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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:45 pm

It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see Ever-Wandering Souls directly campaigning to hang on to his own condemn by sending out paid for stamp telegrams from his own puppet nation - but signed in a deliberately ambiguous manner, to try and persuade people into believing that a third party considers him to be deserving of condemnation.

So I'm glad to see The Delegate of The South Pacific taking a stand against this and saying, enough is enough. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are ambivalent about the condemn, or you see it as a badge of honour that must be retained. Its pretty clear now which it is.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:47 pm

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Evil Mother wrote:Souls spending actual money on counter-campaigning this from one of his puppets is by far one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever seen anyone do. I guess this is what a person that really doesn’t care about their condemn looks like, huh? This is just the final tip on the massive pile of undeniable proof that raiders take these badges and wear them as medals of honour for actively destroying regional communities. They do not deserve these badges and anyone who thinks that they do is actively furthering their agenda.
Also for anyone interested: this is Souls puppet, Horo, mass-telegramming people to vote against this proposal. His puppet is currently ROed as "Soulsy" in Moon:

I find it ridiculous that this telegram is specifically sent to regions which oppose campaign spam. At least Tepertopia had the decency to not telegram regions such as XKI and Europe. Switching my vote to for, even though I still disagree with the text of this repeal.


More "defenders and random other midsized regions that let me add up as close as possible to the 1490 stamps I had floating around"

Also I'm with Sedge, in general, WRT to anyone who gets super pissy about such things, lol.
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The color or what?..

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:50 pm

North East Somerset wrote:It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see Ever-Wandering Souls directly campaigning to hang on to his own condemn by sending out paid for stamp telegrams from his own puppet nation - but signed in a deliberately ambiguous manner, to try and persuade people into believing that a third party considers him to be deserving of condemnation.

So I'm glad to see The Delegate of The South Pacific taking a stand against this and saying, enough is enough. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are ambivalent about the condemn, or you see it as a badge of honour that must be retained. Its pretty clear now which it is.


It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see everyone except The Reject Realms chasing down indys and imps they so despised for decades, to get a dozen or two endos that have materially changed nothing.

So I'm glad to see that thousands of GCR votes cannot do anything besides make inflated posts and beg for their own citizens to get in line, in order to do the second most meaningless thing in GP this year besides making those posts themselves.
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Evil Mother » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:51 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.

Okay but how is that like actually related to what I said at all? You used your stamps to send a mass-campaign telegram for something that you oh so clearly didn’t care about- whether you had them "lying around" or whether you bought them specifically for this makes absolutely no difference because they did in fact cost money. This does nothing to prove that you are not behaving in the most hypocritical and misleading way possible. In the end Souls, we will see where that gets you.
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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:52 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
North East Somerset wrote:It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see Ever-Wandering Souls directly campaigning to hang on to his own condemn by sending out paid for stamp telegrams from his own puppet nation - but signed in a deliberately ambiguous manner, to try and persuade people into believing that a third party considers him to be deserving of condemnation.

So I'm glad to see The Delegate of The South Pacific taking a stand against this and saying, enough is enough. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are ambivalent about the condemn, or you see it as a badge of honour that must be retained. Its pretty clear now which it is.


It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see everyone except The Reject Realms chasing down indys and imps they so despised for decades, to get a dozen or two endos that have materially changed nothing.

So I'm glad to see that thousands of GCR votes cannot do anything besides make inflated posts and beg for their own citizens to get in line, in order to do the second most meaningless thing in GP this year besides making those posts themselves.


If it is all so meaningless, why are you still here talking about it?

The partnerships we build are about more than just endos - I guess as a purist raider you might not understand the political elements to the game though. Maybe once you have done that, you can be truly evil and worthy of condemnation, like me. :)
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Postby Platoon of Peace » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:58 pm

Evil Mother wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.

Okay but how is that like actually related to what I said at all? You used your stamps to send a mass-campaign telegram for something that you oh so clearly didn’t care about- whether you had them "lying around" or whether you bought them specifically for this makes absolutely no difference because they did in fact cost money. This does nothing to prove that you are not behaving in the most hypocritical and misleading way possible. In the end Souls, we will see where that gets you.

So what you're saying is that if souls cares about the badge, then they're a bad person, and if they don't, why would the protect it? Am I misunderstanding this? If i got this right, here's my question: if I took something from you that you owned, even if you didn't care a lot about said thing, how would you react? Would you try to get me to give it back? Cause that's kinda what's happening here.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:59 pm

Evil Mother wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.

