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The Farting Country
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Postby The Farting Country » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:59 pm

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:There are no patriotic solutions to global issues, so the patriot often prefers to believe that there are no such things as global issues.

As a non-westerner I think Brussels is closer to the government that we will need in the future than D.C. is. I mean, it's not close, but it's closer.

Judge a system by its fruits, in this case literally. Under the Constitution, we had affordable food on the shelves. Under the Globalist Deep State, we do not.


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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:11 am

Perikuresu wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:“You win some and you lose others”, as the phrase reads.

Ideally, we need to be winning all of them.

I mean, strategic retreats are a pretty easy way to consolidate and preserve current forces whilst being able to hold ground that's easily defendable.

(Or alternatively you can redirect more men to other more important fronts. As much as it is a joke, the fact that Russia retreated from Kherson was a strategic retreat so it could conserve it's best men that were stuck in the region + the area left of the Dnipro was pretty much cut off when Ukraine destroyed the Antonovsky bridge, ik pontoon bridges exist but it's not as effective at transporting supplies to the Russian forces there.)

When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:15 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:I mean, strategic retreats are a pretty easy way to consolidate and preserve current forces whilst being able to hold ground that's easily defendable.

(Or alternatively you can redirect more men to other more important fronts. As much as it is a joke, the fact that Russia retreated from Kherson was a strategic retreat so it could conserve it's best men that were stuck in the region + the area left of the Dnipro was pretty much cut off when Ukraine destroyed the Antonovsky bridge, ik pontoon bridges exist but it's not as effective at transporting supplies to the Russian forces there.)

When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.


Ukraine thanks the Russian troops for all the tanks, vehicles and other munitions they left behind in their "strategic" retreat.
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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:20 am

Tarsonis wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.


Ukraine thanks the Russian troops for all the tanks, vehicles and other munitions they left behind in their "strategic" retreat.

Their retreat from Kherson was not as catastrophic as their retreat in Kharkiv. The reason that Russia took so long to retreat and Ukraine took so long to move in was because Russia spent their time destroying equipment, setting up mines or booby traps and basically demolishing the energy infrastructure in Kherson.

Whatever amount of weapons they found in Kherson was most likely destroyed rather than quickly left behind as seen in Kharkiv.
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:28 am

Perikuresu wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Ukraine thanks the Russian troops for all the tanks, vehicles and other munitions they left behind in their "strategic" retreat.

Their retreat from Kherson was not as catastrophic as their retreat in Kharkiv. The reason that Russia took so long to retreat and Ukraine took so long to move in was because Russia spent their time destroying equipment, setting up mines or booby traps and basically demolishing the energy infrastructure in Kherson.

Whatever amount of weapons they found in Kherson was most likely destroyed rather than quickly left behind as seen in Kharkiv.


Fair, Russias had so many blundering losses it kind of blurrs together. I will agree with the Russians that the retreat from Kherson was necessary. For no other reason than it moved Ukrainian forces in range of striking military targets on Crimea. Thanks for the assist boys.
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Postby Perikuresu » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:35 am

Tarsonis wrote:Fair, Russias had so many blundering losses it kind of blurrs together. I will agree with the Russians that the retreat from Kherson was necessary. For no other reason than it moved Ukrainian forces in range of striking military targets on Crimea. Thanks for the assist boys.

Crimea will definitely be in trouble when Ukraine launches their Zaporizhzhia Offensive begins and they retake Melitopol, which is the only other closest route to resupply Crimea after the Kerch bridge exploded (ik it's back to operations for civilian use but I'm not sure about big trucks)

I try not to be some sorta military armchair redditor but in the worst case scenario (assuming Ukraine takes off the southern front from the Donbas), it'd be like the Kherson retreat but on steroids, and those steroids weren't applied properly and you get the worst side effects
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:40 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:I mean, strategic retreats are a pretty easy way to consolidate and preserve current forces whilst being able to hold ground that's easily defendable.

(Or alternatively you can redirect more men to other more important fronts. As much as it is a joke, the fact that Russia retreated from Kherson was a strategic retreat so it could conserve it's best men that were stuck in the region + the area left of the Dnipro was pretty much cut off when Ukraine destroyed the Antonovsky bridge, ik pontoon bridges exist but it's not as effective at transporting supplies to the Russian forces there.)

When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.

And here is the difference between us. Do you know how I felt when Kherson was liberated? Nothing. Zero. As well as when he was captured. Just like when Lysychansk was captured, or when there was a counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast. I live here at war. The day before yesterday I was in the Dnipro, I put flowers on the rubble. I paid my respects. But I didn't feel a damn thing.

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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:50 am

Glagoly wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.

And here is the difference between us. Do you know how I felt when Kherson was liberated? Nothing. Zero. As well as when he was captured. Just like when Lysychansk was captured, or when there was a counteroffensive in Kharkiv Oblast. I live here at war. The day before yesterday I was in the Dnipro, I put flowers on the rubble. I paid my respects. But I didn't feel a damn thing.


Well now I know why URFR is afraid to acknowledge you.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:56 am

Tarsonis wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.


Ukraine thanks the Russian troops for all the tanks, vehicles and other munitions they left behind in their "strategic" retreat.

You are welcome!
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:56 am

meanwhile im just disappointed that certain people aren't going on a hitler-tier rant about defending every last inch of "Russian" territory.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:01 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:meanwhile im just disappointed that [i]certain people[/url] aren't going on a hitler-tier rant about defending every last inch of "Russian" territory.

I hope that you are not trying to insinuate that I would do this.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:03 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:meanwhile im just disappointed that [i]certain people[/url] aren't going on a hitler-tier rant about defending every last inch of "Russian" territory.

