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Of the current likely GOP primary crop, who's your presidential preference?

Donald Trump
45
13%
Ron DeSantis
49
14%
Nikki Haley
9
3%
Mike Pence
9
3%
Chris Sununu
27
8%
None of the Above(I have another Republican in mind)
12
3%
None of the Above(I'm not a Republican)
188
54%
Other
11
3%
 
Total votes : 350

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https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/lo ... t/3462107/

Court Agrees With Major Point in Philadelphia DA Krasner's Lawsuit Against Impeachment

In the order, Democratic Judge Ellen Ceisler wrote that none of the seven articles of impeachment against Krasner rose to the impeachable standard of “misbehavior in office.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:23 am

Neutraligon wrote:Wish I knew what the count was so far.

NS Batman, on CSPAN they have a running count:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?525065-1/ ... se-speaker
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Postby Loeje » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:25 am

Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:26 am

Loeje wrote:Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?

Because he is a far-right extremist and they are also far-right extremists?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:26 am

Loeje wrote:Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?


They don’t want McCarthy to be speaker. I hope this goes ballot after ballot for weeks.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:27 am

Loeje wrote:Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?

From a Conservative Republican: Because Jim Jordan is an American Conservative Republican Patriot of the USA.

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Postby Loeje » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:27 am

Nora Xent wrote:
Loeje wrote:Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?

Because he is a far-right extremist and they are also far-right extremists?

Don't they have Biggs for that?

San Lumen wrote:
Loeje wrote:Can someone please explain to me why people keep voting for Jim Jordan?


They don’t want McCarthy to be speaker. I hope this goes ballot after ballot for weeks.

We need a speaker for a functional government, so we should all hope that this goes quickly.
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Postby Nora Xent » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:28 am

Loeje wrote:
Nora Xent wrote:Because he is a far-right extremist and they are also far-right extremists?

Don't they have Biggs for that?

San Lumen wrote:
They don’t want McCarthy to be speaker. I hope this goes ballot after ballot for weeks.

We need a speaker for a functional government, so we should all hope that this goes quickly.

But he is a slightly DIFFERENT far-right extremist/

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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:30 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
-Astoria- wrote:Can you name for us some of these "old-time family values"?

God, Manners, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA. Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't Make them Like President Ronald Reagan Any More.


I never understood this need to return to the 50s. There are many problems with your “old fashioned family values”

For one thing. CRT wasn’t a thing so bringing it up is invalid. That is of course you want only the myths (ie the puritans in search of religious freedom, slavery wasn’t that bad, etc.). Still…

Reagan was an actor. He was good a presenting an image. He was highly flawed as well. Many of his staff was convicted/charged of various crimes. His handling of AIDs. The first massive job exportation….

DeSantis is not “old fashioned family values”. He is a bully by nature and is using the hatred fueled by the Trump era for his own gain. Still…he probably would of fit in the 50’s with his hate and rhetoric. He is basically a smarter version of trump…..well a little more smarter. Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?

Maga and trump are not part of the 50’s family values. In fact he would have been punished by those people.

Now as the rest of the list?

God - Why do we need to ratchet up homophobia and issues of interracial relationships? There was a great deal of hate in the name of God. It’s why people aren’t as religious as they are now. Bad priests were unknown and unchecked. The things that happened in their “care” facilities….

Manners - Yes. Your lot could really improve in that area. Owning the libs, the in your face views, etc., etc. You want to correct this problem? Clean up your house first.

Nation - Part of a free people is the ability to say your nation has done bad things. Why would you want that stopped? Do you want policing of bad comments? Trump does. I forget the General; he reported Trump asked about reactivating retired generals who wrote op-Ed’s criticizing him so they could be court martialed.

Hard Work - Are you actually suggesting that stopped? When I still had a job (thank you for the job loss Trump); I could have used 2 people. I could have had 3 but they had to be in India.

Anti-Abortion - Yup that was illegal back then. Still tell us how you support women by taking that away. Also, the rights women had in the 50’s? Are you delusional?

Anti-Drugs - You think there was no drug activity back then?

Seriously dude, study what you are talking about versus parroting comments of the RNC, Reagan and Trump. Actually did trump mention family values?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:31 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:God, Manners, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA. Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't Make them Like President Ronald Reagan Any More.


I never understood this need to return to the 50s. There are many problems with your “old fashioned family values”

For one thing. CRT wasn’t a thing so bringing it up is invalid. That is of course you want only the myths (ie the puritans in search of religious freedom, slavery wasn’t that bad, etc.). Still…

Reagan was an actor. He was good a presenting an image. He was highly flawed as well. Many of his staff was convicted/charged of various crimes. His handling of AIDs. The first massive job exportation….