Okay but how is that like actually related to what I said at all? You used your stamps to send a mass-campaign telegram for something that you oh so clearly didn’t care about- whether you had them "lying around" or whether you bought them specifically for this makes absolutely no difference because they did in fact cost money. This does nothing to prove that you are not behaving in the most hypocritical and misleading way possible. In the end Souls, we will see where that gets you.


It'll get me as the founder of more regions like Japan and possibly Moon, probably. It doesn't seem to be getting me out of the Council Advisory Board, Malice's War Room, TCB's friendship, etc etc. 8)

Do you think that seething anger could get you some more troops on the battlefield? My hammer is starting to get a little rusty, even if I do appreciate spending less time crunching beachhead math.

North East Somerset wrote:If it is all so meaningless, why are you still here talking about it?


Ain't got much better to do while waiting for duty roulette with Venico to pop on a Sunday night. Might be the rum talking, but this is all pretty amusing. Especially the part where y'all are having to actually put in the elbow grease to jam this through, and getting your knickers *really* twisted over a few of us lazily sending some telegrams specifically so you have to actually work for it. :geek:
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:04 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
North East Somerset wrote:If it is all so meaningless, why are you still here talking about it?


Ain't got much better to do while waiting for duty roulette with Venico to pop on a Sunday night. Might be the rum talking, but this is all pretty amusing. Especially the part where y'all are having to actually put in the elbow grease to jam this through, and getting your knickers *really* twisted over a few of us lazily sending some telegrams specifically so you have to actually work for it. :geek: :geek:


Getting a real sense of deja vu now...

viewtopic.php?p=35762456#p35762456
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Postby Dawn Denac » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:05 pm

"Souls, why are you campaigning against this if you don't care?"

"Because it's funny as hell."

Think that sums it up.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:12 pm

Man, the South Pacific is really pushing for this with a campaign telegram and everything.

Sedgistan wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Further to that, I would ask you to really take a look at the following clauses:
Concluding that while the target resolution is well articulated, Souls lacked ability, efficiency and tactful calculation while leading The Black Hawks, ultimately undermining their own ill-intended goals, dismantling their suitability for condemnation,

Affirming that while Souls held several positions in raiding high command over several years, their contributions to raiderdom have undoubtedly been feeble and that of a cosmic liability, and therefore,

The first one, while on the surface looks like it is 4(b) complaint, if you actually read that clause you can see it is directly referring to the player behind the nation and not the nation itself. The second one is the same, and is nothing more than flamebait at best. Calling someone feeble over in General would at least garner a loom.

Neither are rules violations.

Most gameplay Commendations/Condemnations refer to what are in reality the personal characteristics of the player controlling the nation (e.g. Kringalia recently as "honorable and assiduous"). As long as the language isn't unequivocally referring to a person (e.g. literally commenting on their "personality") then it's generally acceptable under Rule 2b. As for a nation leading a region, that's nothing unusual either (and for what it's worth has plenty of real-world precent too in rotating presidencies of international bodies).

The second one doesn't violate site rules. It's harsh language but not to the level of flamebaiting. Contested repeals of "badge of honour" Commendations/Condemnations will sometimes include relatively harsh criticism of the nominee.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I knew even as I wrote that post I wouldn't be. Sorry for the typo by the way I did mean 2(b), so thanks for correcting that. So what you are confiming is that it is perfectly okay to take a flamethrower to someone in a resolution, as long as we change a single word from he to they which somehow puts a thin veneer of "in-character" over it? When the good players, the ones that contribute to the community very heavily. The ones that make the game a better place, finally say fuck it and leave, we can look back on this day and remember what causes it....
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pm

North East Somerset wrote:
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Ain't got much better to do while waiting for duty roulette with Venico to pop on a Sunday night. Might be the rum talking, but this is all pretty amusing. Especially the part where y'all are having to actually put in the elbow grease to jam this through, and getting your knickers *really* twisted over a few of us lazily sending some telegrams specifically so you have to actually work for it. :geek: :geek:


Getting a real sense of deja vu now...

viewtopic.php?p=35762456#p35762456


Gonna be honest with ya chief, the odds of me reading some 2019 consularposting to try and decipher enough context for the point you're trying to make is pretty low - any chance you could spell that jab out for an illiterate raider?
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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby Lakeside Valley » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:27 pm

