Nationstates Olympic Games Discussion Thread

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Confirming this. We are still figuring out a few remaining details, but are in advanced stages of putting together our bid.

[New Gelderland]

GLOBEFLOWER and TRETHANTON, New Gelderland and JOONGYEONG, Quebec and Shingoryeo
Candidate Cities for the XVII Olympic Winter Games

The Royal Quebecois Olympic Committee and the New Gelderlish Olympic Committee are officially submitting their bid to co-host the 17th Winter Olympics.

CANDIDATE CITY INFORMATION
New Gelderland
The Eiran Mountains are located in western New Gelderland and form a backbone along the west of the country; streams and springs in the mountains are the sources of two major rivers of New Gelderland, the Talos and the Rogue Rivers. They host a variety of ski resorts and outdoor tourism activities, hence the decision by the NGOC to bid for the Olympics in this region.

Globeflower, named after the alpine flower growing abundantly in the Eiran Mountains, will host alpine skiing, freestyle skiing, and snowboarding events, divided between the Globeflower Highlands Ski Resort and the Cedaredge Ski Resort.

While Trethanton does not have the ski resort vibe that Globeflower does, it hopes to make up for that with its charming town centre along the Great Rushmori River. And its hilly and forested surroundings certainly add to its appeal as a host city for biathlon and cross-country skiing.

Both host cities hosted qualifiers for the XVI Olympic Games. More RP information about the cities can be found here and here.

Trethanton has a small regional airport mainly serving regional jets; the Vaduz Airport, around two hours from Trethanton, will host the anticipated increase in jet traffic. The NGOC will run frequent shuttles between Vaduz, Trethanton, and Globeflower.

Joongyeong

The Royal Quebecois Olympic Committee (RQOC) has submitted Joongyeong, capital city and second-largest city of Quebec and Shingoryeo, for consideration. In the past, Joongyeong has hosted multiple qualifier events of both the Games of the XI Olympiad and the XVI Winter Olympics, and has hosted over several dozen international competitions within the city boundaries.

Joongyeong has freezing, dry winters that stretch from October to April, which includes the cold temperature averaging below -10’C to keep outdoor hockey rinks and skatable inner-city canals safe and frozen. Its weather conditions are also affected by the presence of Fleuve-Saint-Henri, a 800km long, 10km wide river that connects it to Songak, the nation’s biggest city and economic centre to the west, and mouth of the Grinshem Sea to the east, something that that extremes and large swings occurring within the same day.

Due to Joongyeong’s low altitude, Ski Jumping, Nordic Combined and sleigh events will be hosted on the slopes of Mont-Christabel, a ski resort located just 30 kilometres away from heart of Joongyeong, and about half an hour away by public transit and car. Saclay, a suburb of Joongyeong that until recently hosted the IRSEA, national high-performance sports institute, will be hosting the skating events. Parc-Girardot, a major park located in the heart of the Joongyeong’s historic Alexandre-IV District, will be hosting ice hockey events and the ceremonies on its arenas and outdoor venues.

EVENTS & VENUES
We plan to scorinate all events in the post-Beijing base list and all events on the extended list for gender parity. At this time, we do not envision any demonstration events taking place; we feel like past winter demonstration events have not achieved sufficient RP dedication to merit their inclusion.

New Gelderland and Quebec intend to divide the events nearly evenly between the two, with the following being the IC and OOC distribution of events between the two users:

in New Gelderland: 58 events
Globeflower Zone: Alpine skiing, freestyle skiing, snowboarding
Trethanton Zone: Biathlon, cross-country skiing

in Quebec and Shingoryeo: 56 events
Saclay Zone: Speed Skating, Short Track Speed Skating, Figure Skating
Mont-Christabel Zone: Ski Jumping, Nordic Combined, Bobsleigh, Skeleton, Luge
Parc-Girardot: Ice Hockey, MPC, Ceremonies

More venue and IC information will be provided when the RP thread is posted.

