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by Xanthal » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:03 pm
by Fort Concord » Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:17 pm
Xanthal wrote:If length is the only issue, I can almost certainly shorten it. What's the character limit on a resolution? I've never done this before.
by Lenlyvit » Tue Oct 04, 2022 2:05 pm
Fort Concord wrote:Xanthal wrote:If length is the only issue, I can almost certainly shorten it. What's the character limit on a resolution? I've never done this before.
The character limit is 5,000. Do note that this includes any BB-code in it, the limit applies to the raw submitted text, not just the display result.
by Unibot III » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:14 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:Fort Concord wrote:The character limit is 5,000. Do note that this includes any BB-code in it, the limit applies to the raw submitted text, not just the display result.
Yep. Hence the problem I ran into. When I substituted Xanthals clause for mine, and removed every piece of bbcode on top of that, I still ended up over the character limit by around 200 characters.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lenlyvit » Tue Oct 04, 2022 4:41 pm
Unibot III wrote:Lenlyvit wrote:Yep. Hence the problem I ran into. When I substituted Xanthals clause for mine, and removed every piece of bbcode on top of that, I still ended up over the character limit by around 200 characters.
If you posted the revised draft here with Xanthal’s edits maybe some authors could help cut 200 characters out — that’s not too bad in terms of reductions. You’ll just have to tighten some language up.
by Unibot III » Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:50 pm
Noting that throughout NationStates there are regions of truly ancient status founded in the time before founding nations held executive power amongst their peers, between November 2002 and April 2003;
Knowing that among these regions some had one nation take executive powers over the region through many various means, including elections and godly appointments, while a small minority did not;
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lenlyvit » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:23 pm
by Sedgistan » Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:50 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:I'd also like to request a legality check to make sure that my last part doesn't violate the no legislating rule.
by Unibot III » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:32 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Tinhampton » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:33 pm
by Lenlyvit » Mon Oct 10, 2022 5:51 pm
Unibot III wrote:I’ll throw my 2 cents in.
I believe the “Sanctions” language and all of its sub clauses are fine, because its sanction acts as an official recognition. The WA is ‘officially recognizing’ these administrations that meet a list of conditions. It doesn’t require any nations or regions to do anything, nations voluntarily choose to participate in these administrations and try to meet the WA’s conditions of approval.
The last clause, however, seems problematic to me (and unnecessary given the clause before it accomplishes everything that the last clause is doing), because it anticipates the WASC requiring nations to meet obligations that the WASC actually cannot set.
by Xanthal » Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:10 pm
The Security Council,
Noting that extant within the NationStates multiverse there are a dwindling number of regions created between November 2002 and early April 2003, before founding nations held executive power, and that among them, those not made immortal by the gods to serve as their machinery are uniquely vulnerable;
Defines these as historical regions.
Enumerates the last remaining historical regions that never acquired an executive founder: Belgium, Bucketheadland, Carioch, Eutopia, EWU, Hattrick, Haven, Lake ilopango, Liberal Paradise, Secularia, Seven Eleven, South Pacific, The AGS Commonwealth, The Proletariat Coalition, The West, User Friendlia, NationStates, Canada, Middle Earth, St Abbaddon, Stargate, Yorkshire, SPACE, and LUE;
Recognizes those historical regions that have since had a founder nation appointed to lead them, including: Europe, 10000 Islands, Texas, The Heartland, Wysteria, Nasicournia, Space Sector RPRA, Hell, ISAF2, Subreality, Germany, Kattar, Katasia, USSR, Anarchy, and Axis of Absurdity; and
Remembers the many regions from this period, too many to list, that have ceased to exist.
Believing that historical regions are worthy of preservation;
Encourages the interregional community to protect these historical regions, whether they are founderless now or lose their founders in the future, against subversion or aggression by:
• The writing of interregional protection treaties which can be adopted by those of defender, independent, imperialist and non-aligned ideologies alike to protect historical regions from external military forces.
• The enactment of measures by governments of historical regions to preempt attack and malicious refounding.
• The passage or rejection of Liberation resolutions and their repeals based on native support.
• The establishment of policies by all regional governments to support the native population and governance of historical regions, including political and military intervention where appropriate.
