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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:04 am

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Neutraligon wrote:Too long did not read. They are asking you to in one or two sentences explain what you said.

in general and briefly summarize, a) Russia technically cannot, at least in the foreseeable future, disintegrate, even if the special services of the whole world are involved, b) adequate politicians should not allow this, because nuclear weapons will spread across the country, 3) when you talk about the collapse of Russia and distort the name of the country, you remind our "patriots" who are now supporting the war with Ukraine

So basically the same geopolitcal catch-22 when US Marines had the privilege of nervously watching Soviet T-80s start lobbing shells into their own parliament in 1993 and folks were wondering if Yelstin was still doing alright, mentally.

The contingency-plan if things had gotten worse would've looked a lot like the US/Coalition occupation of Japan or Iraq and hastily propping up whatever provisional government officers still bothered to show up for work the next day rather than commit suicide while also desperately searching for their replacements before the lynch-mobs and military juntas start showing up for a round of ethno-political cleansing.

And, y'know... preventing that bad stuff from happening. It's kinda an obvious self-preservation thing to keep the crowds from getting angry and kill-happy.
-Because if they do get murder-happy, the marines would've been expected to hold the US Embassy for 55 days, again. [55 days at Peking ref, there; and to be fair, even the modern post-office is fairly robust]
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:06 am

Lativs wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Too long did not read. They are asking you to in one or two sentences explain what you said.

in general and briefly summarize, a) Russia technically cannot, at least in the foreseeable future, disintegrate, even if the special services of the whole world are involved, b) adequate politicians should not allow this, because nuclear weapons will spread across the country, 3) when you talk about the collapse of Russia and distort the name of the country, you remind our "patriots" who are now supporting the war with Ukraine

Nobody wants to assdestroy Russia.
Everybody except the most deluded wants Russia to stop waging wars of aggression and to cease its attempts to recreate the Russian Empire to its 1900 borders.
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Postby Archinstinct » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:09 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Nobody wants to assdestroy Russia.


I would love to destroy the Russian's imperial empire with just a random fart in the wind.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:15 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Nobody wants to assdestroy Russia.


I would love to destroy the Russian's imperial empire with just a random fart in the wind.

call that the butterfly effect
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Postby Archinstinct » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:17 am

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Archinstinct wrote:
I would love to destroy the Russian's imperial empire with just a random fart in the wind.

call that the butterfly effect


Oh look, a cool name for for it too! :lol:
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:25 am

https://www.theguardian.com/global-deve ... rtion-laws
Did we talk about how Poland's Most Catholic abortion ban is preventing Ukrainian victims of war rape from getting the restitution they need?
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 6:58 am

Corrian wrote:Iceland winters also sound amazing. Regularly get snow.


Well, our tastes in climate are different. You would probably like the long Ukrainian winters, too. I prefer the (lower) Rio Grande Valley of Texas where I now live. It has one of the three warmest climates in the U.S. year round (along with South Florida and Hawaiʿi)---significantly warmer than Orlando.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:04 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Corrian wrote:Iceland winters also sound amazing. Regularly get snow.


Well, our tastes in climate are different. You would probably like the long Ukrainian winters, too. I prefer the (lower) Rio Grande Valley of Texas where I now live. It has one of the three warmest climates in the U.S. year round (along with South Florida and Hawaiʿi)---significantly warmer than Orlando.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:13 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/may/10/ukrainian-women-face-harsh-reality-poland-abortion-laws
Did we talk about how Poland's Most Catholic abortion ban is preventing Ukrainian victims of war rape from getting the restitution they need?


Hmm. I was impressed with Poland's openness to taking in so many Ukrainians. However, Poland is, to a degree, a right-wing authoritarian country. I hope that someone can arrange for these Ukrainian women to travel to other countries in the area.
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Postby The Rio Grande River Basin » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:17 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/may/10/ukrainian-women-face-harsh-reality-poland-abortion-laws
Did we talk about how Poland's Most Catholic abortion ban is preventing Ukrainian victims of war rape from getting the restitution they need?


