, and is actualy harmful.

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:06 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Undemocacy wrote:give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

Porn isn't speech, and is actualy harmful.


The courts disagree with you and their opinion is worth far more than yours.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:So you're playing the 'I Win Because I Win' Card? Go get your pacifier and let the adults have their discussion.

Yeah? If you kiss my ring I win. I mean if you have a belief system contradictory to mine that you are willing to further then that's something we can talk about.
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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Porn isn't speech, and is actualy harmful.


The courts disagree with you and their opinion is worth far more than yours.

Why?

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:07 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
What is and isn't free speech is usually up to the courts to decide, but thanks for demonstrating that you agree that there should be some sort of limits when it comes to what speech is protected and what speech is not.

Now that we've gotten that out of the way, back to discussing how to define reasonable limits.

You seem to have ignored the part were I said that wasn't free speech.


I didn't miss the part where you were wrong. You can claim whatever nonsense you like but it just makes you less credible.
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Postby Undemocacy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:09 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Undemocacy wrote:give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

Porn isn't speech, and is actualy harmful.

(I'm going to ignore the first part because semantics are not a good argument as they prove nothing other than one sides inability to understand context, or lack of a good argument)

The only argument you've made here is that it isn't ok because it is harmful, which is correct.
Speech (even if it isn't technically speech) isn't ok when it causes harm.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:09 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
The courts disagree with you and their opinion is worth far more than yours.

Why?


Because you're not the arbitrator of laws like the courts are. You're some uninformed rando on the internet, how would your opinion carry the same weight as the Supreme Court?
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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:09 pm

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:You seem to have ignored the part were I said that wasn't free speech.


I didn't miss the part where you were wrong. You can claim whatever nonsense you like but it just makes you less credible.

How is p*rn speech.

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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:10 pm

Undemocacy wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Porn isn't speech, and is actualy harmful.

(I'm going to ignore the first part because semantics are not a good argument as they prove nothing other than one sides inability to understand context, or lack of a good argument)

The only argument you've made here is that it isn't ok because it is harmful, which is correct.
Speech (even if it isn't technically speech) isn't ok when it causes harm.

Speech doesn't cause harm.

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Union of States of America wrote:now, whenever I read a post by EuroStralia, I for some strange reaon hear it in Tucker Carlson's voice. :eyebrow:

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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:10 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
I didn't miss the part where you were wrong. You can claim whatever nonsense you like but it just makes you less credible.

How is p*rn speech.


Did you miss the article I linked explain it?
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Postby Undemocacy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:10 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
I didn't miss the part where you were wrong. You can claim whatever nonsense you like but it just makes you less credible.

How is p*rn speech.

Undemocacy wrote:(semantics are not a good argument as they prove nothing other than one sides inability to understand context, or lack of a good argument)

stop arguing semantics, it only shows you have no actual argument.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:11 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Undemocacy wrote:(I'm going to ignore the first part because semantics are not a good argument as they prove nothing other than one sides inability to understand context, or lack of a good argument)

The only argument you've made here is that it isn't ok because it is harmful, which is correct.
Speech (even if it isn't technically speech) isn't ok when it causes harm.

Speech doesn't cause harm.

So if I were to, say, spread it around your community that you were a child groomer, that wouldn't be harmful?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 16, 2023 11:13 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:
The courts disagree with you and their opinion is worth far more than yours.

Why?


Obscenity isn’t protected.

https://www.justice.gov/criminal-ceos/o ... 20offenses.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:13 pm

Undemocacy wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:How is p*rn speech.

Undemocacy wrote:(semantics are not a good argument as they prove nothing other than one sides inability to understand context, or lack of a good argument)

stop arguing semantics


You go to war with the army you've got. If one has nothing but semantics, they'll resort to arguing semantics. :lol2:
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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:16 pm

Undemocacy wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:You seem to have ignored the part were I said that wasn't free speech.

give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/porn-isnt ... -anywhere/
Necroghastia wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:Speech doesn't cause harm.

So if I were to, say, spread it around your community that you were a child groomer, that wouldn't be harmful?

That would be slander, you would be breaking the law and the Eighth Commandment.

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:17 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Undemocacy wrote:give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/porn-isnt ... -anywhere/
Necroghastia wrote:So if I were to, say, spread it around your community that you were a child groomer, that wouldn't be harmful?

That would be slander, you would be breaking the law and the Eighth Commandment.

But it's speech. Speech doesn't cause harm.
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Postby Undemocacy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:18 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:That would be slander, you would be breaking the law and the Eighth Commandment.

But it's speech. Speech doesn't cause harm.

No that's only true when EuroStralia says it.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue May 16, 2023 11:18 pm

EuroStralia wrote:https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/porn-isnt-free-speech-on-the-web-or-anywhere/


Just some other rando's opinion. It carries as much weight as a dry fart.
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Postby EuroStralia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:20 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
EuroStralia wrote:https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/porn-isnt ... -anywhere/
That would be slander, you would be breaking the law and the Eighth Commandment.

But it's speech. Speech doesn't cause harm.

You're correct, the lie you're spreading does.

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Postby Undemocacy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:20 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Undemocacy wrote:give a good reason why it isn't free speech, that isn't in relation to the technicality that it isn't spoken.

https://nypost.com/2019/12/09/porn-isnt ... r-anywhere.

You didn't read that, did you?
It never claims it isn't speach, it instead says that it causes harm so it should be banned. Which I personally agree with.
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Postby Undemocacy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:21 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:But it's speech. Speech doesn't cause harm.

You're correct, the lie you're spreading does.

Do you see how that could be applied to fox "news"?
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[pre]this is how all those people do compact news things, pretty neat I think[/pre]

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 16, 2023 11:21 pm

EuroStralia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:But it's speech. Speech doesn't cause harm.

You're correct, the lie you're spreading does.

But that is my speech. And speech does not cause harm.
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Postby Querria » Tue May 16, 2023 11:22 pm

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Querria wrote:Fuck Fox News.

Thanks for the amazing insight.

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