Divorce- no fault vs. whose fault?

[Floofybit]

Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

[Indecent Anime Empire]

Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

This would make it ten times worse for the kid who needs regulation in their life rather than making it easier, the chaos that a house hold who equally desires separation under that circumstance would cause.

Also at times, children shouldn't be in the hands of their biological family if there is such tension that they are being traumatized by their own parents.

[Ifreann]

Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

No it shouldn't.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

That would just further incentivize trapping one's partner with a baby.

What we really need are parenting licenses. I'm so tired of society waiting until the neglect has been committed to do something about it. And then they bleat about "the harm that comes from breaking the bond between parent and child" to hesitate anyway. Gee, if only you could prevent neglect in a way that doesn't require letting a parent-child bond be formed before you have to break it...

[Floofybit]

Divorce should at the very least be harder when the couple has a child to take care of

That would just further incentivize trapping one's partner with a baby.

What we really need are parenting licenses. I'm so tired of society waiting until the neglect has been committed to do something about it. And then they bleat about "the harm that comes from breaking the bond between parent and child" to hesitate anyway. Gee, if only you could prevent neglect in a way that doesn't require letting a parent-child bond be formed before you have to break it...

Yes, we NEED parental licensing

[Ethel mermania]

That would just further incentivize trapping one's partner with a baby.

What we really need are parenting licenses. I'm so tired of society waiting until the neglect has been committed to do something about it. And then they bleat about "the harm that comes from breaking the bond between parent and child" to hesitate anyway. Gee, if only you could prevent neglect in a way that doesn't require letting a parent-child bond be formed before you have to break it...

Yes, we NEED parental licensing

And how are you going to enforce it?

Force abortions on anyone pregnant without a license?

[Floofybit]

Yes, we NEED parental licensing

And how are you going to enforce it?

Force abortions on anyone pregnant without a license?

Keep the child out of their custody until they get a license.

[Ethel mermania]

And how are you going to enforce it?

Force abortions on anyone pregnant without a license?

Keep the child out of their custody until they get a license.

Make the kid an orphan?

What if they don't qualify for a license?

[Floofybit]

Keep the child out of their custody until they get a license.

Make the kid an orphan?

What if they don't qualify for a license?

Anyone who is over the age of 18 and can raise child a should be allowed to test for a license. Also, no, the parents can still see the child daily, the child would just be raised elsewhere.

[Ethel mermania]

Make the kid an orphan?

What if they don't qualify for a license?

Anyone who is over the age of 18 and can raise child a should be allowed to test for a license. Also, no, the parents can still see the child daily, the child would just be raised elsewhere.

1. What if they don't qualify?
2. You are going to take a newborn from their parents and give it to whom?
3. What if mom is 16?

[Arval Va]

That would just further incentivize trapping one's partner with a baby.

What we really need are parenting licenses. I'm so tired of society waiting until the neglect has been committed to do something about it. And then they bleat about "the harm that comes from breaking the bond between parent and child" to hesitate anyway. Gee, if only you could prevent neglect in a way that doesn't require letting a parent-child bond be formed before you have to break it...

Yes, we NEED parental licensing

Who decides what makes a good parent? This just rings of forced sterilisation. What we really need is comprehensive sex ed and better access to education, abortions, and contraceptives.

[Floofybit]

Anyone who is over the age of 18 and can raise child a should be allowed to test for a license. Also, no, the parents can still see the child daily, the child would just be raised elsewhere.

1. What if they don't qualify?
2. You are going to take a newborn from their parents and give it to whom?
3. What if mom is 16?

1. If a person does not have the resources, the government will help them out and give them the funds needed.

2. Care facilities that are heavily overseered by the government to make the sure the children are being taken care of properly.

3. the same process will be done for something over 18 without a license.

[Kernen]

Make the kid an orphan?

What if they don't qualify for a license?

Anyone who is over the age of 18 and can raise child a should be allowed to test for a license. Also, no, the parents can still see the child daily, the child would just be raised elsewhere.

