by Elwher » Sat Dec 03, 2022 3:59 pm
by The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 03, 2022 6:01 pm
by PhilTech » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:54 pm
by Dimetrodon Empire » Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:57 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Oh no.
Sorry. I like food being safe. I have had food poisoning and it’s not worth waiting for the “free market” getting around to correcting it.
George Orwell wrote:Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
by Kerwa » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:07 pm
Dimetrodon Empire wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:Oh no.
Sorry. I like food being safe. I have had food poisoning and it’s not worth waiting for the “free market” getting around to correcting it.
Not to mention that such a scenario would turn society into a mine field and push the responsibility onto the consumer. Get poisoned by bad food? Your fault. Fall victim to fraud? Your fault. Don't have enough money to sue? Well, sucks to be you.
Billionaires manipulating markets? They're geniuses.
by The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:14 pm
Kerwa wrote:Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Not to mention that such a scenario would turn society into a mine field and push the responsibility onto the consumer. Get poisoned by bad food? Your fault. Fall victim to fraud? Your fault. Don't have enough money to sue? Well, sucks to be you.
Billionaires manipulating markets? They're geniuses.
Thank god we are free from fraud and food poisoning with plenty of money to sue in our Wall Street run paradise eh?
by Dimetrodon Empire » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:15 pm
Kerwa wrote:Dimetrodon Empire wrote:Not to mention that such a scenario would turn society into a mine field and push the responsibility onto the consumer. Get poisoned by bad food? Your fault. Fall victim to fraud? Your fault. Don't have enough money to sue? Well, sucks to be you.
Billionaires manipulating markets? They're geniuses.
Thank god we are free from fraud and food poisoning with plenty of money to sue in our Wall Street run paradise eh?
George Orwell wrote:Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
by Picairn » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:17 pm
by Kerwa » Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:35 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Kerwa wrote:
Thank god we are free from fraud and food poisoning with plenty of money to sue in our Wall Street run paradise eh?
Ohhhhh you are one of those.
Look I found fraud! The system doesn’t work! RUN!!!! SAVE YOURSELVES!!!!
Ok. I am bored.
What should society be? If it’s an ancap thing. Don’t bother. Just say ancap…..
by Clownish Dystopia » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:06 pm
Picairn wrote:The whole Pure Food and Drug Act was passed because American companies were putting formaldehyde in your food and opium in babies' medicine.
by The Black Forrest » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:11 pm
Kerwa wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Ohhhhh you are one of those.
Look I found fraud! The system doesn’t work! RUN!!!! SAVE YOURSELVES!!!!
Ok. I am bored.
What should society be? If it’s an ancap thing. Don’t bother. Just say ancap…..
Maybe start caring about the corruption. That might be a start, rather than arguing over things that won’t happen in any event.
by Bombadil » Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:25 pm
by Elwher » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:26 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Oh no.
Sorry. I like food being safe. I have had food poisoning and it’s not worth waiting for the “free market” getting around to correcting it.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:27 pm
by Elwher » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:32 pm
Bombadil wrote:1. A strong legal framework (legislature, legal and enforcement) that provides equality before the law
2. Investment in the education and health of the population
3. Investment in infrastructure projects that further the nation
Take the money out of elections, each candidate receives:
1. A templated website laying out their policies in key areas
2. 3 televised/webcast debates at region(i.e state)/federal level, town hall/webcast debates at local level
That's it, no advertising or PACs.
All media to placed in trusts, ensuring the finance side and the editorial side are kept separate, given their importance I'd be open to government subsidies to ensure at least every city and rural area has access to media relevant to them.
And yes, render unto Caesar that which is Caesars, complete separation of religion and state.
by Rusozak » Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:48 pm
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by Bombadil » Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:07 am
Elwher wrote:As to the first 3, number 1 is fully in line with my preferred functions. Number 2 is acceptable as long as the educational system is non-coercive, giving people the right to opt-out and educate their children as they see fit. As to #3, if the investment will actually further the nation, it could be accomplished by private industry.
by Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:12 am
by Clownish Dystopia » Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:28 am
Rusozak wrote:Looks like we're doing the thing again where libertarians act like "wash your hands" signs are tyranny. Just read The Jungle. Libertarians want to take us back to the god damn gilded age I swear. What's next, children have a right to work in coal mines?
by Kubra » Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:43 am
by Gravlen » Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:01 am
Elwher wrote:What, in your ideal state, would the government do? I'll start with mine.
Military to defend against outside violence;
Police to defend against inside violence;
Civil Courts to defend against fraud and enforce freely entered-into contracts
Beyond that, no coercive functions. For example, food inspections should not be mandatory BUT if not inspected, they must be clearly labeled as such so people can make their choice as an educated consumer. If not labeled or if mislabeled, see function 3 above.
by The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sun Dec 04, 2022 5:52 am
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