Affirming the doctrine of this Assembly to be that the expressed will of the native population and its recognized representatives are the supreme authority in deciding a region's policy and its future, including whether and how to implement access controls;
Acknowledges that with the passage of time, native populations and governments may become silent, indifferent, inactive, or cease to exist entirely; therefore
Sanctions the creation by concerned nations of Caretaker Conservation Administrations (CCAs) to govern historical regions where no legitimate native leaders exist, or where such leaders request them, subject to the following conditions:
• CCAs may include nations not native to the region they govern, but these must move to the region for the duration of their participation in the CCA.
• CCAs are required to operate independently and membership cannot be limited or denied based on affiliations outside the region.
• Members of a CCA are expected to prioritize the best interest of the region over that of themselves and other organizations when acting in that capacity.
• CCAs must make a good faith effort to honor the history of the region and the preferences of pre-established natives.
• CCAs are obliged to recruit for and promote active participation in the region to establish new native stakeholders.
• The express goal of a CCA is to establish a healthy, independent region with independent native leadership.
• Once native leaders are established, the CCA must dissolve or subordinate itself to the native administration.
• CCA members cannot serve concurrently in the native administration, nor use proxies to do so.
Establishes this Historical Region Act and authorizes the passage of additional resolutions to expand native rights and regional conservation.
by Lenlyvit » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:24 am
Xanthal wrote:For what little it's worth, Unibot's interpretation is the intended reading.
I've made an attempt to improve the cohesion of the text, make it look nicer, streamline, remove redundancies, and alter some wording that I thought could be improved. Also applied the proper capitalization to SPACE
Hopefully it meets with Lenlyvit's approval.The Security Council,
Noting that extant within the NationStates multiverse there are a dwindling number of player-created historical regions with ancient origin, created between November 2002 and early April 2003, before founding nations held executive power;
Names the remaining regions of this group that never acquired an executive founder: Belgium, Bucketheadland, Carioch, Eutopia, EWU, Hattrick, Haven, Lake ilopango, Liberal Paradise, Secularia, Seven Eleven, South Pacific, The AGS Commonwealth, The Proletariat Coalition, The West, User Friendlia, NationStates, Canada, Middle Earth, St Abbaddon, Stargate, Yorkshire, SPACE, and LUE;
Recognizes those that have since had a founder nation appointed to lead them, including: Europe, 10000 Islands, Texas, The Heartland, Wysteria, Nasicournia, Space Sector RPRA, Hell, ISAF2, Subreality, Germany, Kattar, Katasia, USSR, Anarchy, and Axis of Absurdity; and
Honors the many other regions, too many to list, from this period that have ceased to exist.
Believing that these regions have historical importance, and those that still exist are worthy of preservation;
Encourages the interregional community to protect these historical regions, whether they are founderless now or lose their founders in the future, against subversion or aggression by:
• The writing of interregional protection treaties which can be adopted by those of defender, independent, imperialist and non-aligned ideologies alike to protect historical regions from external military forces.
• The enactment of measures by governments of historical regions to preempt attack and malicious refounding.
• The passage or rejection of Liberation resolutions and their repeals based on native support.
• The establishment of policies by all regional governments to support the native population and governance of historical regions, including political and military intervention where appropriate.
Affirming the doctrine of this Assembly to be that the expressed will of the native population and its recognized representative(s) are the supreme authority in deciding a region's policy and its future, including whether and how to implement access controls;
Acknowledges that with the passage of time, native populations and governments may become silent, indifferent, inactive, or cease to exist entirely; therefore
Sanctions the creation by concerned nations of Caretaker Conservation Administrations (CCAs) to govern historical regions where no legitimate native leaders exist, or where such leaders request them, subject to the following conditions:
• CCAs may include nations not native to the region they govern, but these must move to the region for the duration of their participation in the CCA.
• CCAs are required to operate independently and membership cannot be limited or denied based on affiliations outside the region.
• Members of a CCA are expected to prioritize the best interest of the region over that of themselves and other organizations when acting in that capacity.
• CCAs must make a good faith effort to honor the history of the region and the preferences of pre-established natives.
• CCAs are obliged to recruit for and promote active participation in the region to establish new native stakeholders.
• The express goal of a CCA is to establish a healthy, independent region with independent native leadership.
• Once native leaders are established, the CCA must dissolve or subordinate itself to the native administration.
• CCA members cannot serve concurrently in the native administration, nor use proxies to do so.
