Should the Soviet Union flag be considered offensive?

[Armeattla]

The most accepted and detailed estimate is 3.9 million. So that is straight up a lie.
Second the intention needed for genocide can not be proven - especially since the Holodomor happened within the context of the Soviet Famine of 30-33 - where the entire Union was struck by famine due to draughts in critical regions during time of agricultural weakness.

You are denying the Holodomor.

"Oh no! You can't just bring nuance into the topic of the Holodomor! You denialist!"
Technically I would be revising the Holodomor - which frankly isn't even wrong thing to do since the scientific consensus on the Holodomor is quite different from the popular anti-communist lies.
And don't come with "but the Ukrainians!" - I don't care about the manufactured grief of the Ukranian national myth.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

You are denying the Holodomor.

"Oh no! You can't just bring nuance into the topic of the Holodomor! You denialist!"
Technically I would be revising the Holodomor - which frankly isn't even wrong thing to do since the scientific consensus on the Holodomor is quite different from the popular anti-communist lies.
And don't come with "but the Ukrainians!" - I don't care about the manufactured grief of the Ukranian national myth.

Wow. Just wow.

[Armeattla]

"Oh no! You can't just bring nuance into the topic of the Holodomor! You denialist!"
Technically I would be revising the Holodomor - which frankly isn't even wrong thing to do since the scientific consensus on the Holodomor is quite different from the popular anti-communist lies.
And don't come with "but the Ukrainians!" - I don't care about the manufactured grief of the Ukranian national myth.

Wow. Just wow.

And before you say a single bloody word: No, I do not care a single flying fuck for Putin's fascistic and revisionist new Russian national myth either - it's a fucking wonder he didn't get lynched by the communists yet.

[Port Caverton]

Wow. Just wow.

And before you say a single bloody word: No, I do not care a single flying fuck for Putin's fascistic and revisionist new Russian national myth either - it's a fucking wonder he didn't get lynched by the communists yet.

Might have to do with the fact that he's a dictator

[Ozeanreisende]

I don't find the USSR flag to be offensive, but I find the Imperial Japanese WW2 flag to be offensive.

I see the Imperial WW2 Japanese flag design every now and then, but no one says anything. I see it as Asia's Nazi flag.

I agree with you the WWII japanese flag is offensive to literally more then 1 billion people mostly chinese and koreans but theres people around the world like me who it offends

[Armeattla]

And before you say a single bloody word: No, I do not care a single flying fuck for Putin's fascistic and revisionist new Russian national myth either - it's a fucking wonder he didn't get lynched by the communists yet.

Might have to do with the fact that he's a dictator

As well as the fact that some of the commies are apparently somewhat iffy - albeit one faction is apparently pretty alright.

[El Lazaro]

Whether flags of evil regimes are considered offensive is dependent on national historical context. Nazi Germany directly threatened Americans and Western Europeans, and their war is widely remembered as an ideological war between good and evil in those countries. Go to SE Asia, and people don’t know or care much about the European Theater. The Nazi flag just isn’t a big deal. In Japan, the Imperial flag is just another part of its past, while it’s a symbol of atrocities in China. The Soviets ended up not being a threat to people in your country, but their flag is still going to be offensive in countries like Ukraine.

[Reino de Portvgal]

Why should it? The same goes for any flag, no flag should be banned. There are inumerous flags that represent death and opression, if we ban one we will have to ban another one and then another one. It's a never ending story.

[Parai Hambriven]

I'm a libertarian, and there are some people rather close to me that were born in the Soviet Union (although they were young enough for just their parents to have really suffered). My first thought when I see the Soviet flag isn't offense, I just think of all the terrible things that happened because of the Soviet leaders and Politburo. When I get a bit insulted is depending on the context that the flag is present. Is it in a museum? Historical site? Political rally? Communist student group? And even then, I'm not repulsed by the flag (because honestly, if it weren't tied to the Soviet Union, it's kinda cool), I'm repulsed by the gross ignorance of the people celebrating the Soviet fucking Union.

[Reino de Portvgal]

The USSR carried out a genocide that killed over 7 million Ukrainians in one year.

The most accepted and detailed estimate is 3.9 million. So that is straight up a lie.
Second the intention needed for genocide can not be proven - especially since the Holodomor happened within the context of the Soviet Famine of 30-33 - where the entire Union was struck by famine due to draughts in critical regions during time of agricultural weakness.