EXPERIENCE
New Gelderland has hosted events as five nations - Racao, Kel Assuk, Costa de Ouro, Ceni, and this one. As Racao, he has hosted the Port Louis Rugby Sevens events. As Kel Assuk, he hosted the 3rd Independents Cup with Spaam. As Costa de Ouro, he has hosted the 13th Handball World Cup, the 6th Volleyball World Expo, 1st Fencing Grand Prix, and 3 Astyrian Series of tennis. As Ceni, he hosted World Cup 76 with Electrum, World Cup 79 with Drawkland, the 63rd Cup of Harmony with San Jose Guayabal, the 84th Cup of Harmony with Delaclava, the 61st Baptism of Fire with Red Blackiland, the 41st Copa Rushmori with the Isles of Avon, the 20th International Basketball Championships, 7 editions of the Cenian Open, and 3 editions of the International Tennis Trophy. He has also hosted numerous smaller tennis tournaments with both Costa de Ouro and Ceni. Finally, as New Gelderland, he has co-hosted the Games of the X Olympiad with Electrum, a bevy of qualification events for the Games of the XVI Winter Olympics, and the 23rd Copa Rushmori.

Quebec and Shingoryeo have hosted and cohosted a variety of events. This includes the World Cup 73 and 77, 2 Baptisms of Fire, 2 Cups of Harmony, 6 World Cups of Hockey, 5 International Basketball Championships and 2 World Bowls on a major scale. The most relevant experience for this bid is cohosting the Games of the XVI Olympiad with Electrum, and hosting the qualifier competitions for the XVI Winter Olympics and the Games of the XI Olympiad. Currently, he is currently the President of the World Cup of Hockey Federation, and also serves as Commissioner of the NationStates College Football and the International Volleyball Federation.

SCORINATION DETAILS
Both users will use xkoranate 0.3.3, with the latest batch of Winter Olympic files promulgated by Liventia.

We will adopt the MMAB system used at the last Winter Olympics, hosted by Liventia:

1–10 entries: Full MMAB for any STDEV
11–30 entries: Full MMAB for STDEV of 33.0 or less
31–99 entries: Full MMAB for STDEV of 30.0 or less
100–150 entries: Full MMAB for STDEV of 27.0 or less
151+ entries: Full MMAB for STDEV of 24.0 or less

The roleplay bonus will be weighed by MMAB (20%), roster grade (5%), non-degrading cumulative roleplay score (35%), degrading cumulative roleplay score (40%). RP bonus on the degrading cumulative roleplay score, will never be degraded to zero. By establishing degrading and non-degrading cumulative roleplay scores, the RP bonus is designed to reward quality and the consistency of quality itself.

A broad guideline introduced by Electrum for the XV Summer Olympics, which was also in use when grading RPs for the XV Summer Olympics, will be in use (edited for pronouns and American style of course):

Roleplay marking can be pretty subjective, but here are some of the things which would help you in scoring highly:

• Quality > quantity - a roleplay that can make us laugh or feel emotional or has good sporting analysis/research (especially for more obscure sports), graphics, characterisation, worldbuilding will be marked more highly. Feel free to experiment and be creative.
• Try and roleplay events about or related to the Olympics or its athletes in some way.
• Use all the information provided to provide details: where applicable, refer to team rosters, IC info, sponsorship info, other people's roleplays, etc.
• Respect people's roleplay permissions (usually people post them on the roster thread) -- this includes not godmodding if it's not allowed and being consistent with what other people have roleplayed first.
• Don't give us a list of results -- we scored them! Instead, give information that we don't know. Fill in the blanks and provide context behind the scores. How did the athletes feel? What moves did they do? How did they win or lose? Why did they perform above/below expectations?
• Don't expect to always win. Remember that having a high skill athlete and/or a good roleplay only increases but does not guarantee the chances of a medal.
• Don't tag posts to edit in roleplays later. Once we see a post on the thread, we will score it. If you have anything new to add, do so in a new post and it will be counted.