Establishes this Historical Region Act and authorizes the passage of additional resolutions to advance native rights and regional conservation.
by Xanthal » Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:16 am
Lenlyvit wrote:...in your first clause "player-created" is a rules violation. I might change it to "nation-created" seeing as the Feeders and Sinkers are game created. Although, some of those were actually founded by Testlandia.
The Security Council,
Noting that extant within the NationStates multiverse there are a dwindling number of regions created between November 2002 and early April 2003, before founding nations held executive power, and that among them, those not made immortal by the gods to serve as their machinery are uniquely vulnerable;
Defines these as historical regions.
Enumerates the last remaining historical regions that never acquired an executive founder: Belgium, Bucketheadland, Carioch, Eutopia, EWU, Hattrick, Haven, Lake ilopango, Liberal Paradise, Secularia, Seven Eleven, South Pacific, The AGS Commonwealth, The Proletariat Coalition, The West, User Friendlia, NationStates, Canada, Middle Earth, St Abbaddon, Stargate, Yorkshire, SPACE, and LUE;
Recognizes those historical regions that have since had a founder nation appointed to lead them, including: Europe, 10000 Islands, Texas, The Heartland, Wysteria, Nasicournia, Space Sector RPRA, Hell, ISAF2, Subreality, Germany, Kattar, Katasia, USSR, Anarchy, and Axis of Absurdity; and
Remembers the many regions from this period that have ceased to exist.
Believing that historical regions are worthy of preservation;
Encourages the interregional community to safeguard these historical regions, whether they are founderless now or lose their founders in the future, against subversion or aggression by:
• The writing of interregional treaties which can be adopted by those of defender, independent, imperialist and non-aligned ideologies alike to protect historical regions from external military forces.
• The enactment of measures by governments of historical regions to preempt attack and malicious refounding.
• The passage or rejection of Liberation resolutions and their repeals based on native support.
• The establishment of policies by all regional governments to support the native population and governance of historical regions, including political and military intervention where appropriate.
Affirming the doctrine of this Assembly to be that the expressed will of the native population and its recognized representatives are the supreme authority in deciding a region's policy and its future, including whether and how to implement access controls;
Acknowledges that with the passage of time, native populations and governments may become silent, indifferent, inactive, or cease to exist entirely; therefore
Sanctions the creation by concerned nations of Caretaker Conservation Administrations (CCAs) to govern historical regions where no legitimate native leaders exist, or where such leaders request them, subject to the following conditions:
• CCAs may include nations not native to the region they govern, but these must move to the region for the duration of their participation in the CCA.
• CCAs are required to operate independently and membership cannot be limited or denied based on affiliations outside the region.
• Members of a CCA are expected to prioritize the best interest of the region over that of themselves and other organizations when acting in that capacity.
• CCAs must make a good faith effort to honor the history of the region and the preferences of pre-established natives.
• CCAs are obliged to recruit for and promote active participation in the region to establish new native stakeholders.
• The express goal of a CCA is to establish a healthy, independent region with independent native leadership.
• Once native leaders are established, the CCA must dissolve or subordinate itself to the native administration.
• CCA members cannot serve concurrently in the native administration, nor use proxies to do so.
Establishes this Historical Region Act and authorizes the passage of additional resolutions to expand native rights and regional conservation.
by Lenlyvit » Tue Oct 11, 2022 12:21 pm
Xanthal wrote:Lenlyvit wrote:...in your first clause "player-created" is a rules violation. I might change it to "nation-created" seeing as the Feeders and Sinkers are game created. Although, some of those were actually founded by Testlandia.
I wasn't sure since there are Commendations and Condemnations that mention players. SC rules confuse me; feels like you're always half in and half out of character. I've made an effort to fix this and included it in my latest draft, copied below.The Security Council,
Noting that extant within the NationStates multiverse there are a dwindling number of regions created between November 2002 and early April 2003, before founding nations held executive power, and that among them, those not made immortal by the gods to serve as their machinery are uniquely vulnerable;
Defines these as historical regions.
