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by North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:45 pm
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:47 pm
Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:Evil Mother wrote:Souls spending actual money on counter-campaigning this from one of his puppets is by far one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever seen anyone do. I guess this is what a person that really doesn’t care about their condemn looks like, huh? This is just the final tip on the massive pile of undeniable proof that raiders take these badges and wear them as medals of honour for actively destroying regional communities. They do not deserve these badges and anyone who thinks that they do is actively furthering their agenda.
Also for anyone interested: this is Souls puppet, Horo, mass-telegramming people to vote against this proposal. His puppet is currently ROed as "Soulsy" in Moon:
I find it ridiculous that this telegram is specifically sent to regions which oppose campaign spam. At least Tepertopia had the decency to not telegram regions such as XKI and Europe. Switching my vote to for, even though I still disagree with the text of this repeal.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:50 pm
North East Somerset wrote:It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see Ever-Wandering Souls directly campaigning to hang on to his own condemn by sending out paid for stamp telegrams from his own puppet nation - but signed in a deliberately ambiguous manner, to try and persuade people into believing that a third party considers him to be deserving of condemnation.
So I'm glad to see The Delegate of The South Pacific taking a stand against this and saying, enough is enough. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are ambivalent about the condemn, or you see it as a badge of honour that must be retained. Its pretty clear now which it is.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Evil Mother » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:51 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.
by North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:52 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:North East Somerset wrote:It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see Ever-Wandering Souls directly campaigning to hang on to his own condemn by sending out paid for stamp telegrams from his own puppet nation - but signed in a deliberately ambiguous manner, to try and persuade people into believing that a third party considers him to be deserving of condemnation.
So I'm glad to see The Delegate of The South Pacific taking a stand against this and saying, enough is enough. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Either you are ambivalent about the condemn, or you see it as a badge of honour that must be retained. Its pretty clear now which it is.
It's surprising, and in some respects disappointing, to see everyone except The Reject Realms chasing down indys and imps they so despised for decades, to get a dozen or two endos that have materially changed nothing.
So I'm glad to see that thousands of GCR votes cannot do anything besides make inflated posts and beg for their own citizens to get in line, in order to do the second most meaningless thing in GP this year besides making those posts themselves.
by Platoon of Peace » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:58 pm
Evil Mother wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.
Okay but how is that like actually related to what I said at all? You used your stamps to send a mass-campaign telegram for something that you oh so clearly didn’t care about- whether you had them "lying around" or whether you bought them specifically for this makes absolutely no difference because they did in fact cost money. This does nothing to prove that you are not behaving in the most hypocritical and misleading way possible. In the end Souls, we will see where that gets you.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 4:59 pm
Evil Mother wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Excuse you, folks have been manual-ing or using old stamps lying around =P We're not the ones who just dropped $20.
Okay but how is that like actually related to what I said at all? You used your stamps to send a mass-campaign telegram for something that you oh so clearly didn’t care about- whether you had them "lying around" or whether you bought them specifically for this makes absolutely no difference because they did in fact cost money. This does nothing to prove that you are not behaving in the most hypocritical and misleading way possible. In the end Souls, we will see where that gets you.
North East Somerset wrote:If it is all so meaningless, why are you still here talking about it?
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by North East Somerset » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:04 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:North East Somerset wrote:If it is all so meaningless, why are you still here talking about it?
Ain't got much better to do while waiting for duty roulette with Venico to pop on a Sunday night. Might be the rum talking, but this is all pretty amusing. Especially the part where y'all are having to actually put in the elbow grease to jam this through, and getting your knickers *really* twisted over a few of us lazily sending some telegrams specifically so you have to actually work for it.
by Dawn Denac » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:05 pm
by WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:12 pm
Sedgistan wrote:Wayneactia wrote:Further to that, I would ask you to really take a look at the following clauses:Concluding that while the target resolution is well articulated, Souls lacked ability, efficiency and tactful calculation while leading The Black Hawks, ultimately undermining their own ill-intended goals, dismantling their suitability for condemnation,
Affirming that while Souls held several positions in raiding high command over several years, their contributions to raiderdom have undoubtedly been feeble and that of a cosmic liability, and therefore,
The first one, while on the surface looks like it is 4(b) complaint, if you actually read that clause you can see it is directly referring to the player behind the nation and not the nation itself. The second one is the same, and is nothing more than flamebait at best. Calling someone feeble over in General would at least garner a loom.
Neither are rules violations.