A 33% RP bonus penalty will apply to delegations with a standard deviation more than three points above the limit, or for any delegation with 11+ entries with a standard deviation over 33.

We will adopt the same policy on unified delegations as Liventia's for the XVI Winter Olympics, which is quoted below:

Combined delegations with multiple NOC codes may be entered only when made up of nations controlled by multiple users. Individual users wishing to enter multiple teams may do so in a single combined delegation with a single NOC code (e.g. the Vilitan Union, VLT) or in the traditional main/puppet format. Users may also enter as part of a combined delegation, which would count as the main delegation, in addition to a puppet with the applicable entry limit. Combined delegations with multiple NOC codes must represent countries which each have their own NationStates account and which have a compelling regional or cultural link between them.

However, we will also adopt the policy on RP bonus for unified delegations as the joint bid between Electrum and Q&S from the Games of the XVII Olympiad, in that any RP submitted by any participant of the unified delegation will count as an RP for all participating trigrams under that unified delegation.

For RPs suspected of having been generated by AI, we will generally adopt the principles adopted by Tumbra and Chromatika in their winning bid for World Cup 93.

The maximum entry limit will be 361 for main nations and unified delegations (enough to enter the maximum number of entries in each event). The maximum entry limit will be 120 for puppets.

For the purposes of the "Rules regarding withdrawing a nation from an NS Sport RP", a nation is considered to have signed up when their entry is accepted by either cohost. Both cohosts will be adding the entries immediately upon accepting them. If nations wish to withdraw, their roleplay bonus will be set to zero without any other intervention. The same procedure is used should a nation cease to exist during the Olympics.

QUALIFICATION SYSTEM

We plan to use a qualification system to reduce the load on all host cities’ hosting infrastructure (read: nobody wants to participate in a 250-person downhill race, for instance). We will follow a similar procedure to that employed by Liventia for the last Winter Games, in terms of final numbers, procedure, and the number of eventual qualifiers.

In case a defending champion is Quebecois or Gelderlish, Quebec and New Gelderland will receive a second guaranteed qualifier to the Games.

This would of course involve soliciting interest from potential hosts in the NSS community, although we will make final decisions on hosts and (not that this should have to be said) a list of venues will not be sufficient to host a qualifying series; we do not anticipate running a regional qualification system at this time.

PROVISIONAL SCHEDULE

10th February: Start signups (or earlier)

At this point, we hope for signups to start as soon as possible after the bidding period ends, with the signup period to last no shorter than one month. Given tentative plans for the World Cup qualifiers to last throughout February, we are aiming for a March Games at this point; concomitantly, we hope to conclude the Games by mid-April at the latest, but an earlier conclusion is certainly within the realm of possibility due to potential RL circumstances from the users involved.

As with the previous Summer Olympics, there will be only one RP cutoff per scorination day, tentatively scheduled to be around 20:00-21:00 EST (1:00-2:00 UTC). In case one of the scorinators is not made available in the evening hours, however, they will be scorinating their respective events in the morning.

We also intend to have several break days interspersed throughout the Games, both for sanity reasons as well as potential RL circumstances.

In the event this bid leads to a successful Winter Olympics, New Gelderland would take up the role of Olympic Council Vice-President.

[Norway-Sweden-Finland]

i'll join the olympic council

[Liventia]

i'll join the olympic council

Membership of the Olympic Council is earned by participating (signing up for) an NS Olympic Winter Games or Games of the Olympiad, whenever that happens. It's not something you can just join.

[Srednjaci]

Yeeeiii Olympics, )))))
I like Olympics very much! Yes sir, yes yes sir

[Srednjaci]

This bid is totally fine to me. No questions for now.

[Electrum]

Bid acknowledged. I'll give a week for questions/other competing bids before starting the vote.

[Liventia]

Can the bidders expand a bit on the qualification process and what, if any, changes this would entail from last Winter Olympics?