Hmm. I was impressed with Poland's openness to taking in so many Ukrainians. However, Poland is, to a degree, a right-wing authoritarian country. I hope that someone can arrange for these Ukrainian women to travel to other countries in the area.

Eastern Europe is still somewhat less progressive. It’s somewhere inbetween Jordan and India
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:36 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Eastern Europe is still somewhat less progressive. It’s somewhere inbetween Jordan and India


Yes, and Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy dominate much of Eastern Europe.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:44 am

The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:You called?


Here, the Rio Grande River is very narrow. I cross over it going to Nuevo Progreso (about 1/2 an hour from my home).
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Postby HISPIDA » Sun Mar 26, 2023 7:45 am

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/may/10/ukrainian-women-face-harsh-reality-poland-abortion-laws
Did we talk about how Poland's Most Catholic abortion ban is preventing Ukrainian victims of war rape from getting the restitution they need?


Hmm. I was impressed with Poland's openness to taking in so many Ukrainians. However, Poland is, to a degree, a right-wing authoritarian country. I hope that someone can arrange for these Ukrainian women to travel to other countries in the area.

thankfully, western poland is filled with trans folks and femboys, so it all balances out in the end.

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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:05 am

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Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Hmm. I was impressed with Poland's openness to taking in so many Ukrainians. However, Poland is, to a degree, a right-wing authoritarian country. I hope that someone can arrange for these Ukrainian women to travel to other countries in the area.

thankfully, western poland is filled with trans folks and femboys, so it all balances out in the end.

One would have thought that was Slovakia.
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2022/may/10/ukrainian-women-face-harsh-reality-poland-abortion-laws
Did we talk about how Poland's Most Catholic abortion ban is preventing Ukrainian victims of war rape from getting the restitution they need?


Hmm. I was impressed with Poland's openness to taking in so many Ukrainians. However, Poland is, to a degree, a right-wing authoritarian country. I hope that someone can arrange for these Ukrainian women to travel to other countries in the area.

It's not too surprising: they've been one of the (if not the, discounting the Baltics) most vocal countries so far.
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:11 am

Hispida wrote:thankfully, western poland is filled with trans folks and femboys, so it all balances out in the end.


I just think of all those poor women, Ukrainian and Polish. To me, nothing can compensate for stealing away their lives.
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Postby HISPIDA » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:12 am

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Hispida wrote:thankfully, western poland is filled with trans folks and femboys, so it all balances out in the end.

One would have thought that was Slovakia.

slovenia. easy to mess up.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:17 am

-Astoria- wrote:It's not too surprising: they've been one of the (if not the, discounting the Baltics) most vocal countries so far.


Yes, but the recent history of Poland is one of restrictive immigration policies. That is why its welcoming of so many Ukrainians was a pleasant surprise.
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Postby -Astoria- » Sun Mar 26, 2023 8:56 am

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-Astoria- wrote:One would have thought that was Slovakia.

slovenia. easy to mess up.

No, no: Slovakia, too.


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-Astoria- wrote:It's not too surprising: they've been one of the (if not the, discounting the Baltics) most vocal countries so far.


Yes, but the recent history of Poland is one of restrictive immigration policies. That is why its welcoming of so many Ukrainians was a pleasant surprise.

Methinks they're more open to letting out a hand with a neighbouring country as opposed to the likes of a more... foreign people, who they'd of course never extend the same courtesy to.

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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Sun Mar 26, 2023 9:00 am

-Astoria- wrote:Methinks they're more open to letting out a hand with a neighbouring country as opposed to the likes of a more... foreign people, who they'd of course never extend the same courtesy to.


Probably so, but still disappointing. Well, I am the guy who rejects national borders (except when I am forced to pass through customs and immigration officials).
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Postby Archinstinct » Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:10 pm

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/21803784/ ... aked-docs/

VLADIMIR Putin wanted a “total cleansing” of Ukraine with “house-to-house terror” to subdue its people, leaked spy documents show.

Chilling emails from within Russia’s FSB intelligence service talk about orders “from the very top” for civilians to be taken to concentration camps in a bid to conquer Ukraine.

As the Russian tyrant is finally charged with war crimes, the premeditated nature of the horror and killing which unfolded is laid bare from sources within his own security services.

