by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:45 am
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:46 am
by Nilokeras » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:41 am
El Lazaro wrote:Communists try not to come up with a Rube Goldberg machine of an electoral system that pretends to be free and fair (impossible) (gone undemocratic) (nearly died protesting)
by Cuba 2022 RP » Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:46 am
Spanish leader realises France wasn't at war for the past two months as he had previously thought | The United Socialist Provinces of Central America proclaimed after twelve-day war between the Central American Unification Community and El Salvador, Panama, and Costa Rica | American blockade begins to wane as they also start collapsing | Famine in Cuba as China collapses, America refuses to lift embargo | Israel changes vote in favour of Cuba, America officially condemned by every single country for blockade | Cuban protests real now, not just American colour revolution, says Putin
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 1:58 pm
Cuba 2022 RP wrote:There was a bigger counter-protest against the protest, but of course the American media took footage of the counter-protest, censored the pro-Communist signs, and framed it as part of the protest.
by Cuba 2022 RP » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:00 pm
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Cuba 2022 RP wrote:There was a bigger counter-protest against the protest, but of course the American media took footage of the counter-protest, censored the pro-Communist signs, and framed it as part of the protest.
You sound like a Pro Castro, Pro Cuba government supporter? are you a Pro Castro's, Pro Cuba government supporter?
Spanish leader realises France wasn't at war for the past two months as he had previously thought | The United Socialist Provinces of Central America proclaimed after twelve-day war between the Central American Unification Community and El Salvador, Panama, and Costa Rica | American blockade begins to wane as they also start collapsing | Famine in Cuba as China collapses, America refuses to lift embargo | Israel changes vote in favour of Cuba, America officially condemned by every single country for blockade | Cuban protests real now, not just American colour revolution, says Putin
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:03 pm
Cuba 2022 RP wrote:Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:You sound like a Pro Castro, Pro Cuba government supporter? are you a Pro Castro's, Pro Cuba government supporter?
I am anti-embargo, anti-America. I am not necessarily in support of Cuba’s government, it should democratize and become a multi-party democracy, but it should stay socialist and America should stop embargoing it
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:35 pm
by El Lazaro » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:47 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:where’s the option for people who want cuba to democratize but not turn into a western state?
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 2:48 pm
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:where’s the option for people who want cuba to democratize but not turn into a western state?
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:11 am
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:where’s the option for people who want cuba to democratize but not turn into a western state?
Ill take your post in vote. oh you mean like for you? Please describe in details what you mean by democratize, but not turned into a western state? What Poll options did you vote for if any?
1: Do you mean a European style, multi, political party, socialist government, under under a capitalist economy, as they all are?
2: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with multi political parties?
03: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with a democratic one political party state?
04: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a democratic one political party state?
I argue neither options 2, 3 and 4 are possible, so not on the Poll.
by El Lazaro » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:06 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Ill take your post in vote. oh you mean like for you? Please describe in details what you mean by democratize, but not turned into a western state? What Poll options did you vote for if any?
1: Do you mean a European style, multi, political party, socialist government, under under a capitalist economy, as they all are?
2: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with multi political parties?
03: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with a democratic one political party state?
04: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a democratic one political party state?
I argue neither options 2, 3 and 4 are possible, so not on the Poll.
western states are often plagued by corruption and flawed systems. I dislike single-party states because of how they distribute power. I similarly dislike american-style systems because of how they distribute power. they result in two-party states where the only choice is the lesser evil and where both parties are funded by the rich to keep power far away from the poor. I can’t speak on every western system, but considering they’re fundamentally not all that different from the american system I doubt they’re much better. what I want for cuba is what I want for the west: real political choice. I think socialism could work if it was steered by the people. I don’t think that’s what’s happening now.
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:22 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Ill take your post in vote. oh you mean like for you? Please describe in details what you mean by democratize, but not turned into a western state? What Poll options did you vote for if any?
1: Do you mean a European style, multi, political party, socialist government, under under a capitalist economy, as they all are?