By my understanding, there will always be at least one athlete per host nation per event (no change to last year), but always two if one of them is the defending champion (a significant change)?

[New Gelderland]

Can the bidders expand a bit on the qualification process and what, if any, changes this would entail from last Winter Olympics?

By my understanding, there will always be at least one athlete per host nation per event (no change to last year), but always two if one of them is the defending champion (a significant change)?

Pretty much the only change to qualification from last year's event would be the provision that the hosts would receive an automatic qualifier above and beyond the defending champion, yes. We will also divide qualification events among the two of us for our respective events as "Olympic Test Events," but this is more an IC provision than an OOC one.

I don't think it is an unreasonable change in terms of autoquals, to be honest. Combined, New Gelderland and Quebec have 18 defending champions from last Olympic Games; four of them are in events where they would not receive an additional entry (e.g. team events and relays where there will be no "wild card" qualification). From the perspective of a non-host entry, this would not affect chances of qualification as compared to an event with two host nation entries and a defending champion entry. If this poses a concern, we will be more than happy to lean on the side of a slightly bigger field in the 14 events where this provision would be in effect.

Also, to clarify something related to this point: we do not intend to give each other full host bonus in the other nation, e.g. New Gelderlish athletes in the ice events and Quebecois athletes in the snow events.

[Liventia]

I don't think it is an unreasonable change in terms of autoquals, to be honest. Combined, New Gelderland and Quebec have 18 defending champions from last Olympic Games; four of them are in events where they would not receive an additional entry (e.g. team events and relays where there will be no "wild card" qualification). From the perspective of a non-host entry, this would not affect chances of qualification as compared to an event with two host nation entries and a defending champion entry. If this poses a concern, we will be more than happy to lean on the side of a slightly bigger field in the 14 events where this provision would be in effect.

I can only speak for myself, but the intent of host auto-qualification last time out was for parity with the real-life host quota of 1 entry in every event not already qualified for (hence Liventian defending champions were considered the automatic host qualifier by default). I don't personally see a need for the extra "free" qualifier; while obviously not a deal-breaker, it's just not something I completely understand the rationale behind.

Also, to clarify something related to this point: we do not intend to give each other full host bonus in the other nation, e.g. New Gelderlish athletes in the ice events and Quebecois athletes in the snow events.

How do you intend to do this? This would necessarily suggest different sets of scorinator bonus inputs will be used for each host, rather than a single unified set of bonus inputs as has (I think always) been the case. Not for or against this (yet), just interested in how you see this working.

[New Gelderland]

I'll leave the other part unresponded to for now to let my co-host have time to respond, so I'll just take this question for now:

How do you intend to do this? This would necessarily suggest different sets of scorinator bonus inputs will be used for each host, rather than a single unified set of bonus inputs as has (I think always) been the case. Not for or against this (yet), just interested in how you see this working.

Electrum and I did the same thing when we hosted X, and I believe Quebec & Shingoryeo and Electrum did a similar procedure for the last Summer Olympics as well. To quote from our bid all those years ago...

Each nation will consider RPs between NG’s cutoffs (to ensure consistency), and will mark each RP independently (Electrum results will come a few hours after NG’s). For events that are scorinated within their nations, they will have the maximum bonus, whereas for athletes that are scored by the other nation, then the host bonus will be equivalent to 75% of the top (non MMAB) bonus in the other, plus MMAB.

The idea is a similar system here.

[Liventia]

Split host bonuses sound fine to me under that procedure.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Thank you for pointing it out, Liv.

Given the importance to stay on parity with the real-life host quota, we have decided to alter our bid. There will be only one host entry in every event not already qualified through qualifier events or defending champions.

'A question, in what event would you personally use a qualification system based on regions?
I actually really liked that idea from a few years ago and would love to see that brought back idk.'