The Community of Lakeside Valley ABSTAINS


Our experts have looked at both sides of the argument, and have been bombarded with campaign telegrams for both sides of the argument. After analyzing the arguments we believe both sides make good points. The side arguing FOR makes the point that Souls has not been successful enough to deserve a condemnation. We've also seen arguments FOR that claim Souls would see this as an award. Both of these arguments make sense. The arguments AGAINST have also made sense. One argument AGAINST is that Souls has indeed hurt regions across the globe, and continues to do so, so they should be condemned. This is a good argument. We cannot come to a conclusion because we agree that Souls should be condemned, but we also agree Souls is probably proud of this condemnation. So we've decided its best to simply not vote, and let the original condemnation stand and also let people who feel strongly about this topic vote. We do not feel strongly about this topic, so we will stay out of the argument. We urge others who cannot make a solid decision to also avoid voting, and let those who are more serious about this topic decide.
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Postby Uwuguaya » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:47 pm

Evil Mother wrote:Souls spending actual money on counter-campaigning this from one of his puppets is by far one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever seen anyone do. I guess this is what a person that really doesn’t care about their condemn looks like, huh? This is just the final tip on the massive pile of undeniable proof that raiders take these badges and wear them as medals of honour for actively destroying regional communities. They do not deserve these badges and anyone who thinks that they do is actively furthering their agenda.
Also for anyone interested: this is Souls puppet, Horo, mass-telegramming people to vote against this proposal. His puppet is currently ROed as "Soulsy" in Moon:


There’s the flaw in your logic. Why would the feelings of raiders matter in our condemnation of them?-Why should it be a factor?-By making it a factor in the first place, you’re giving raiders more and bigger attention than they deserve to have. A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of the sheep. In other words, why should we non-raiders concern ourselves with the emotional whims of raiders?-Why should we care if they see it as a ‘badge of honour’?

Secondly, ‘the badge’ as you call it, otherwise known as condemnation serves to show non-raider nations that this nation’s actions and, in some cases, the players’, are outrageous and dreadful. Thus removing it makes it seem like the previously condemned is a nation which ‘has done nothing wrong’ and this is also the signal it will send to new, non-raiding nations. Which is a terrible signal to send to new nations.

Thirdly is this SC resolution not only badly written, but the author also makes themselves-either knowingly or unknowingly-a mouthpiece of pro-raider legislation. If this SC resolution passes, it will set a precedent for the SC politics on raiders, thusly resulting in more and more repeals of previous condemnations of raiders. The SC has to have one and the same policy for raiders, and this resolution passing will undermine that policy.

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Postby URA World Assembly Affairs » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:51 pm

The United Regions Alliance recommends a vote AGAINST "Repeal: Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls" by a vote of 54.94% AGAINST, 2.89% ABSTAIN. 12 of 23 regions voting.

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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:47 pm

I am here to ask you to cast your vote FOR Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls".

You might have gotten a telegram from either Lurklife or Horo (or both) urging you to vote against. Both of these nations are puppets, their main nations are respectively Lucklife and Ever-Wandering Souls. Yes, you heard that right. An officer in The Black Hawks and Souls himself are campaigning against repealing Souls' condemnation (you'll notice Horo is a regional officer titled "Soulsy" in Moon: https://i.imgur.com/h7l2bAW.png) This is because they want the condemnation as a badge of honor, to flex and intimidate others with their raids. If you want to oppose raiders and other community destroyers, vote FOR the proposal to revoke Souls' badge and the glory that he and the raiders feel it brings to them.

They think they can manipulate the voters of the World Assembly into supporting raiding's goals by hiding behind puppets. Show them they're wrong by casting your vote FOR Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls" - we are counting on you, and need every vote we can get!

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Postby FurryFemboys » Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:58 pm

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Postby The Ice States » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:00 pm

A(nother) mass telegram was sent in support of this proposal by Ever-Wandering Souls, on 4:44 AM UTC today. Despite being ostensibly only addressed to 21 recipients, the same telegram was received addressed to the same recipients by multiple nations not on the list ([1][2]).

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Wow, who could've known Lurklife is Lucklife? A travesty to me
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:13 pm

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Wow, who could've known Lurklife is Lucklife? A travesty to me

I think this post is a little eh, because while to us it's obvious, the random WA voter is not going to be aware of who Lucklife is, or find it nearly as obvious.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:18 pm

The Ice States wrote:A(nother) mass telegram was sent in support of this proposal by Ever-Wandering Souls, on 4:44 AM UTC today. Despite being ostensibly only addressed to 21 recipients, the same telegram was received addressed to the same recipients by multiple nations not on the list ([1]).

