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Postby Enaia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:03 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?

Wasnt it "The end" when russia was marching on Kiev? nope.

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:07 am

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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:20 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?

Until we get a source that isn't Russia (or Ukraine to a lesser degree) confirming the takeover of these areas I'd be skeptical of these sources. However, it'd be a concerning development for Ukraine, considering that people have speculated a Zaporizhzhia Offensive for months now.

EDIT: Forgot to add this in but I personally am not too concerned about a possible end for Ukraine's victories (unless giant mushrooms start rising from the ashes of Lviv)
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Postby Theodores Tomfooleries » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:20 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?

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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:40 am

There is a large-scale offensive in the region of Zaporozhye.

Hopefully, these reports of victories are not an exaggeration.
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Postby Portzania » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:40 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?


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Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, January 19th, 2023

Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 9:56 am

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  1. Senior Kremlin officials continue holding high-level meetings with Belarusian national leadership – activity that could be setting conditions for a Russian attack against Ukraine from Belarus, although not necessarily and not in the coming weeks.
  2. The most dangerous course of action (MDCOA) of a new Russian attack against Ukraine from Belarus in early 2023 seems less likely given current Russian military activity in Belarus. A new MDCOA of an attack from Belarus in late 2023 seems more likely.
  3. Russia’s nationalist military bloggers continue to criticize the idea of Russian forces attacking Ukraine from Belarus.
  4. Lavrov attacked the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE), underscoring the infeasibility of the Kremlin supporting a third Minsk-type agreement.
  5. Lukashenko continues to balance against the Kremlin by framing Belarus as a sovereign state within the Russia-dominated Union State.
  6. The Kremlin is intensifying its information operation to promote a false narrative that the war will escalate if Ukraine receives weapons capable of striking Russian forces in occupied Crimea.
  7. Peskov’s threats are part of a Russian information operation designed to discourage Western support to Ukraine and do not correspond to Russia’s actual capabilities to escalate against the West.
  8. The Kremlin is also very unlikely to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine and extraordinarily unlikely to use them against the West despite consistently leaning on tired nuclear escalation threats.
  9. Russian President Vladimir Putin is increasingly siding with the adversaries of Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin, likely in an ongoing effort to degrade Prigozhin’s influence in Russia.
  10. Prigozhin nevertheless continues to use claims about the Wagner Group’s tactical success to elevate his position, likely deepening a conflict with the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) for influence in the Russian information space.
  11. Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov reportedly declared that the Wagner Group does not belong in the structure of the Russian Armed Forces.
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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:29 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:There is a large-scale offensive in the region of Zaporozhye.

Hopefully, these reports of victories are not an exaggeration.

Why would the validity of these claims be of concern?
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:54 am

western imperialists in shambles: RUSSIA begins a STUNNING COMEBACK!
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:45 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?

Names of settlements, please.

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Postby Mountains and Volcanoes » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:46 am

Free Algerstonia wrote:western imperialists in shambles: RUSSIA begins a STUNNING COMEBACK!
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 11:56 am

Northern Seleucia wrote:[*]Lukashenko continues to balance against the Kremlin by framing Belarus as a sovereign state within the Russia-dominated Union State.

Lukashenko, he is a wild man.

[*]Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov reportedly declared that the Wagner Group does not belong in the structure of the Russian Armed Forces.

Gerasimov ought not to throw the help of Wagner back in their faces.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:10 pm

Glagoly wrote:
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:According to Russian sources up to 8 localities have been “liberated” in the zaporozhia region today.

Is this the end?

Names of settlements, please.


theres a map though not a single news source is reporting engagements or troop movements. Too early to be sure, but this is likely a farce tied to the internal political strife with Wagner. Wagner takes one settlement, so naturally the Russian Military has to take 8, so as not to be out done by mercenary scum.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:11 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:[*]Lukashenko continues to balance against the Kremlin by framing Belarus as a sovereign state within the Russia-dominated Union State.

Lukashenko, he is a wild man.

[*]Chief of the General Staff Army General Valery Gerasimov reportedly declared that the Wagner Group does not belong in the structure of the Russian Armed Forces.

Gerasimov ought not to throw the help of Wagner back in their faces.

I thought Wagner wasn't affiliated with the Russian State? :p
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:13 pm

Fahran wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Lukashenko, he is a wild man.


Gerasimov ought not to throw the help of Wagner back in their faces.

I thought Wagner wasn't affiliated with the Russian State? :p

I have said too much :rofl:

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Glagoly wrote:Names of settlements, please.


theres a map though not a single news source is reporting engagements or troop movements. Too early to be sure, but this is likely a farce tied to the internal political strife with Wagner. Wagner takes one settlement, so naturally the Russian Military has to take 8, so as not to be out done by mercenary scum.

Watch your language! Wagner are not scum.
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Postby Fahran » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:18 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I have said too much :rofl:

Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:22 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:Watch your language! Wagner are not scum.

Wagner is an ordinary prisoners, executioners, and rapists. But what is there, even Prigozhin himself is a former convict.

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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:23 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:I thought Wagner wasn't affiliated with the Russian State? :p

I have said too much :rofl:

Tarsonis wrote:
theres a map though not a single news source is reporting engagements or troop movements. Too early to be sure, but this is likely a farce tied to the internal political strife with Wagner. Wagner takes one settlement, so naturally the Russian Military has to take 8, so as not to be out done by mercenary scum.

Watch your language! Wagner are not scum.

Wagner are scum. Their only purpose is to gain more land and kill for the coward (Putin) who sits on top.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:24 pm

Fahran wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I have said too much :rofl:

Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:25 pm

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Fahran wrote:Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

Yes, yes, we get it, you think slaughtering defenseless civilians, destroying schools and hospitals, and kidnapping children is morally fine. You've repeated yourself I don't know how much.
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:27 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

Crimea in 2014 was also self-defence, wasn't it?
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Postby Utquiagvik » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:29 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Fahran wrote:Perhaps. I think you would be better served simply shooting from the hip. You largely support the Russian invasion. It's just not a very morally... elevated decision or position.

I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

1. It’s not a “special military operation”, its a war. A special name given by Putin doesn’t change the fact that its a brutal, genocidal war of conquest.
2. How is Invading a sovereign nation self-defense? Literally nothing is morally correct about this war. Russia slaughters the innocent without hesitation.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:29 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

Yes, yes, we get it, you think slaughtering defenseless civilians, destroying schools and hospitals, and kidnapping children is morally fine. You've repeated yourself I don't know how much.

Do not get ahead of yourself. I have consistently opposed war crimes.
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:31 pm

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I am "joking around" with you.

I support the SMO and Russian self-defense, which is morally correct.

I offer a condition. In 8 months, I sign up as a volunteer and go to the front. And you, in turn, also go as a volunteer, you can even go to Wagner. Then I was at AZOV. If we are in the same direction, we will try to kill each other. Such a gentleman's duel.

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Postby Rusozak » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:32 pm

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Tarsonis wrote:
theres a map though not a single news source is reporting engagements or troop movements. Too early to be sure, but this is likely a farce tied to the internal political strife with Wagner. Wagner takes one settlement, so naturally the Russian Military has to take 8, so as not to be out done by mercenary scum.

Watch your language! Wagner are not scum.


Oh, so a roving horde of neo-Nazi war criminals is fine so long as they answer to Fuhrer Putin, got it.
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