Thank you for this question. Our stance on the regional qualification system's made clear here:

This would of course involve soliciting interest from potential hosts in the NSS community, although we will make final decisions on hosts and (not that this should have to be said) a list of venues will not be sufficient to host a qualifying series; we do not anticipate running a regional qualification system at this time.

There are various reasons behind us not planning to the regional qualification system this time, which was only introduced for XI Summer and not on the XVI Winter, and much of it are to do with demand and logistics. More often than not it comes down to soliciting hosts' interests, and some regions naturally have more participants in the Olympics than others, summer or winter. At least in recent memory, I recall Rushmore being miles ahead of Atlantian Oceania and Anaia in nations participating, with Esportiva slightly behind them. Then there are also nations outside of so-called 'sporting regions' who nonetheless consist a significant part of the Olympics experience.

But not all regions will have more than enough number of qualification hosts. If anything from the previous Olympic qualification suggests, it may be that holding an extensive, regional qualification system may end up adding more work to the cohosts on a non-Olympic year's Winter games, which I, based on the relatively low number of nations signed up for the Summer Olympics, do not know if enough demand can be captured.

With that said, this is not to say that I am ruling these possibilities out for the future. I could see working it out well on a Summer Olympics on an RL Olympic year where there would be lot more participants than in usual years to make it more reasonable to hold them. So perhaps that's something to note as well - never say never.

Also adding a separate note: Ice hockey events at the Olympics will follow the IIHF rules and will include shootouts. I am aware that my personal opinions about shootouts, are well-known over the years, and they remain to this day. That said, the focus is to stay as close to the RL as possible, and this is no exception with ice hockey.

[Kelssek]

I really don't understand this qualification issue. If the purpose is to have fewer competitors, it's a lot easier to just have smaller event entry limits. Off the top of my head nothing stops a host from limiting each NOC to one downhill racer rather than four.

That's given the purpose aimed at is a good idea, but I don't understand is why there's a need to do this? Qualifications might be useful to cut host workload, but there's two of you, and in my experience the number of entrants is not the biggest factor in the workload, there's very low marginal cost compared to the fixed cost of running the events in the first place. In terms of realism in RP, it's a lot easier to handwave 200 downhill competitors than a co-hosted Olympics (which for some people means characters they want to interact might be inconveniently very far apart). They also mean people make up names and then have their entrants, in-universe, not even go to the Olympics at all.

It's not a hard no, but it just doesn't make sense and whatever the case I certainly would rather hosts not do this kind of thing. Generally, there's also a weird mixing between IC and OOC things here I can't quite sort out.

Region-based qualifiers are a red line for me, I would vote against any bid that proposed that.

[Kelssek]

Sorry to bump with another issue. Rosters are only really needed for ice hockey and curling, and in the latter a lack of names isn't much of a stumbling block for others to RP around.

1) Is this really worth being a separate component of RP bonus?
2) If you don't enter those events and don't post a roster, would you get the bonus?

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

Sorry to bump with another issue. Rosters are only really needed for ice hockey and curling, and in the latter a lack of names isn't much of a stumbling block for others to RP around.

1) Is this really worth being a separate component of RP bonus?
2) If you don't enter those events and don't post a roster, would you get the bonus?

Thanks for pointing this out. Oversight on our part.

Looking back to XVI the roster posts there tended to focus on four team rosters, that being the two events you mentioned and two demonstration events (which this bid does not plan to introduce either) in Bandy and Snow Volleyball. Usually, they are joined by team jerseys/uniforms, flagbearer info and judges/officials and all that jazz, but predominantly those two cover the roster posts.

With this in mind, we have decided to alter that section of our bid by removing the roster section. The roleplay bonus will be weighed by MMAB (20%), non-degrading cumulative roleplay score (40%), and degrading cumulative roleplay score (40%).

[Electrum]

Voting now open. Details here.

[Kelssek]

I know this is not a lot of time and some people might have already voted. But I think the qualifiers thing is important to discuss regardless, if only because it helps me (and others) understand what people want should I (or others) host in future.