DeSantis is not “old fashioned family values”. He is a bully by nature and is using the hatred fueled by the Trump era for his own gain. Still…he probably would of fit in the 50’s with his hate and rhetoric. He is basically a smarter version of trump…..well a little more smarter. Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?

Maga and trump are not part of the 50’s family values. In fact he would have been punished by those people.

Now as the rest of the list?

God - Why do we need to ratchet up homophobia and issues of interracial relationships? There was a great deal of hate in the name of God. It’s why people aren’t as religious as they are now. Bad priests were unknown and unchecked. The things that happened in their “care” facilities….

Manners - Yes. Your lot could really improve in that area. Owning the libs, the in your face views, etc., etc. You want to correct this problem? Clean up your house first.

Nation - Part of a free people is the ability to say your nation has done bad things. Why would you want that stopped? Do you want policing of bad comments? Trump does. I forget the General; he reported Trump asked about reactivating retired generals who wrote op-Ed’s criticizing him so they could be court martialed.

Hard Work - Are you actually suggesting that stopped? When I still had a job (thank you for the job loss Trump); I could have used 2 people. I could have had 3 but they had to be in India.

Anti-Abortion - Yup that was illegal back then. Still tell us how you support women by taking that away. Also, the rights women had in the 50’s? Are you delusional?

Anti-Drugs - You think there was no drug activity back then?

Seriously dude, study what you are talking about versus parroting comments of the RNC, Reagan and Trump. Actually did trump mention family values?

I see your anti Republican opinions.

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Postby Bewaffnete Krafte » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:32 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:God, Manners, Nation, Hard Work, anti Abortion, Anti Illegal Drugs, Anti CRT Critical Race Theory In Schools, Colleges and Universities, Pro America First Foreign Policy. Pro MAGA. Pro Trump, Pro Ron DeSantis, Pro Ronald Reagan. President Ronald Reagan was a Gentleman, they don't Make them Like President Ronald Reagan Any More.


I never understood this need to return to the 50s. There are many problems with your “old fashioned family values”

For one thing. CRT wasn’t a thing so bringing it up is invalid. That is of course you want only the myths (ie the puritans in search of religious freedom, slavery wasn’t that bad, etc.). Still…

Reagan was an actor. He was good a presenting an image. He was highly flawed as well. Many of his staff was convicted/charged of various crimes. His handling of AIDs. The first massive job exportation….

DeSantis is not “old fashioned family values”. He is a bully by nature and is using the hatred fueled by the Trump era for his own gain. Still…he probably would of fit in the 50’s with his hate and rhetoric. He is basically a smarter version of trump…..well a little more smarter. Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?

Maga and trump are not part of the 50’s family values. In fact he would have been punished by those people.

Now as the rest of the list?

God - Why do we need to ratchet up homophobia and issues of interracial relationships? There was a great deal of hate in the name of God. It’s why people aren’t as religious as they are now. Bad priests were unknown and unchecked. The things that happened in their “care” facilities….

Manners - Yes. Your lot could really improve in that area. Owning the libs, the in your face views, etc., etc. You want to correct this problem? Clean up your house first.

Nation - Part of a free people is the ability to say your nation has done bad things. Why would you want that stopped? Do you want policing of bad comments? Trump does. I forget the General; he reported Trump asked about reactivating retired generals who wrote op-Ed’s criticizing him so they could be court martialed.

Hard Work - Are you actually suggesting that stopped? When I still had a job (thank you for the job loss Trump); I could have used 2 people. I could have had 3 but they had to be in India.

Anti-Abortion - Yup that was illegal back then. Still tell us how you support women by taking that away. Also, the rights women had in the 50’s? Are you delusional?

Anti-Drugs - You think there was no drug activity back then?

Seriously dude, study what you are talking about versus parroting comments of the RNC, Reagan and Trump. Actually did trump mention family values?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:32 am

The Black Forrest wrote:Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?


Was that DeSantis? I thought Jesse Ventura was the one who kept bringing up his past as a SEAL to deflect criticism.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:33 am

As of this point 17 republicans are refusing to vote for McCarthy. There’s no way this isn’t going to a second or multiple round votes
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:34 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
I never understood this need to return to the 50s. There are many problems with your “old fashioned family values”

For one thing. CRT wasn’t a thing so bringing it up is invalid. That is of course you want only the myths (ie the puritans in search of religious freedom, slavery wasn’t that bad, etc.). Still…

Reagan was an actor. He was good a presenting an image. He was highly flawed as well. Many of his staff was convicted/charged of various crimes. His handling of AIDs. The first massive job exportation….

DeSantis is not “old fashioned family values”. He is a bully by nature and is using the hatred fueled by the Trump era for his own gain. Still…he probably would of fit in the 50’s with his hate and rhetoric. He is basically a smarter version of trump…..well a little more smarter. Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?