I hope that you are not trying to insinuate that I would do this.

https://youtu.be/a1MuMIyIDyk
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Postby Tarsonis » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:05 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:meanwhile im just disappointed that certain people aren't going on a hitler-tier rant about defending every last inch of "Russian" territory.


Russia should defend every last inch of Russian territory, So long as they do it in Russa, and not Ukraine.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:07 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
United Russian Federal Republic wrote:I hope that you are not trying to insinuate that I would do this.

https://youtu.be/a1MuMIyIDyk

I do not appreciate the comparison of President Putin to Hitler.

Nonetheless, those videos have always been funny!
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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:09 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://youtu.be/a1MuMIyIDyk

I do not appreciate the comparison of President Putin to Hitler.

Nonetheless, those videos have always been funny!

When "Moskva" sank, he broke several vases. He actually looked the same. Also, he often indulges in profanity with his generals.

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Postby Glagoly » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:15 am

Although, you know, all my friends and I will look like this in Crimea. I don't want to sound weak now, I've already opened up too much to you, but damn, I totally understand that man in the video.

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Postby United Calanworie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:36 am

Debate Proxy 1 wrote:
Northern Socialist Council Republics wrote:There are no patriotic solutions to global issues, so the patriot often prefers to believe that there are no such things as global issues.

As a non-westerner I think Brussels is closer to the government that we will need in the future than D.C. is. I mean, it's not close, but it's closer.

Judge a system by its fruits, in this case literally. Under the Constitution, we had affordable food on the shelves. Under the Globalist Deep State, we do not.

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"...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
You are such a crybaby [...] all you do is lock threads and be a bitch to people, nobody likes you, you aren’t cool, you lock every thread for stupid reasons, often times not giving a reason, [...] all you do is sit on your computer all day on NationStates, locking threads at a rate 5x higher than any other mod [...] stop trying so hard to impress people, literally nobody like you.
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Postby United Calanworie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 1:37 am

The Farting Country wrote:
Debate Proxy 1 wrote:Judge a system by its fruits, in this case literally. Under the Constitution, we had affordable food on the shelves. Under the Globalist Deep State, we do not.


Please try to keep things on topic. Or i WILL fart on you.

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"...that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."
You are such a crybaby [...] all you do is lock threads and be a bitch to people, nobody likes you, you aren’t cool, you lock every thread for stupid reasons, often times not giving a reason, [...] all you do is sit on your computer all day on NationStates, locking threads at a rate 5x higher than any other mod [...] stop trying so hard to impress people, literally nobody like you.
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Postby Fifth Jellian Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:08 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Perikuresu wrote:I mean, strategic retreats are a pretty easy way to consolidate and preserve current forces whilst being able to hold ground that's easily defendable.

(Or alternatively you can redirect more men to other more important fronts. As much as it is a joke, the fact that Russia retreated from Kherson was a strategic retreat so it could conserve it's best men that were stuck in the region + the area left of the Dnipro was pretty much cut off when Ukraine destroyed the Antonovsky bridge, ik pontoon bridges exist but it's not as effective at transporting supplies to the Russian forces there.)

When Kherson was lost, I was despondent. It was like that well-known scene from “Tom and Jerry”, where Tom is sat on the rail line, waiting to be struck and killed by a train.

But now, I realise that the retreat was necessary, as you say.

It was necessary because Russia was loosing then.
And is loosing now.
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Postby The Selkie » Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:16 am

You all know about the big meeting in Ramstein right now, right? Germany's new minister of defense, Boris Pistorius, has said in an interview with ARD, that he would not know of any deal, that would say that the Americans would have to deliver Abrams before Germany delivers Leopards.
Meanwhile, Poland is thinking about giving their tanks anyway.
And apparently, the Americans are sending Strykers.
Well, here's to hoping, that the German Government indeed comes to a, hopefully positive, decision.
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Postby Marnrio » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:07 am

The Selkie wrote:You all know about the big meeting in Ramstein right now, right? Germany's new minister of defense, Boris Pistorius, has said in an interview with ARD, that he would not know of any deal, that would say that the Americans would have to deliver Abrams before Germany delivers Leopards.
Meanwhile, Poland is thinking about giving their tanks anyway.
And apparently, the Americans are sending Strykers.
Well, here's to hoping, that the German Government indeed comes to a, hopefully positive, decision.
(Article in German.)

Did they predict the decisions of the outcomes of sending in tanks to support Ukraine?
Like i meant, which type of tank gets delivered first to support Ukraine?
and yes, I do know that he would not know of any deal, since patience is a virtue.
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Postby United Russian Federal Republic » Fri Jan 20, 2023 3:25 am

Reportedly a Ukrainian ammunition dump was smacked with an air strike yesterday, in Kherson.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:50 am

Vistulange wrote:
Northern Seleucia wrote:I'm an American patriot, I have a flag on my house, my dad's car has veteran license plates, and I'm going through the Military Entrance process for the Army.
Anti-Globalism and Deep State talk is not patriotism, it's InfoWars.

I'm wheezing. This is such a fucking stereotypically American post that I'm not sure if it's satire or serious, even coming from you.

I wish I was joking now that you mention it...but alas I am not.
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Postby Northern Seleucia » Fri Jan 20, 2023 4:56 am

Sweden will be sending...:
  • Archer Artillery System
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  • NLAW anti-tank missiles

...to Ukraine.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Fri Jan 20, 2023 5:02 am

United Russian Federal Republic wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:https://youtu.be/a1MuMIyIDyk

I do not appreciate the comparison of President Putin to Hitler.

Nonetheless, those videos have always been funny!


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