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That's clearly campaigning for Repeal: “On The Supremacy Of The Potato,” not for this.

And it was sent to about 2,500 nations, but that kinda breaks the "to" box, it turns out!
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http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258

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Hobbesistan wrote:Don't think I understand the question.
The color or what?..

Jesus, Hobbes, it's 2015. You can't just call someone "the color".

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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:34 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Refiria wrote:Wow, who could've known Lurklife is Lucklife? A travesty to me

I think this post is a little eh, because while to us it's obvious, the random WA voter is not going to be aware of who Lucklife is, or find it nearly as obvious.

Doesn't really matter what the "random" WA voter thinks anyway. Resolutions are decided on delegate votes, not individual nation votes and you know this.

For: 9,276: Pallaith (1,302), Tepertopia (868), Giovanniland (655), East Durthang (558), Imperium Anglorum (450), Markanite (352), Creeperopolis (351), North East Somerset (294), Le Libertia (259), Mechanocracy (141), Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands (130), Vinslott (102), Vancouvia (81), Sparsdan (79), New United Common-lands (78), Student Loan Debt (75), New Nationale Einheit (68), The Salaxalans (65), Nulkia (54), East Chimore (49), Candensia (49), United Slavik States (48), Paramountica (45), Sanctaria (29), Battadia (26), Dabberwocky (25), Aerlion (24), Vipru (23), Miraco (22), NewTexas (21), Gran River (20), Gideon (18), Sovereign State Of Khalistan (18), Kwon Hoshi-R5 (17), Ifrimia (16), Isaris (14), Estonland (14), Franconia Empire (13), Josephtan (12), Broaryd (11), Vastlands (11), The Voltarum (10), Albiorix (10), Roznepal (9), Yermaney (7), Ventus Prime (7), Greater Lankland (7), Excidium Planetis (7), Greater Cuba (7), Brocklandia (7), Manhassett (7), The Greastest Nation (7), ScotlandSerenity (6), Gatchina (6), Koranz (6), Prussia-Saxon Government in Exile (6), Toriniall (6), Zhensheng Xue (6), Kylarnatia (5), The Ruby Ranch Republic (5), Golanchia (5), Bruh LOL (5), Captain Woodhouse (5), Nothinggg (5), Adephia (5), His Excellency (5), Jesustinia (5), River Otters (4), Fujiwa (4), Loravia (4), Holy Magnolia (4), Tai Pei (4), Groche Trading Company (4), Chap Ven (4), Moroccan Freedom (4), Angladen (4), Geckotania (4), Western Hia (4), The Soviet state of Svalbard (4), Wabacha (4), Ulissebuerg (4), Cheems Doge (3), Quebec-Libre (3), PurpleDuck (3), Swanbay (3), Suragani (3), Great Libertona (3), GoldSilver918 (3), Teenyhome (3), Bialostan (3), WaffenBrightonburg (3), Western Federation of States (3), Republic od Albusy (3), Land of Goats (3), East Thule (3), Got7seas (3), Hustlertwo (3), Akiniad (3), Mynation (3), Communo-Slavocia (3), Imperial Felchah (3), Menorca and Southeast Spain (3), Stoosa (3), Quisciestefedberiballand (3), Arazian (3), Apellidor (3), Kinkerland (3), Pirates and Buccaneers (3), Sarzville (3), Indorne (3), Sow Bug (3), Brunis (3), Beazlend (3), Vaste (3), Koryian (2), Islands Of Ventro (2), Al-Hannum (2), Jacobopolus (2), Boundless ecstasy (2), Slandsbocamaistatesstan (2), Ankoshs (2), Usual People In Life (2), The Woofe Cartel (2), Eormenrice (2), Davidistan (2), Orifna (2), The Onion Union (2), Kekdom (2), United Anarchists of Earth (2), Erasticanius (2), Economic trade (2), Aura Banitia (2), Romulus III (2), United Desri (2), Fleroviam (2), Musulmanus (2), Middle Ibarthelastorosa (2), Lehqhbraot (2), Frestonfed (2), Exkrea (2), United Van States (2), Laferna (2), Hoshido and Nohr (2), Trivalve (2), The Order of Makai (2), Rogue River (2), Herby (2), Barak Khalad (2), Stonewall720 (2), North Cromch (2), Niskeku (2), Afflexy (2), Heavens Reach (2), Vanderblight (2), Vichtander (2), Ethensia (2), Fire Lord Azula (2), Galactic Powers (2), Oktotheio (2), Federal Republic Of Trasia (2), Crispe (2), Nova Irbelia (2), Zurmenia (2), New Londonivm (2), Brazil FS (2), Kashimiria (2), Legionary Ronchi (2), and (2,362) individual member nations.