Enumerates the last remaining historical regions that never acquired an executive founder: Belgium, Bucketheadland, Carioch, Eutopia, EWU, Hattrick, Haven, Lake ilopango, Liberal Paradise, Secularia, Seven Eleven, South Pacific, The AGS Commonwealth, The Proletariat Coalition, The West, User Friendlia, NationStates, Canada, Middle Earth, St Abbaddon, Stargate, Yorkshire, SPACE, and LUE;
Recognizes those historical regions that have since had a founder nation appointed to lead them, including: Europe, 10000 Islands, Texas, The Heartland, Wysteria, Nasicournia, Space Sector RPRA, Hell, ISAF2, Subreality, Germany, Kattar, Katasia, USSR, Anarchy, and Axis of Absurdity; and
Remembers the many regions from this period, too many to list, that have ceased to exist.
Believing that historical regions are worthy of preservation;
Encourages the interregional community to protect these historical regions, whether they are founderless now or lose their founders in the future, against subversion or aggression by:
• The writing of interregional protection treaties which can be adopted by those of defender, independent, imperialist and non-aligned ideologies alike to protect historical regions from external military forces.
• The enactment of measures by governments of historical regions to preempt attack and malicious refounding.
• The passage or rejection of Liberation resolutions and their repeals based on native support.
• The establishment of policies by all regional governments to support the native population and governance of historical regions, including political and military intervention where appropriate.
Affirming the doctrine of this Assembly to be that the expressed will of the native population and its recognized representatives are the supreme authority in deciding a region's policy and its future, including whether and how to implement access controls;
Acknowledges that with the passage of time, native populations and governments may become silent, indifferent, inactive, or cease to exist entirely; therefore
Sanctions the creation by concerned nations of Caretaker Conservation Administrations (CCAs) to govern historical regions where no legitimate native leaders exist, or where such leaders request them, subject to the following conditions:
• CCAs may include nations not native to the region they govern, but these must move to the region for the duration of their participation in the CCA.
• CCAs are required to operate independently and membership cannot be limited or denied based on affiliations outside the region.
• Members of a CCA are expected to prioritize the best interest of the region over that of themselves and other organizations when acting in that capacity.
• CCAs must make a good faith effort to honor the history of the region and the preferences of pre-established natives.
• CCAs are obliged to recruit for and promote active participation in the region to establish new native stakeholders.
• The express goal of a CCA is to establish a healthy, independent region with independent native leadership.
• Once native leaders are established, the CCA must dissolve or subordinate itself to the native administration.
• CCA members cannot serve concurrently in the native administration, nor use proxies to do so.
Establishes this Historical Region Act and authorizes the passage of additional resolutions to expand native rights and regional conservation.
by Unibot III » Tue Oct 11, 2022 6:48 pm
Tinhampton wrote:I do not support the "must" language. Declarations express opinions about, not instructions to, third parties.
Lenlyvit wrote:Unibot III wrote:I’ll throw my 2 cents in.
I believe the “Sanctions” language and all of its sub clauses are fine, because its sanction acts as an official recognition. The WA is ‘officially recognizing’ these administrations that meet a list of conditions. It doesn’t require any nations or regions to do anything, nations voluntarily choose to participate in these administrations and try to meet the WA’s conditions of approval.
The last clause, however, seems problematic to me (and unnecessary given the clause before it accomplishes everything that the last clause is doing), because it anticipates the WASC requiring nations to meet obligations that the WASC actually cannot set.
After re-reading that last clause I agree, and I've removed it from the draft. I believe that would have violated the rules.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lenlyvit » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:01 pm
by Xyeox » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:12 pm
Lenlyvit wrote:I'm still waiting on the legality ruling for sanctioning the creation of CCAs, and possibly getting one for the executive founders part? But, in the meantime, I was able to get in contact with Casl of Stargate and they're in favor of the proposal. That's only three Founderless regions in favor, but I still haven't heard from any of the other ones yet.
Edit: I'm also hoping to hear from Luna Amore as well at some point.
by Sedgistan » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:41 pm
by Xanthal » Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:00 pm
Sedgistan wrote:The executive founders part is fine. The other aspect is still being discussed but likely to be that while sanctioning the creation of a committee is fine, setting out requirements for its operation in definite terms such as "must" and "are obliged to" goes beyond what a Declaration has the power to do.
by Lenlyvit » Sat Oct 15, 2022 5:35 pm
Sedgistan wrote:The executive founders part is fine. The other aspect is still being discussed but likely to be that while sanctioning the creation of a committee is fine, setting out requirements for its operation in definite terms such as "must" and "are obliged to" goes beyond what a Declaration has the power to do.
by Xanthal » Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:31 pm
by Xanthal » Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:34 am
by Unibot III » Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:25 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
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