Each time Putin’s forces are pushed back, more evidence emerges of the horror they inflicted on the Ukrainian population.

Mass graves of civilians butchered by Russian troops, others marched to their deaths at gunpoint, torture chambers and the ongoing anguish of Ukrainian parents whose children have been abducted all bear witness to Putin’s plans.

When Putin ordered his invasion on February 24 last year he fully expected victory over Ukraine to be wrapped up in three days with the government in Kyiv 'decapitated’.

Only heroic resistance prevented the Russians seizing Ukraine's capital.

The extent to which Putin planned to bring Ukraine to heel with extreme violence had it not held out is revealed in emails sent by a source in the FSB to a Russian human rights activist.

Under the name Wind of Change, they were sent to Vladimir Osechkin, the founder of Gulagu, which highlights abuses in the country’s prisons.

The emails are believed to originally be the work of one FSB officer but it's thought several now contribute to the emails.

They have been translated into English by Igor Sushko, a US citizen of Ukrainian origin, who has been working with Gulagu.

The source says that the FSB, with the help of some Russian Military Intelligence, would carry out a “total cleansing” of society and politics in Ukraine.

“And after all this, we could install any government in Kiev,” says the source.

The FSB anticipated resistance among the Ukrainian population but was ordered to deal with it ruthlessly in instructions that came “from the very top”.

In the emails, Wind of Change goes into detail about how the measures would be meted out to ordinary Ukrainians who dared to resist the Russian occupiers.

This includes a “big terror” that “is being planned for Kherson, which will go through several stages”.

The first would be reducing “massive protests down to local skirmishes, and to cause severe injuries to individual protesters”.

“As soon as the mass of protests is reduced, the final stage of ‘door-to-door terror’ will begin.

“Here the FSB will play first fiddle and people will be detained in their homes at night during curfew and transferred to Russian territories - concentration camps and worse.

“It is assumed that protests will cease completely after such cleansing.”

Russia expert at the Chatham House foreign policy think-tank, Keir Giles, told The Sun Online the documents chime with what we know about Putin’s plans for Ukraine.

He explained it fits into a pattern of Russian action witnesses when it occupied the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland at the start of the Second World War.

“It’s well known that they planned to round up the Ukrainian leadership, which is what they’ve done when occupying countries such as Poland and the Baltic states,” said Giles.

“There was going to be a savage campaign or murder and oppression.

“From what we’ve seen from the occupied territories, we know what would have been in store for the rest of Ukraine. It’s very straightforward."

Giles, the author of Russia's War on Everybody: And What it Means for You, pointed to preparations of mobile crematoria to follow its forces into Ukraine as a signal of Russia's murderous intentions.

“If you saw that and they weren’t expecting to fight a war and were expecting to walk in and take over you would ask ‘who was that for?'

“So they were planning to execute, murder and dispose of very large numbers of Ukrainian civilians.

“That’s what the crematoria were for, that’s what the body bags were for.”

Putin now faces a Nuremberg-style day of reckoning like the Nazis after a warrant was issued for his arrest over alleged war crimes, legal experts have said.

The tyrant has been indicted by the International Criminal Court and could be nabbed and hauled into the dock if he steps outside his homeland.

As well as his murderous intent, the Wind of Change documents reveal how deluded Putin was in his war aims.

He believed NATO would disintegrate and Western countries beg Russia not to harm them after he invaded Ukraine.

Some Ukrainians would even rise up and welcome the Russians, he was told.


Source: https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1 ... 0072528897

Source is a year old.

But as investigations take place in Kherson it's found this plan was being carried out in real time.

New post from Igor sushko about it
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Can't wait for Orostan to defend this.
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Who is winning or is it more of a stalemate at the moment?
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The Empire Of The Sutherlands wrote:Who is winning or is it more of a stalemate at the moment?


Depends on how exactly you're defining winning. It is very much a stalemate currently, but Ukraine continuing to exist and fight is a continual and massive loss on the part of the Russians.
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Winning in the sense of territorial control as well as current state of preparedness for a continued offensive.
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The Rio Grande River Basin wrote:Can't wait for Orostan to defend this.

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