Against: 6,213: Kethania (683), Sylh Alanor (268), Malphe II (245), Minskiev (240), Socialist Platypus (194), Kavagrad (180), New Dargen (162), South Boston Irishmen (111), Biggonian Megaist Empire (106), Erynia and Draconia (105), Ruinenlust (104), The Glorious Hypetrain (103), Dawsinian (103), The Litterbox (79), Lesser Velutaria (72), Bearded Dragones (53), Mocha (41), Lorthos (35), Roylaii (33), Particle (32), Tostandia (31), Magical Girl Emi (28), The Orwell Society (23), Kingdom of Englands (23), Mlociniakik (21), AJ Empire (18), Tinhampton (18), Cruciland (16), Suter (15), Ciphage (15), Shanlix (15), Lennonia (13), Olinasha (13), The Bolivian Socialist Falange (12), Korgonsk (12), Draganisia (11), Candanadium (11), Sul American (11), Losconia (11), Haaton Prime (10), Luna Dam (10), Orca and Narwhal (9), Ancapitalist Wadiya (9), Head Chembaron (8), DeMoNiC SaTaN (8), Stalinta (8), Zarbik (8), Lamoni (8), Aestheti (7), South East Mindoor (7), Tondoluland (7), Wadelhelpia (7), Montora (6), Voxija (6), Madrocea (6), Noldorin Oron (6), Vegaga (6), Leasi (6), Not A Plant (6), The Village Society (6), Wobbegong (5), Isle of Westland (5), The Palentine (5), Et Pax Britannica (5), Fordaria (5), The Good Nation Of Americana Christening (5), Tyranniaa (4), Siluvia (4), Umbratellus (4), Transgender Cats and Kitties (4), Stufjahork (4), Morothenia (4), Devocha (4), Midshire (4), Cosweland (3), Yesmanland (3), Titimistan (3), Soviet States of Russia (3), Pogaria (3), Fun Island (3), Kleinekatzen (3), Jungle Juice (3), North Bulgaristan (3), Munari (3), Wilhelma and the Flanfairs (3), Arm Amputees (3), Punta del Este (3), Imperialist Bonaparte (3), Demonos (3), Cydronia (2), Ameareia (2), Gakahid (2), Transsobor (2), Compedlandia (2), Right Crimea (2), United Grenada (2), SherpDaWerp (2), Landfield (2), Upper France (2), Romasan (2), Neurala (2), Gaustria (2), The Spanish Coast (2), Czechostan (2), United Dependencies (2), Techcratica (2), Empire of Bird (2), Draconae (2), Harmonistan (2), The Terren Dominion (2), Lotieltan (2), Firecon Lions (2), Lithuania 2022 RP (2), Potatolandia Nation (2), The Mongo Empire (2), Slices Right (2), Bassestan (2), Maxtollen (2), The Cienordia (2), Theoscafia (2), Cromulent Peoples (2), Ninesrule (2), Sedgistan (2), Eldenar (2), The Free Munster League (2), The Islamic Middle East (2), Qudrath (2), Jabaxus (2), The Combine Union (2), Enderstan (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), TheSovietUnion (2), Ostpreusse (2), Vinlandis (2), East Planes (2), The Ancient World (2), Soviet Yoshilandia (2), Making Catgirls Real (2), and (2,588) individual member nations.

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Seeing as how that many individual nations are voting against, it does make me wonder if the delegates are voting in the best interest of their endorsements, or voting out of sycophancy? It would really be nice of some of these delegates faced political retribution for their choices, but that never happens as it is always the same old fossils running the GCR's. It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:38 pm

Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....

This is the statement put out by our region's WA office:

The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.

There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.

After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".

There's basically nothing justifying a vote for the repeal, it's just addressing telegram spam.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:44 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....

This is the statement put out by our region's WA office:

The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.

There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.

After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".

There's basically nothing justifying a vote for the repeal, it's just addressing telegram spam.

So someone sends a telegram and Europe votes for the repeal to send a message?
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Postby Pangurstan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:12 pm

There's nothing funnier than watching regions complain about telegrams being sent to "their" players without their consent
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Postby Junitaki-cho » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:17 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....

This is the statement put out by our region's WA office:

The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.

There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.

After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".

There's basically nothing justifying a vote for the repeal, it's just addressing telegram spam.

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