[PASSED] Repeal "Equal Justice Under Law"

[Goobergunchia]

The printer at the desk of Adelia Meritt is producing an ominously large number of pages. One such page reads as follows:

Repeal "Equal Justice Under Law"

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Category: Repeal || Resolution: GAR #572 || Proposed by: Excidium Planetis

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Description:

The Assembly of Worlds,

Believing in the value of holding public officials accountable for their actions, including ending unnecessary immunity from prosecution of crimes,

Arguing that nevertheless, GA#572 "Equal Justice Under Law" not only does not do that, but also even endorses such "qualified immunity" of public officials,

Stating the facts as such:

• GA#572 "Establishes that all private and public individuals, officials, entities, and institutions... be held accountable... under any guidelines and/or disciplinary measures that may be in use by a particular organization."
• GA#572 makes no rules regarding these disciplinary measures.
• Institutions in member nations may therefore set their own guidelines and disciplinary measures, including such things as paid administrative leave, and consider this to be sufficient accountability.

Encouraging the members of this Assembly to think carefully about the legislation they choose to enact in the future and whether it is really an improvement over the resolutions we frequently repeal,

Destroys "Equal Justice Under Law"

[The Ice States]

"Is there a replacement, ambassador?"

[Excidium Planetis]

"Is there a replacement, ambassador?"

Adelia Meritt, too absorbed in drafting a Repeal of "Volcanic Activity Convention" to take notice of the Ice States' representative, does not reply.

OOC:
No, but if you want to write one, go ahead.

[Daarwyrth]

Princess Madelyne Zylkoven, WA Representative of Daarwyrth: "Opposed. Not merely because we were the authoring delegation, the argumentation within the repeal proposal feels as a repeal for the sake of a repeal, without providing a substantive argumentative basis."

[WayNeacTia]

Support!

[Tinhampton]

The Rule of Law was, in fact, repealed and replaced by Equal Justice Under Law (a title I suggested!) so that the World Assembly could take effective action to end qualified immunity. It does not, as you argue, "endorse" QI, as most Americans would understand it (i.e. in the context of the police). To claim otherwise would be an Honest Mistake.

Besides, I am a fan of some of the other repeals you have put to this forum over the last few hours. But I am not a fan of this repeal. It complains that the World Assembly (via EJUL) does not micromanage organisational disciplinary codes, before going on to argue that the World Assembly (in principle) should not be micromanaging organisational disciplinary codes.

[Heidgaudr]

The Rule of Law was, in fact, repealed and replaced by Equal Justice Under Law (a title I suggested!) so that the World Assembly could take effective action to end qualified immunity. It does not, as you argue, "endorse" QI, as most Americans would understand it (i.e. in the context of the police). To claim otherwise would be an Honest Mistake.

IA seems to disagree.

[Excidium Planetis]

The Rule of Law was, in fact, repealed and replaced by Equal Justice Under Law (a title I suggested!) so that the World Assembly could take effective action to end qualified immunity. It does not, as you argue, "endorse" QI, as most Americans would understand it (i.e. in the context of the police). To claim otherwise would be an Honest Mistake.

OOC: I can get the opinion of further members of GenSec (IA and Banana have both commented on this already), but I don't believe what I put in the repeal is substantially false. Equal Justice Under Law does in fact allow organizations in member nations to hold their members responsible according to their own guidelines, which the resolution does not restrict.

Besides, I am a fan of some of the other repeals you have put to this forum over the last few hours. But I am not a fan of this repeal. It complains that the World Assembly (via EJUL) does not micromanage organisational disciplinary codes, before going on to argue that the World Assembly (in principle) should not be micromanaging organisational disciplinary codes.

Just because I don't believe it should micromanage WA member nations does not mean this is not a flaw in the target resolution.

[Roylaii]

"We absolutely cannot, in good faith, support any repeal of the target, no matter how compelling, without sufficient replacement. Roylaii would prefer to have a flawed resolution in place on this matter than none at all" - R. W. Poirot

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC. I want to note that the repeal-replace process that Tinhampton Daarwyrth co-lead actually vitiated the then-existing legislation which actually did obliterate qualified immunity… to replace it with legislation that did not. If we actually care about getting rid of qualified immunity, Tinhampton & Co Daarwyrth et al are not credible advocates for it.

Edit. My apologies to Tinhampton for wrongfully associating her good name with the repeal-replace effort that destroyed qualified immunity and replaced it with admin-leave-for-all. Daarwyrth rightfully corrected me below; I was wrong not to attribute the programme of ensuring police officers are given paid administrative leave in lieu of real punishment thereto. Fixed wrong tag; I used blocktext instead of strike.

[Daarwyrth]

OOC. I want to note that the repeal-replace process that Tinhampton co-lead actually vitiated the then-existing legislation which actually did obliterate qualified immunity… to replace it with legislation that did not. If we actually care about getting rid of qualified immunity, Tinhampton & Co are not credible advocates for it.

OOC: Tinhampton was not an author of the repeal or replace, mind you. Greater Cesnica repealed with me as co-author, and I authored the replacement with Greater Cesnica as co-author. If we're talking about credibility, it would serve you well to have your facts straight, before saying anything about the credibility of another.

[Imperium Anglorum]

OOC. I want to note that the repeal-replace process that Tinhampton co-lead actually vitiated the then-existing legislation which actually did obliterate qualified immunity… to replace it with legislation that did not. If we actually care about getting rid of qualified immunity, Tinhampton & Co are not credible advocates for it.

OOC: Tinhampton was not an author of the repeal or replace, mind you. Greater Cesnica repealed with me as co-author, and I authored the replacement with Greater Cesnica as co-author. If we're talking about credibility, it would serve you well to have your facts straight, before saying anything about the credibility of another.

