by Betelgeuse Alliance » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:47 pm
Countless self-governing communities throughout space that are united under one constitution.
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FOR: Georgism, UBI, Liberty, YIMBYism, Free Markets, Environmentalism, Guaranteed Healthcare & Education, LGBT+ Equal Rights, Free Speech, Local Democracy, Diplomacy, Technological Advancement, Open Source
AGAINST: Authoritarianism, Cronyism, Corporatism, Censorship, Radical Feminism, Corruption
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by The Second Order of Life » Wed Nov 23, 2022 6:21 pm
THE SECOND ORDER OF LIFE
As have our ancestors, we shall maintain
Ruler of the Order, Adamant Will 074, holder of the Mantle of Maintenance and protector of the Articles of Creation
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by Life empire » Wed Nov 23, 2022 8:16 pm
The Second Order of Life wrote:I've always found that trying to justify not living forever by saying that life would "drag for too long" is just a way of the human mind to trick you into not desiring something that you cannot realistically attain. It's like a self-defence mechanism that activates whenever you start to wander too close to existential crises and realising just how mortal and finite you are. As a staunch atheist, would I live forever if I could? Of fucking course I would! There isn't a magical resting place waiting for me in the afterlife, so the more life I get outta this one the better. You will not "grow tired" of it, because there's never a point where offing yourself will be worth it. You can 100% take comfort in the fact that no matter how screwed you are, you can always plan for LONG game, which means that you'll at least eventually succeed. You have infinite time, and once you realise that, there simply is no point in turning back.
This, however, becomes problematic to justify to a religious person whose faith includes a peaceful afterlife. At what point would you say "fuck it" and skip ahead to the good stuff? That is, if your religion doesn't think people who commit suicide don't go to the good place. If not, then you're screwed, because there is no way you're going to die unless you deliberately get yourself into a dangerous situation which kills you, which might lend you a ticket to purgatory, because most traditional gods are omniscient to an extent, especially the one from the abrahamic religions. Also, it poses the question: if people can theoretically live forever... can we escape the wrath of gods? We can violate whichever laws we want, so long as we just don't get killed our get ourselves killed (because it seems that the gods have decided we're simply not worth it anymore and have stopped sending prophets/signals/signs of their wrath and anger). Suddenly, religion becomes fully optional, because even if you believe that a god exists, you don't have to follow them anymore, because you might not actually get to ever face justice. All you have to do is be careful.
Also, I have to address this: capitalism is suddenly dead. There is simply no way a free-market system can sustain itself with the sudden uptick in population. Humanity either organises itself into a centrally-planned economy or it will starve by the millions. Technology will not be able to keep up with this new human race, and without proper assessment of resources and rapid expansion into extraterrestrial alternatives, humans will be faced with a pretty nasty situation to deal with. I know you said that, in this scenario, all the "major problems" would be solved, but realistically it can't be done in a purely capitalistic environment. Poverty is systemic, there will always be a reserve mass of unemployed workers to ensure the evolution of worker's rights and unity are both kept low. Unions can't prosper if workers are constantly fighting between themselves to occupy the job posts that feed their families. Before we could even hatch a sustainable plan for an ageless humanity, free market has to go, with haste.
With that out of the way, let's get to the inevitable consequence of the death of old age: overpopulation. We used to fear overpopulation quite a lot, especially after Thomas Malthus's overly simplistic view of it, but it never seems to have bothered us, mostly because technology has always spiked our efficiency in gathering the resources we need to live. Unfortunately, taking away natural death from humanity might finally set in motion the machinations for a Malthusian catastrophe, one from which we may only recover after thousands starve to death. The solution...?There really isn't one.
As sad as it is for me to say, there is no way to solve overpopulation whilst having a human race that cannot die of old age. That, however, is only because I'm trying to do this while *respecting our current understanding of life and what is necessary to survive*. Were I to have a colder heart, there are a number of ways to solve this, many of which are authoritarian, but simply because they must be, given the circumnstances. Keep in mind I don't support anything I'm about to say:
I - Having a family? That's a privilege now, not a right. Every pregnancy must be pre-approved by populational control comissions, in a local level, who will report to a national level, that will be in charge of keeping the increase slow and constant (assuming nations must still exist, which would make this whole thing 10x harder).
II - All people capable of having children must submit to a pregnancy test every 4 months. If an unauthorised pregnancy is detected, it will be aborted.
III - If you want to be especially evil, go for eugenics. Have the comissions test for people whose genetic makeup will create more beneficial offspring. Of course, I'd recommend a lottery-type system instead, to be more democratic and fair, but I can't stop you from being a full-on nazi.
IV - Repeated infractions of anti-pregnancy laws could, if you want, result in what I'll colorfully call forced celibacy A.K.A surgically removing the criminal's ability to have or induce a pregnancy.
That about wraps up the dictator's guide to avoiding overpopulation. Again, items I and II are like this because they must be. Benevolence can only take you so far when you're talking about the future of humanity. We can afford to live in our luxuriously democratic systems and exalt freedom because we are given leniency through or technological advantage. Take that away, and we must resort to such methods. I'll just say this before I finish this overly-long reply: there is no way to democratically sustain a human race that cannot die of old age.
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Gallade wrote:Love, cake, wine and banter. No greater meaning to life (〜^∇^)〜
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by Vistulange » Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:32 pm
Picairn wrote:Nope, I'd welcome my death. Living forever isn't good when I have to watch everyone close to me die and spend my immortality in perpetual loneliness.
If everyone can be immortal? Wouldn't that be categorically unsustainable for the planet?
by Barbaria » Fri Nov 25, 2022 6:54 pm
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