Oh, it was just 3.9 million? What's all the fuss about then? It was all because of draughts anyway.
I just love commieboos

[Risottia]

Are you serious?
Are you actually counting ONLY the Jews? Russians, Poles, Czechs, Romanì, Serbs are a joke to you?

I couldn't find consensus on the number of non-Jews killed, so I settled with a vague "over 6 million".

Well, if you seek for consensus from "sources" like the supporters of the "Black Book of Communism", you're going to have to settle for "200 Jews killed in Germany by a RAF bombing" and that's it.

[The North Polish Union]

You are denying the Holodomor.

"Oh no! You can't just bring nuance into the topic of the Holodomor! You denialist!"
Technically I would be revising the Holodomor - which frankly isn't even wrong thing to do since the scientific consensus on the Holodomor is quite different from the popular anti-communist lies.
And don't come with "but the Ukrainians!" - I don't care about the manufactured grief of the Ukranian national myth.

What do you think the scientific consensus on the Hołodomor is?

[New Morsland]

Why should it? The same goes for any flag, no flag should be banned. There are inumerous flags that represent death and opression, if we ban one we will have to ban another one and then another one. It's a never ending story.

Exactly. Apparently Stalin ( not the USSR itself during all of its time, Stalins time period ) caused the death of about 20 MILLION people or higher. If the N@zi flag is banned then the Soviet flag should be too.

I mean, you can be offended by it if you want, and if you leave somewhere like Ukraine or Poland then you have every right to, but banning a flag is nothing but denying the past and without the past you can’t move on. It’s better to study the flag and learn from our ( pretty stupid ) mistakes.

[Lomacrato]

I was thinking why are there so many former Soviet Repubilcs banning the use of the Soviet Flag, I was wondering should the Sovoet Flag be illegal in America?, In my opinion no, since unlike other flags like the German 1944 Flag, and The Confederate flag, it shouldn't be illegal because, it wasn't as bad as Nazi Germany or The Confederate Flag. Germany banned jews, which The Soviet Union didn't, Yes, the Soviet Union may have been apart of the Axis, but it was only to trap Hitler into getting raided.

[Cuba 2022 RP]

The Sov. Union never joined the Axis. They offered to

[Lomacrato]

The Sov. Union never joined the Axis. They offered to

Oh, sorry I didn't remember searching "Soviet Union joining Axis".

[Racoda]

1. The USA, to my knowledge, doesn't ban any flags: definitely not the confederate flag, nor even the nazi flag. It would follow that the soviet one wouldn't be banned either.
2. The USSR wasn't part of the Axis.
3. The USSR wasn't friendly to Jews either, though obviously not to the extent of killing them in concentration camps as the nazis did.

[Lomacrato]

1. The USA, to my knowledge, doesn't ban any flags: definitely not the confederate flag, nor even the nazi flag. It would follow that the soviet one wouldn't be banned either.
2. The USSR wasn't part of the Axis.
3. The USSR wasn't friendly to Jews either, though obviously not to the extent of killing them in concentration camps as the nazis did.

Ok, but how did you learn that?

[Racoda]

Ok, but how did you learn that?

I went to school.

[Repreteop]

1. The USA, to my knowledge, doesn't ban any flags: definitely not the confederate flag, nor even the nazi flag. It would follow that the soviet one wouldn't be banned either.
2. The USSR wasn't part of the Axis.
3. The USSR wasn't friendly to Jews either, though obviously not to the extent of killing them in concentration camps as the nazis did.

Ok, but how did you learn that?

r/facepalm

[Lomacrato]

Ok, but how did you learn that?

I went to school.

Ok, if you went to school, what are the 7 continents?

[Repreteop]

I went to school.

Ok, if you went to school, what are the 7 continents?

...

Are you trolling?

[Lomacrato]

Ok, but how did you learn that?

r/facepalm

Stop advertising your old stinky outdated subreddit

[Lomacrato]

r/facepalm

Stop advertising your old stinky outdated subreddit

No

[Floofybit]

I went to school.

Ok, if you went to school, what are the 7 continents?

I'm pretty sure everyone knows this. Also, anyone could have easily looked this up. I'm pretty sure a moderator of a POLITICAL game wouldn't lie to you