You don't have children. I know because you don't see how shockingly traumatizing that would be for children.

[Kernen]

That's what proving fault in court is for.

Thus serving as a major cost and time barrier.

Sure there is. Then the abandoned spouse could divorce the spouse who abandoned them and claim fault.
Thus preventing reasonable people from making choices as to their own legal status.

A reasonable person could have come to the conclusion that the vows couples make to each other before tying the knot are supposed to mean something. Why not make that the default, and "either spouse can leave at any time for any reason or no reason at all" a condition that can be added to prenups.

The vows are pretty but legally irrelevant to the legal status of marriage.

[Floofybit]

Anyone who is over the age of 18 and can raise child a should be allowed to test for a license. Also, no, the parents can still see the child daily, the child would just be raised elsewhere.

You don't have children. I know because you don't see how shockingly traumatizing that would be for children.

And it would all be the parent's fault for not getting licenced.

[Kernen]

You don't have children. I know because you don't see how shockingly traumatizing that would be for children.

And it would all be the parent's fault for not getting licenced.

Nope. If they take no action to license and the state removes children, then the state is the proximate cause of the harm. They are affirmatively acting, and the result of that affirmative action is trauma. The parents not acting causes no trauma. Ergo the state is at fault.

I'd happily take potshots at anybody who tries to come traumatize my kid.

[Ifreann]

That would just further incentivize trapping one's partner with a baby.

What we really need are parenting licenses. I'm so tired of society waiting until the neglect has been committed to do something about it. And then they bleat about "the harm that comes from breaking the bond between parent and child" to hesitate anyway. Gee, if only you could prevent neglect in a way that doesn't require letting a parent-child bond be formed before you have to break it...

Yes, we NEED parental licensing

No we don't.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

wait, so you hate freedom and safety now?

No. Society will be monitored and if a couple is caught harming one another, they will be separated, and charged accordingly. If no harm is being caused, marriage should be sanctified and preserved

why? why shouldn’t the wishes of the married be enough to end the marriage? if marriage requires consent to enter, why shouldn’t you be able to revoke consent to get out? why do you get to be the arbiter of whose relationships must be kept?

[Ethel mermania]

1. What if they don't qualify?
2. You are going to take a newborn from their parents and give it to whom?
3. What if mom is 16?

1. If a person does not have the resources, the government will help them out and give them the funds needed.

2. Care facilities that are heavily overseered by the government to make the sure the children are being taken care of properly.

3. the same process will be done for something over 18 without a license.

If you do something without a license in this country you get public sanctions including jail time

[Floofybit]

1. If a person does not have the resources, the government will help them out and give them the funds needed.

2. Care facilities that are heavily overseered by the government to make the sure the children are being taken care of properly.

3. the same process will be done for something over 18 without a license.

If you do something without a license in this country you get public sanctions including jail time

Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

[Rary]

If you do something without a license in this country you get public sanctions including jail time

Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

And you expect that to work how?

[Ors Might]

If you do something without a license in this country you get public sanctions including jail time

Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

How would you even prosecute that?

[Ventura Bay]

My parents divorced when I was pretty young and tbh it fucked me up in ways that I’m still dealing with today. Honestly I doubt I will ever be able to have normal romantic relationships because of the trauma from it.

Why did your parents divorce upset you so badly? Did you have to go to court and choose between them?

[Ethel mermania]

If you do something without a license in this country you get public sanctions including jail time

Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

And I would be for an armed revolution against any government trying to enforce it

[Saiwana]

Sure, I wouldn't be against criminalising unprotected sex without a license.

If that law was on the books, I'd be in favor of the police not actively wasting resources investigating rule violations on that, but taking people to jail/prison if other people snitch on them or sent in proof that they had sex outside of marriage. If the burden of proof was on defendant to prove innocence, that'd cost legal system even less.

I'd want to be a smart despot like Palpatine where you can let the people have just enough liberties to distract them from being too dissatisfied with your rule to want to overthrow- but enforce the stuff that does actually matter for keeping the regime in control and power.