by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:27 am
by The Orwell Society » Sat Sep 10, 2022 9:35 am
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by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:01 am
by Sweeze » Sat Sep 10, 2022 11:19 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:03 pm
The Orwell Society wrote:I believe this is illegal on several fronts… firstly being your mention of “tagging”, “updates”, “hot keys”, and “buttons”. 2a, perhaps. Secondly, there’s not enough meat in this proposal, doesn’t make a good enough argument for a condemnation in my opinion. Opposed.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by The Orwell Society » Sat Sep 10, 2022 12:53 pm
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The Orwell Society wrote:I believe this is illegal on several fronts… firstly being your mention of “tagging”, “updates”, “hot keys”, and “buttons”. 2a, perhaps. Secondly, there’s not enough meat in this proposal, doesn’t make a good enough argument for a condemnation in my opinion. Opposed.
As usual you are wrong on some points - a read of the rules may help there.
Overall though the draft is pretty crap, poorly written and researched. To the OP, please try harder.
NationStates game: Proposals cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game
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by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:21 pm
The Orwell Society wrote:Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:As usual you are wrong on some points - a read of the rules may help there.
Overall though the draft is pretty crap, poorly written and researched. To the OP, please try harder.
I did read the rules… does this proposal not present a 2a violation? A little refresher…NationStates game: Proposals cannot refer to the game, or events or actions in it, as part of a game
Tagging and updates are indeed part of the game, and mentioning Nationstates with it (though in itself legal) doesn’t help its case)
Tag" (and other variants - "tagging", "detagging" etc.) - legal when referring to the raider/defender practices.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by The Orwell Society » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:24 pm
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:The Orwell Society wrote:I did read the rules… does this proposal not present a 2a violation? A little refresher…
Tagging and updates are indeed part of the game, and mentioning Nationstates with it (though in itself legal) doesn’t help its case)
Missed this bit didn’t you.Tag" (and other variants - "tagging", "detagging" etc.) - legal when referring to the raider/defender practices.
Do try harder...
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by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:25 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:29 pm
The Orwell Society wrote:Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Missed this bit didn’t you.Tag" (and other variants - "tagging", "detagging" etc.) - legal when referring to the raider/defender practices.
Do try harder...
My apologies, but you can’t just dismiss the rest. How is referring to the server’s updates even remotely legal, or a script’s hotkey function?
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Minskiev » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:35 pm
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:39 pm
Minskiev wrote:Maybe doable? Would be very technically difficult, I think. Probably worse than Condemn Lily, and that wasn't a cakewalk.
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:41 pm
by Minskiev » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:45 pm
by Lile Ulie Islands » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:47 pm
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:50 pm
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:I'm not going to say that I am totally opposed to this, however, Lily isn't the worst of raiders. I don't like raiders, I'll put that straight. However, they're not the worst of raiders.
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:51 pm
Minskiev wrote:I would say it's more of how difficult it is to successfully argue that Sweeze's adeptness at tagging is condemnable, since (and this may be completely wrong!) I don't remember if Sweeze has done anything additional that would add to her case. Now, she may very well be the best tagger of all time, but it's if you can argue that she's so good at tagging that she significantly influences R/D by herself. Condemn Lily was easier in that regard, because Lily undoubtedly achieved that.
by Minskiev » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:52 pm
Improper Classifications wrote:Minskiev wrote:I would say it's more of how difficult it is to successfully argue that Sweeze's adeptness at tagging is condemnable, since (and this may be completely wrong!) I don't remember if Sweeze has done anything additional that would add to her case. Now, she may very well be the best tagger of all time, but it's if you can argue that she's so good at tagging that she significantly influences R/D by herself. Condemn Lily was easier in that regard, because Lily undoubtedly achieved that.
It's also the technological side of the argument, since SweezeBreeze is an extension it's difficult to state that it affected R/D without using illegal terms
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:54 pm
by Lile Ulie Islands » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:54 pm
by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:55 pm
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Improper Classifications wrote:I'm not sure who would be worse
The Black Hawks, Suspicious, The Brotherhood of Malice, The Tungsten Order
by Lile Ulie Islands » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:58 pm
by The Orwell Society » Sat Sep 10, 2022 1:59 pm
Lile Ulie Islands wrote:Improper Classifications wrote:I'm not sure who would be worse
The Black Hawks, Suspicious, The Brotherhood of Malice, The Tungsten Order
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by Improper Classifications » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:00 pm
by Lile Ulie Islands » Sat Sep 10, 2022 2:01 pm
The Orwell Society wrote:
Suspicious isn’t a raiding org. It’s a jump point for several raiding orgs. And I’m not sure the Tungsten Order is in really a threat… it’s basically just one nation from what I’ve seen.
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