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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:02 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


What kind of crass oaf would take advantage of her death to lie like that? He really is beneath contempt.

I mean
Untreated pathological narcissism be like that
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:16 am

The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:20 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


Ah dammit. I found it all too believable.
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Postby Perikuresu » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:26 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.

Welp, I did ask for a source (in a tongue and cheek way) and I am heavily disappointed that it's not real
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Postby Myrensis » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:34 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


I mean, it's Donald Trump, you could pick almost any speech, or Tweet, or comment he ever made, and someone who didn't know better could reasonably assume that it must be a joke because he couldn't possibly have said or done something that stupid.

Like, speaking of the Onion, remember this crazy "satirical" story they ran of a man buying up bleach and disinfectant just in case the President told him it could cure the China virus...a month before the press conference where Trump babbled on about whether maybe COVID could be knocked out by injecting some kind of disinfectant?

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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:45 am

Perikuresu wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.

Welp, I did ask for a source (in a tongue and cheek way) and I am heavily disappointed that it's not real


I would be disappointed if someone knowingly spread a fake story, as it just strengthens Trump's narrative of fake news.
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Postby Reino de Portvgal » Sun Sep 11, 2022 5:54 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


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Postby Rusozak » Sun Sep 11, 2022 6:10 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:Soo.. Trump apparantly is claiming the Queen knighted him in a secret ceremony...


It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


I don't believe the Queen would do such a thing, but I wouldn't put it past Trump to make a tasteless claim like that. It's hard to tell in an age where actual headlines are more outrageous than satire.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Sep 11, 2022 7:05 am

Celritannia wrote:Protesters in Edinburgh boo proclamation of King Charles III

Heard this as my mum and I were watching the Royal proclamations before I set off for rehersals.


I didn't catch that when I watched it.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:00 am

Rusozak wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


I don't believe the Queen would do such a thing, but I wouldn't put it past Trump to make a tasteless claim like that. It's hard to tell in an age where actual headlines are more outrageous than satire.

When Diana died Trump was going on about how he wanted to date her. Man has an extra sleaze gland where his tact should be.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Sep 11, 2022 8:51 am

Reino de Portvgal wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
It was a joke by a third party satirising Trump's narcissism, not an actual claim by the former president; but the satire has, weirdly, gained some traction among people who should know better.

Congratulations on putting yourself in the same category as the sort of person who mistakes Onion articles as serious news.


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:01 am

"Because of the royal period of mourning, you can’t lock your bike to a cycle rack in Norwich."

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Postby Wynnemac » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:11 am

Ifreann wrote:"Because of the royal period of mourning, you can’t lock your bike to a cycle rack in Norwich."

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As an American, why is this?

Is it similar to public parks and monuments being closed off during a government shutdown?

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:16 am

Wynnemac wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Because of the royal period of mourning, you can’t lock your bike to a cycle rack in Norwich."

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As an American, why is this?

Is it similar to public parks and monuments being closed off during a government shutdown?

It's because the Brits are all gone a bit mad with grief.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:17 am

Wynnemac wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Because of the royal period of mourning, you can’t lock your bike to a cycle rack in Norwich."

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As an American, why is this?

Is it similar to public parks and monuments being closed off during a government shutdown?


The bike rack is where the council plans to have the queue to sign the book of remembrance in the town hall. It's so the pavement isn't blocked.

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:21 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:As an American, why is this?

Is it similar to public parks and monuments being closed off during a government shutdown?


The bike rack is where the council plans to have the queue to sign the book of remembrance in the town hall. It's so the pavement isn't blocked.

I prefer my answer.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 11, 2022 9:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
The bike rack is where the council plans to have the queue to sign the book of remembrance in the town hall. It's so the pavement isn't blocked.

I prefer my answer.

Embarrassing
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:15 am

hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton
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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:17 am

Necroghastia wrote:hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton

Further than Emma Bunton - who, as of 2007, was 103rd in line to the throne (according to Steve Wright's Further Factoids, a book published that year which was a collection of facts unearthed by the popular Radio 2 drivetime host and his team). Never mind the fact that George, Louis, Charlotte, Archibald and other cheeky little rascals have served to push her down the order a bit since then. Zig-a-zig-aah!
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:20 am

Necroghastia wrote:hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton

Actually a knighthood is not considered to confer noble status in the British system of nobility. And the nobility and the line of succession are two entirely different things anyway. As far as I'm aware, Elton John is not a descendant of Sophia, Electress of Hanover, and so ineligible to ascend the throne according to the terms of the 1701 Act of Settlement.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:21 am

Necroghastia wrote:hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton

Further than this woman, the five thousand-sevenhundred and fifty-secondth(?) in line.
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Postby Necroghastia » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:21 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton

Actually a knighthood is not considered to confer noble status in the British system of nobility. And the nobility and the line of succession are two entirely different things anyway. As far as I'm aware, Elton John is not a descendant of Sophia, Electress of Hanover, and so ineligible to ascend the throne according to the terms of the 1701 Act of Settlement.

interesting, thank you
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:25 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Wynnemac wrote:As an American, why is this?

Is it similar to public parks and monuments being closed off during a government shutdown?


The bike rack is where the council plans to have the queue to sign the book of remembrance in the town hall. It's so the pavement isn't blocked.


Couldn't they have picked a car parking space.
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Postby Michel Meilleur » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:32 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:hey so knights are technically nobility right

how far down the line would we have to go to get king elton

Actually a knighthood is not considered to confer noble status in the British system of nobility. And the nobility and the line of succession are two entirely different things anyway. As far as I'm aware, Elton John is not a descendant of Sophia, Electress of Hanover, and so ineligible to ascend the throne according to the terms of the 1701 Act of Settlement.

As Guillaume the bastard proved tho, "the monarch tots promised the crown to me before croaking" is a good enough claim if you've got enough foreign men-at-arms to back you up so King Elton might not be that impossible a dream to achieve.

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Postby Old Hope » Sun Sep 11, 2022 10:43 am

Rusozak wrote:
Mtwara wrote:The Queen and other members of the royal family are responsible for managing various estates as well as doing all their hand shaking and waving, and from what I understand they've all done it remarkably well and have a track record of doing good things for their tenants. The Queen definitely wasn't just sitting around, and neither was Charles when he was the Prince of Wales.

I don't believe anybody benefits from changing from a constitutional monarchy to a republic, I think politicians discussing it need to find something more important to do.


All of those things can be done by elected officials and their appointees, though.

Not really.
The monarch has extensive reserve powers an elected official would feel much more free to use. Elected officials also tend to be NOT politically neutral, not even publicly. Elected officials are usually more power-hungry than the average person. There are good reasons why a republic is NOT strictly better than a constitutional monarchy. Of course, sometimes you get an awful monarch, but that's not something limited to monarchs...
The monarch is there to stop the government to do what the public absolutely doesn't want, or needs to be consulted about, however, the monarch is not there to stop the people from repeatedly voting for (people with) bad policies. That's what happened in the UK, and the cure for that is not "abolish the monarchy".
Something else needs to be done. Currently the monarchy is preventing worse things from happening and should not be abolished.
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