Maga and trump are not part of the 50’s family values. In fact he would have been punished by those people.

Now as the rest of the list?

God - Why do we need to ratchet up homophobia and issues of interracial relationships? There was a great deal of hate in the name of God. It’s why people aren’t as religious as they are now. Bad priests were unknown and unchecked. The things that happened in their “care” facilities….

Manners - Yes. Your lot could really improve in that area. Owning the libs, the in your face views, etc., etc. You want to correct this problem? Clean up your house first.

Nation - Part of a free people is the ability to say your nation has done bad things. Why would you want that stopped? Do you want policing of bad comments? Trump does. I forget the General; he reported Trump asked about reactivating retired generals who wrote op-Ed’s criticizing him so they could be court martialed.

Hard Work - Are you actually suggesting that stopped? When I still had a job (thank you for the job loss Trump); I could have used 2 people. I could have had 3 but they had to be in India.

Anti-Abortion - Yup that was illegal back then. Still tell us how you support women by taking that away. Also, the rights women had in the 50’s? Are you delusional?

Anti-Drugs - You think there was no drug activity back then?

Seriously dude, study what you are talking about versus parroting comments of the RNC, Reagan and Trump. Actually did trump mention family values?

I see your anti Republican opinions.


Wow, you read that entire post in under a minute? That's impressive.

Now let's see an actual response to it rather than a deflection.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:34 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?


Was that DeSantis? I thought Jesse Ventura was the one who kept bringing up his past as a SEAL to deflect criticism.

DeSantis will bring up the fact that he served with the seals but he’s not a SEAL himself.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:35 am

Thermodolia wrote:As of this point 17 republicans are refusing to vote for McCarthy. There’s no way this isn’t going to a second or multiple round votes


I want it to go ballot after ballot for weeks. Democrats have said they will not help Republicans elect a speaker nor should they.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:35 am

Thermodolia wrote:As of this point 17 republicans are refusing to vote for McCarthy. There’s no way this isn’t going to a second or multiple round votes

Those are protest votes, because they are tired of soft Republicans, giving in to the Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, Progressives.

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Postby Loeje » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:36 am

Nora Xent wrote:
Loeje wrote:Don't they have Biggs for that?


We need a speaker for a functional government, so we should all hope that this goes quickly.

But he is a slightly DIFFERENT far-right extremist/

Does anyone know why him and not the other two, though?
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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:I see your anti Republican opinions.


Wow, you read that entire post in under a minute? That's impressive.

Now let's see an actual response to it rather than a deflection.

lol, :) :rofl:

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:37 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:As of this point 17 republicans are refusing to vote for McCarthy. There’s no way this isn’t going to a second or multiple round votes


I want it to go ballot after ballot for weeks. Democrats have said they will not help Republicans elect a speaker nor should they.

We need to be able to govern, so let’s not have the voting go on for weeks. Besides the Dems either need to put forth a candidate that could get bipartisan support or convince 5 moderate republicans to vote for Jefferies.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:37 am

Vassenor wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:Does he talk about being a member of SEAL team still?


Was that DeSantis? I thought Jesse Ventura was the one who kept bringing up his past as a SEAL to deflect criticism.

DeSantis was a legal advisor to SEAL Team One when he was in the Navy. Which seems like a weird thing to brag about.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:37 am

Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:As of this point 17 republicans are refusing to vote for McCarthy. There’s no way this isn’t going to a second or multiple round votes

Those are protest votes, because they are tired of soft Republicans, giving in to the Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, Progressives.


Yeah how awful both parties work together for the greater good .

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OK, so how does teaching the kids that some people are gay and that’s OK do that?


There is a difference between teaching that some people naturally have homosexuality tendencies, and actively telling and or teaching children to explore their sexuality,

oh no! saying it's okay for kids to explore their identity???!!! What Ever Shall We Do? :roll:
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To atomize the person from their traditional support groups

except that that is literally what the people who call themselves "anti-woke" are doing? they dismiss people that have talked about historical and ongoing oppression within their communities and support each other through it, they view the mere existence of the queer community as "grooming," and by and large they can't stand anyone outside their own WASP bubble.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:38 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
I want it to go ballot after ballot for weeks. Democrats have said they will not help Republicans elect a speaker nor should they.

We need to be able to govern, so let’s not have the voting go on for weeks. Besides the Dems either need to put forth a candidate that could get bipartisan support or convince 5 moderate republicans to vote for Jefferies.


You’re living in fantasy land if you think Jeffries or any other Democrat is going to be Speaker.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Was that DeSantis? I thought Jesse Ventura was the one who kept bringing up his past as a SEAL to deflect criticism.

DeSantis was a legal advisor to SEAL Team One when he was in the Navy. Which seems like a weird thing to brag about.

Unless you like admitting that you had a hand in possible torture and war crimes
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