2: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with multi political parties?
03: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a mixed capitalist, socialist economy with a democratic one political party state?
04: Do you mean a democratic socialist nation with a democratic one political party state?
I argue neither options 2, 3 and 4 are possible, so not on the Poll.
western states are often plagued by corruption and flawed systems. I dislike single-party states because of how they distribute power. I similarly dislike american-style systems because of how they distribute power. they result in two-party states where the only choice is the lesser evil and where both parties are funded by the rich to keep power far away from the poor. I can’t speak on every western system, but considering they’re fundamentally not all that different from the american system I doubt they’re much better. what I want for cuba is what I want for the west: real political choice. I think socialism could work if it was steered by the people. I don’t think that’s what’s happening now.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:22 am
El Lazaro wrote:Not everything is about how America is evil and has ruined the entire world.
and even plurality voting systems can produce major third parties.
and a lack of socialism isn’t what causes archaic election rules, out-of-touch third parties
and voters’ lack of interest in alternatives.
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 10:41 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:El Lazaro wrote:Not everything is about how America is evil and has ruined the entire world.
good, because I never said it was.
I seriously doubt that by "western democracy", GMS meant Germany.and even plurality voting systems can produce major third parties.
rarely.and a lack of socialism isn’t what causes archaic election rules, out-of-touch third parties
good, because I never said it was.and voters’ lack of interest in alternatives.
excuse me, what?
by The Jamesian Republic » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:15 am
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:22 am
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why do they change the amount of seats in the legislature? Last time it was 605 seats now it’s down to 474.
by El Lazaro » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:24 am
The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:El Lazaro wrote:Not everything is about how America is evil and has ruined the entire world.
good, because I never said it was.
I seriously doubt that by "western democracy", GMS meant Germany.and even plurality voting systems can produce major third parties.
rarely.and a lack of socialism isn’t what causes archaic election rules, out-of-touch third parties
good, because I never said it was.and voters’ lack of interest in alternatives.
excuse me, what?
by The Jamesian Republic » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:28 am
El Lazaro wrote:The United Penguin Commonwealth wrote:
good, because I never said it was.
I seriously doubt that by "western democracy", GMS meant Germany.
rarely.
good, because I never said it was.
excuse me, what?
GMS is not crazy enough to believe Germany is still a dictatorship, though he is pretty old IIRC.
Then what’s the difference between a Western-style democracy and a liberal democracy that is somehow not Western-style?
by El Lazaro » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:29 am
The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why do they change the amount of seats in the legislature? Last time it was 605 seats now it’s down to 474.
by The Jamesian Republic » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:31 am
El Lazaro wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why do they change the amount of seats in the legislature? Last time it was 605 seats now it’s down to 474.
Given how the elections are predetermined, it probably has something to do with how many political elites they want to keep loyal vs. how much they’re willing to spend on the salaries of cronies.
by Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sat Mar 18, 2023 11:49 am
El Lazaro wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:Why do they change the amount of seats in the legislature? Last time it was 605 seats now it’s down to 474.
Given how the elections are predetermined, it probably has something to do with how many political elites they want to keep loyal vs. how much they’re willing to spend on the salaries of cronies.
“Communist” oligarchies are sort of like the UK Parliament under feudalism. There’s a false pretense that the people actually hold some power, as well as a formalized way to represent the rich and powerful below the dictator, allowing the aristocracy and the head of state to mediate amongst themselves while appearing more legitimate. Sure, the whole thing about having a ridiculously bloated and unelected legislature chosen by the state might seem silly, but it checks out when you realize “socialism” in practice is just a more backwards and authoritarian version of capitalism.
by -Astoria- » Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:29 pm
The Jamesian Republic wrote:El Lazaro wrote:Given how the elections are predetermined, it probably has something to do with how many political elites they want to keep loyal vs. how much they’re willing to spend on the salaries of cronies.
I see a lot of people got a pay cut or were terminated (some cases literally)
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