1) Are qualifiers necessary? Are they preferable? What is wrong with having no qualifiers?
2) If the answer to 1) is that we have unrealistically large numbers of entrants, is qualifiers preferable to reducing the number of entries per event that an NOC may submit? For example 1 alpine skiing downhill entrant instead of 4, one men's 100m freestyle entrant instead of two.

[New Gelderland]

I know this is not a lot of time and some people might have already voted. But I think the qualifiers thing is important to discuss regardless, if only because it helps me (and others) understand what people want should I (or others) host in future.

1) Are qualifiers necessary? Are they preferable? What is wrong with having no qualifiers?
2) If the answer to 1) is that we have unrealistically large numbers of entrants, is qualifiers preferable to reducing the number of entries per event that an NOC may submit? For example 1 alpine skiing downhill entrant instead of 4, one men's 100m freestyle entrant instead of two.

From an OOC perspective, qualifiers help to widen the pool of potential Olympic hosts by giving other users the opportunity to host on a smaller scale before jumping into a bigger Olympics. I would also argue that qualifiers add to the realism of the Games by mirroring the various tournaments and procedures necessary to qualify for the Olympics IRL. From an IC perspective, yes, it does help to reduce the unrealistically large number of entrants, but it also allows for Olympic test events to be formalized and RPed instead of being shoehorned to a domestic thread where they probably won't be read.

Are they strictly necessary from an OOC perspective? Clearly not, since we've run multiple Winter Olympics successfully without them. Do they present benefits as compared to having no qualifiers? I think so.

As to the second question, I'm not sure the solution is to reduce entry limits. Take downhill skiing, for instance: At the 2022 RL Olympic Games, there were 43 entrants who competed in the main event. At the last NS Winter Olympics, there were 53 NOCs that entered. Assuming that all NOCs would enter one downhill skiier (just for the sake of example here), that's still larger than the RL event — whether 53 is "too big" is a different question altogether, of course. But IRL, some nations that had stronger skiing programs had more than one entrant in the downhill skiing, and I'm sure that multiple athletes from NOCs had some hopes of qualifying for the Games. I do think the larger entry limits allow for more fertile RPing ground and a bit more realism, in both IC and OOC aspects.

In terms of a middle ground if you are concerned about host workload, a more formalized test event system may also work in terms of allowing NOCs to enter a full contingent with entry limits as they stand, in my opinion.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

My cohost has covered most of the grounds needed, so I'll be just adding a couple more:

From an OOC perspective, qualifiers help to widen the pool of potential Olympic hosts by giving other users the opportunity to host on a smaller scale before jumping into a bigger Olympics.

Considering the relative scarcity of hosts for multi-sport competitions, I cannot emphasise this part enough.

In past, there have been a few NSS users who have hosted multiple World Cups, not to mention hosting many international championships as a minimum but have not been able to translate their interests beyond due to various reasons that are to do with the competition's scale and relative intimidation factor it provides.

It provides a foray for those interested in hosting multi-sport competitions, and that alone would make the opportunity worth it in my view as well. Two of the hosts - Vekaiyu and myself - from the XI Summer would go on to cohost a Summer Olympics in subsequent years, for example.

I would also argue that qualifiers add to the realism of the Games by mirroring the various tournaments and procedures necessary to qualify for the Olympics IRL. From an IC perspective, yes, it does help to reduce the unrealistically large number of entrants, but it also allows for Olympic test events to be formalized and RPed instead of being shoehorned to a domestic thread where they probably won't be read.

This is a good point I would like to mention. Often we have the habit of falling into the trap of roleplaying that the pair/athlete is a national champion or finalist and that they may be ready to go.