Oh, my apologies, I had confused this legislative effort that left the world worse off (Equal Justice Under Law) one of the other legislative efforts on a similar topic that left the world worse off (LEO Force Restrictions). I discussed the two at the same time in a blog post about resolutions that don't do anything, which must be the source of my confusion. Thank you for the correction and for taking credit for writing this resolution that doesn't do anything instead of that other resolution that doesn't do anything.

(Edit. Corrected broken link added the quote tags in.)

[Cretox State]

"Support. We don't see a pressing need for a replacement, seeing as the target isn't merely limited in what it does, but does effectively nothing at all."

[Daarwyrth]

Oh, my apologies, I had confused this legislative effort that left the world worse off (Equal Justice Under Law) one of the other legislative efforts on a similar topic that left the world worse off (LEO Force Restrictions). I discussed the two at the same time in a blog post about resolutions that don't do anything, which must be the source of my confusion. Thank you for the correction and for taking credit for writing this resolution that doesn't do anything instead of that other resolution that doesn't do anything.

(Edit. Corrected broken link added the quote tags in.)

OOC: Considering that it's very easy to see who the author of a resolution is, I highly doubt my authorship of "Equal Justice Under Law" is that much of a novelty as you make it out to be.

[Tinhampton]

Oh, my apologies, I had confused this legislative effort that left the world worse off (Equal Justice Under Law) one of the other legislative efforts on a similar topic that left the world worse off (LEO Force Restrictions). I discussed the two at the same time in a blog post about resolutions that don't do anything, which must be the source of my confusion. Thank you for the correction and for taking credit for writing this resolution that doesn't do anything instead of that other resolution that doesn't do anything.

(Edit. Corrected broken link added the quote tags in.)

OOC: Considering that it's very easy to see who the author of a resolution is, I highly doubt my authorship of "Equal Justice Under Law" is that much of a novelty as you make it out to be.

All three resolutions cited in Resolutions that don’t do anything were co-authored by Greater Cesnica. (IA opened by saying that "this post will not be too popular, especially with the people who may see themselves brought up as examples. But I will not name any names".)

[Daarwyrth]

All three resolutions cited in Resolutions that don’t do anything were co-authored by Greater Cesnica. (IA opened by saying that "this post will not be too popular, especially with the people who may see themselves brought up as examples. But I will not name any names".)

OOC: I see. I haven't read the blog, so I wasn't referring to that, but more to the post IA made in response to my correction. But thanks, Tin, appreciate it!

[West Barack and East Obama]

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Full support for this. Without replacement, even better.

[Daarwyrth]

Zylkoven: "Our delegation has produced what we hope to be a worthy replacement of GAR#572, should this repeal come to pass. The delegation from Excidium Planetis is welcome to refer to the draft should anyone ask whether a replacement is in place."

[Excidium Planetis]

Zylkoven: "Our delegation has produced what we hope to be a worthy replacement of GAR#572, should this repeal come to pass. The delegation from Excidium Planetis is welcome to refer to the draft should anyone ask whether a replacement is in place."

"Indeed, I will, P-princess." Adelia Meritt responds, perhaps a bit late. "Now, er, if there are no further objections, my delegation will advance this proposal soon."

[Excidium Planetis]

"As, uh, I d-deemed this draft to be adequate, and as the author has declared their intent to replace immediately, I have submitted this proposal." Adelia declares.

[Excidium Planetis]

OOC:
This is now at vote.

[Daarwyrth]

Zylkoven: "As the authoring delegation of the target resolution, we heartily encourage our fellow ambassadors to vote in favour of the repeal, as a replacement proposal is ready for submission upon the passing of this repeal."

[Far Away Enough]

While our fellow WA member for Daarwyth might have authored a sufficient draft response to this repeal in the spirit of replacing GAR #572, which the whole of Far Away Enough's leadership is in support of, our leadership nonetheless has decided to vote against this repeal. The basis of our vote is that a repeal with no concrete suggestion for improvement is not something our leadership feels they can support, and must stand against.

Further, we feel that a statement such as "Encouraging the members of this Assembly to think carefully about the legislation they choose to enact in the future and whether it is really an improvement over the resolutions we frequently repeal" implies that members of this Assembly do not think carefully about legislation that they choose to enact. Though Far Away Enough has only been a member nation of the World Assembly for a short time, we feel it is far away from the dignity of the Assembly to apply our support to a proposal of this kind that seeks to make out the weakness of will of World Assembly members.

It is our belief that if the delegate from Excidium Planetis really cares about the outcome of this proposal, that they will in future think carefully about proposals they choose to put forth, and might consider working with the members whose work they seek to repeal and replace with even more nothing than they consider GAR #572 to be. In that case, the delegate from Excidium Planetis might have been given the opportunity to co-author a resolution that satisfied their goals, and would not insult their fellow members of the World Assembly.

(naturally, it's really hard for any of you to hear any of that speech. The delegate from Far Away Enough was definitely standing out of earshot)

[Sepubliccos]

[nation][/nation]When People Say:"Remember! The blood of the descendants of the PKI will continue to flow to his children and grandchildren and he will stil l be a traitor, a lie if not!" I'ts Not Over! Don't Do It! I Want Placing #GAR100 Please!

[Maogs]

Official Statement of the Supreme Head of Official Statements of Publishing the Opinions of the Heads of the International Opinionators of Maogs:

We believe that this is an excellent resolution. It is simple, points out excellent flaws of the article to be repealed, and it will bring a good change to the enforcement of laws worldwide if a replacement is drafted.

Overall: Good repeal.