Most gameplay Commendations/Condemnations refer to what are in reality the personal characteristics of the player controlling the nation (e.g. Kringalia recently as "honorable and assiduous"). As long as the language isn't unequivocally referring to a person (e.g. literally commenting on their "personality") then it's generally acceptable under Rule 2b. As for a nation leading a region, that's nothing unusual either (and for what it's worth has plenty of real-world precent too in rotating presidencies of international bodies).
The second one doesn't violate site rules. It's harsh language but not to the level of flamebaiting. Contested repeals of "badge of honour" Commendations/Condemnations will sometimes include relatively harsh criticism of the nominee.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:22 pm
North East Somerset wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Ain't got much better to do while waiting for duty roulette with Venico to pop on a Sunday night. Might be the rum talking, but this is all pretty amusing. Especially the part where y'all are having to actually put in the elbow grease to jam this through, and getting your knickers *really* twisted over a few of us lazily sending some telegrams specifically so you have to actually work for it.
Getting a real sense of deja vu now...
viewtopic.php?p=35762456#p35762456
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Lakeside Valley » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:27 pm
by Uwuguaya » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:47 pm
Evil Mother wrote:Souls spending actual money on counter-campaigning this from one of his puppets is by far one of the most hypocritical things I’ve ever seen anyone do. I guess this is what a person that really doesn’t care about their condemn looks like, huh? This is just the final tip on the massive pile of undeniable proof that raiders take these badges and wear them as medals of honour for actively destroying regional communities. They do not deserve these badges and anyone who thinks that they do is actively furthering their agenda.
Also for anyone interested: this is Souls puppet, Horo, mass-telegramming people to vote against this proposal. His puppet is currently ROed as "Soulsy" in Moon:
by URA World Assembly Affairs » Sun Nov 20, 2022 5:51 pm
by WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 8:47 pm
I am here to ask you to cast your vote FOR Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls".
You might have gotten a telegram from either Lurklife or Horo (or both) urging you to vote against. Both of these nations are puppets, their main nations are respectively Lucklife and Ever-Wandering Souls. Yes, you heard that right. An officer in The Black Hawks and Souls himself are campaigning against repealing Souls' condemnation (you'll notice Horo is a regional officer titled "Soulsy" in Moon: https://i.imgur.com/h7l2bAW.png) This is because they want the condemnation as a badge of honor, to flex and intimidate others with their raids. If you want to oppose raiders and other community destroyers, vote FOR the proposal to revoke Souls' badge and the glory that he and the raiders feel it brings to them.
They think they can manipulate the voters of the World Assembly into supporting raiding's goals by hiding behind puppets. Show them they're wrong by casting your vote FOR Repeal "Condemn Ever-Wandering Souls" - we are counting on you, and need every vote we can get!
Cheers, and feel free to ask any questions
Tepertopia, Delegate of the South Pacific
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by The Ice States » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:00 pm
by Refiria » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:01 pm
Wayneactia wrote:snip
by Quebecshire » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:13 pm
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:18 pm
The Ice States wrote:A(nother) mass telegram was sent in support of this proposal by Ever-Wandering Souls, on 4:44 AM UTC today. Despite being ostensibly only addressed to 21 recipients, the same telegram was received addressed to the same recipients by multiple nations not on the list ([1]).
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The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
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RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Outer Sparta » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:38 pm
Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....
The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.
There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.
After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".
by WayNeacTia » Sun Nov 20, 2022 10:44 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....
This is the statement put out by our region's WA office:The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.
There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.
After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".
There's basically nothing justifying a vote for the repeal, it's just addressing telegram spam.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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by Pangurstan » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:12 pm
by Junitaki-cho » Sun Nov 20, 2022 11:17 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:Wayneactia wrote:It's also disappointing to see Europe voting for this, given their long established claims of neutrality.....
This is the statement put out by our region's WA office:The Government is aware of certain irregularities under sections 1(a)–(b) of the Telegrams (World Assembly) Act 2016.
Specifically, there has been a surreptitious campaign to rally votes against the proposal in the Security Council under the noses of the Government. Certain puppets, which we believe to be associated with the person whose condemnation is to be repealed, have sent targeted campaign telegrams to people in the region. There is no evidence that these telegrams were solicited and we believe these telegrams were sent only because the recipient voted for the repeal.
There is no real substantive difference between blanketing a region with "tag:wa" telegrams and sending telegrams 1-by-1 to every person in that region. The problem that European electors recognised in 2016 is the same one that exists today: unsolicited telegram messages. The Government will accordingly respond by registering a vote for the current Security Council resolution.
After consultation from the Commission, the Government may also permit the dispatch of a single counter-counter-campaign which is targeted towards voters currently voting "against".
There's basically nothing justifying a vote for the repeal, it's just addressing telegram spam.
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