This isn't always the case IRL where many sports with relatively less coverage do have a long international calendar that goes on a year-round basis, which helps to establish qualification records/numbers and whatnot. So bridging the gap, at least on NSS capacity between or before an Olympics, becomes a challenge with relative lack of it. There was one instance before a Summer Olympics where Graintfjall ran GS SuperSports+ Events Series that, while not serving any official capacity, provided additional realism to the Games and its participants. I would argue that the Qualifiers add similar benefits in terms of RP perspectives, as it provides rough RP background where needed for the athletes.

[Kelssek]

So when you say test event, I think you mean a competition that leads to Olympic qualification, rather than those held shortly before the real Olympics to test the hosting infrastructure (which may have qualification on the line, but not necessarily)?

I think it would be awesome if we could link up the Olympics and a slate of world championships and qualification events in various sports. It could even be an option to use existing events, with caveats that they were run properly and were open to all participants. But is there enough interest, and people both willing and capable to host them? The Global Athletics Tour had about the best case scenario of a high-profile Olympic sport run by a reputable host, and it's been suspended for lack of participation. I have run similar efforts in alpine skiing and aquatics before. I may be wrong, maybe the carrot of an advantage in the Olympics might spur people to join, but on the current evidence I don't think it would be a worthwhile effort. Can it also be done fairly, in a way that doesn't disadvantage new participants or people who just (want to) sign up for the Olympics?

In short, it would be nice, and I'm open to be convinced, but I think this is wildly impractical.

[New Gelderland]

So when you say test event, I think you mean a competition that leads to Olympic qualification, rather than those held shortly before the real Olympics to test the hosting infrastructure (which may have qualification on the line, but not necessarily)?

Correct.

I think it would be awesome if we could link up the Olympics and a slate of world championships and qualification events in various sports. It could even be an option to use existing events, with caveats that they were run properly and were open to all participants. But is there enough interest, and people both willing and capable to host them? The Global Athletics Tour had about the best case scenario of a high-profile Olympic sport run by a reputable host, and it's been suspended for lack of participation. I have run similar efforts in alpine skiing and aquatics before. I may be wrong, maybe the carrot of an advantage in the Olympics might spur people to join, but on the current evidence I don't think it would be a worthwhile effort. Can it also be done fairly, in a way that doesn't disadvantage new participants or people who just (want to) sign up for the Olympics?

In short, it would be nice, and I'm open to be convinced, but I think this is wildly impractical.

I don't think Quebec is necessarily arguing that that infrastructure is necessary, but rather that qualification events explicitly tied up with the Olympics would serve a similar purpose. But I'll let him flesh out his post in more detail as well.

[Quebec and Shingoryeo]

New Gelderland's correct in what I was going for, as we were not proposing for a slate of world championships to pop up specifically for qualification purposes. It would only add more work for the cohosts and possibly qualification hosts for a relatively low return, with or without an olympic boost adding to participation/RP level, and thus would be impractical.

I would also like to be clear that with the GS+ SuperSport Series, Graintfjall made it clear on the post that these events "have no official status and I am not claiming them to be Olympic qualifiers or test events, or World Championships". Likewise goes Chromatika's Black Arrow series for archery. These events provide the benefits of providing RP background, and they may provide similar benefits in terms of RP perspectives as qualification events would, but they are no substitutes for a world championship that is consistently run.

Note: From what I recall the Global Athletics Tour had the issue of competition running into the World Cup Qualification, followed by WC/CoH proper and a wave of tournaments that would start around then. It's nothing new, and rather a sign that we as a community should stop equivocating World Cup Qualification as a sign to stop running or roleplaying tournaments other than the World Cup, but that goes into another territory that is better discussed elsewhere.

[Electrum]

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[New Gelderland]

We thank the voters for their confidence in our bid, and we do hope to win over the one voter who wished to reopen bidding.

At this point, we foresee signups going up on Monday with a one month signup period (give or take). Given the schedule for World Cup qualifying, we are aiming for an early March start to get the window between World Cup Qualifying and World Cup Finals. Final schedule is of course TBD and dependent on the final RL schedules of both hosts.