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by Tinhampton » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:52 pm
by Comfed » Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:56 pm
Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands wrote:As for why we wouldn’t extoll independentism, I find myself irrevocably opposed to the notion it’s not commendable. The Security Council has changed, the prevailing orthodoxy has changed. It’s not now, if it ever has been, that defenderism is the only admirable thing that one could do in the world of Gameplay.
I don't think being 'defenderism', or holding any other ideology commendable. Defenders are commended for the action of defending. Inherently subscribing to or creating an NS ideology in my view is also not worthy of commendation.
by Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands » Mon Aug 01, 2022 8:35 pm
Comfed wrote:Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands wrote:
I don't think being 'defenderism', or holding any other ideology commendable. Defenders are commended for the action of defending. Inherently subscribing to or creating an NS ideology in my view is also not worthy of commendation.
I would say that while holding an ideology is not in itself commendable, Europeia pioneered the ideology of Independence and really is still to this day arguably the Independent region. That is what I would say is commendable, and not merely the fact that they hold such an ideology.
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:13 am
by The Ice States » Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:45 am
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by The North Polish Union » Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:18 pm
Comfed wrote:Saint Tomas and the Northern Ice Islands wrote:
I don't think being 'defenderism', or holding any other ideology commendable. Defenders are commended for the action of defending. Inherently subscribing to or creating an NS ideology in my view is also not worthy of commendation.
I would say that while holding an ideology is not in itself commendable, Europeia pioneered the ideology of Independence and really is still to this day arguably the Independent region. That is what I would say is commendable, and not merely the fact that they hold such an ideology.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Quebecshire » Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:50 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:Self-commendations do tend to be prone to these sorts of blind spots, however.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by The Ice States » Tue Aug 02, 2022 4:50 pm
Applauding the Europeian Republican Navy, the acclaimed military of Europeia, which has held its own on the high seas since the region’s very foundations, has been a bastion of domestic activity for the region through several operations known as “Wargames”, and international cooperation through their participation in a bevy of international operations throughout the years, such as those reclaiming Anne Frank and Union of the Fascist Reich from the fascist menace and more recently the operations surrounding Confederacy of Layem;
While derided in certain corners, “Independence” has proven to be a bedrock of the foreign policy sphere since its foundation in the mid-2010s, uniting Europeia, Balder, The North Pacific, and others in the pursuit of their own interests without respect to dogma. Sustained adherence to the Independent Manifesto has also allowed Europeia to pursue diverse opportunities for engagement with many groups across many different alignments, benefitting Europeia and the wider world in the process;
Appreciating too that Europeian foreign policy interests also extend to ensuring a level playing field for recruitment by regions and that the landmark Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards provided an interregionally-agreed upon curb to recruitment from other regions which do not inherently exist in the multiverse;
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by Hulldom » Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:18 pm
The Ice States wrote:Applauding the Europeian Republican Navy, the acclaimed military of Europeia, which has held its own on the high seas since the region’s very foundations, has been a bastion of domestic activity for the region through several operations known as “Wargames”, and international cooperation through their participation in a bevy of international operations throughout the years, such as those reclaiming Anne Frank and Union of the Fascist Reich from the fascist menace and more recently the operations surrounding Confederacy of Layem;
Maybe it's just me, but the word "menace" gives a kind of sarcastic/exaggeration tone, which I don't think this should give off at all when talking about fascists. Just replacing "the fascist menace" with "fascist control" or something similar would fix this.While derided in certain corners, “Independence” has proven to be a bedrock of the foreign policy sphere since its foundation in the mid-2010s, uniting Europeia, Balder, The North Pacific, and others in the pursuit of their own interests without respect to dogma. Sustained adherence to the Independent Manifesto has also allowed Europeia to pursue diverse opportunities for engagement with many groups across many different alignments, benefitting Europeia and the wider world in the process;
Benefitting Europeia how? "Uniting Europeia [and various region] in the pursuit of their own interests without respect to dogma" is Commendable enough, and the sentence after that seems vague honestly.Appreciating too that Europeian foreign policy interests also extend to ensuring a level playing field for recruitment by regions and that the landmark Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards provided an interregionally-agreed upon curb to recruitment from other regions which do not inherently exist in the multiverse;
"inherently exist in the multiverse"... what??? UCRs absolutely exist, and it would "inherently" have to exist in the multiverse to, um, do anything. I completely agree with Goobergunchia. Just use something like "other regions outside of those created by godly beings", or even just "other regions" and possibly replacing "curb to" with "agreement on".which is affiliated with the World Assembly Legislative League
I think this detail is unnecessary -- just being a member of an interregional organisation is relatively ordinary. If, on the other hand, you are referring to Europeia's contribution to WALL, then you should add more detail on their contribution there in my opinion.
by The Ice States » Tue Aug 02, 2022 5:26 pm
Hulldom wrote:3. Inherently exist in the multiverse=GCR. The goal there was to dance around saying GCR. “Other regions” would be fairly incorrect because while signatories to the Arnhelm Declaration don’t recruit from each other, it was meant to be a true curb on UCR recruitment from other UCRs. I like the way that’s worded now.
4. Europeia is, in some ways, the bedrock of WALL. Sure TNP brings votes and has the history, but Europeian enthusiasm when the thing is humming is kind of unmatched. Parts of this, mind you, is also to note Europeian accomplishments to it because their work has been (1) instrumental in the past year in reviving it and (2) in founding it too.
by Toonela » Tue Aug 02, 2022 9:21 pm
Hulldom wrote:Knowing first that Europeia began as a monarchy in 2007
Assuring the multiverse that Europeia practices inclusion in other ways that participation in government,
Praising the impressive achievements of Europeia in the World Assembly, as part of their prized Ministry of World Assembly Affairs,
by Hulldom » Tue Aug 02, 2022 11:06 pm
Toonela wrote:Here's some minor suggestions to take or leave at your discretion:Hulldom wrote:Knowing first that Europeia began as a monarchy in 2007
"Knowing that Europeia first began" flows a bit better, I think.Assuring the multiverse that Europeia practices inclusion in other ways that participation in government,
". . . in other ways than solely participation in government,"Praising the impressive achievements of Europeia in the World Assembly, as part of their prized Ministry of World Assembly Affairs,
Hmm. Is "part" the best word here to modify "impressive achievements"? I'm not sure what exactly you're going for, but maybe try "results of their prized . . ."? It's a bit unclear to me.
by Unibot III » Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:29 am
Acclaiming regions in the universe which exude stability, provide opportunity, and prove to be implacable on the interregional stage and recognizing that Europeia is one of them;
Lauding Europeia as its democracy has rarely been contained within the confines of elected bodies, but has often encompassed the entirety of the citizenry, as seen through the long and storied histories of the several iterations of the Europeian Citizens’ Assembly and later by allowing national leaders in Europeia to run its capital city of Arnhelm via its City Council;
Believing that democracy cannot function without a robust media sphere, something that Europeia recognizes, encourages, and prizes, with the Europeian Broadcasting Corporation providing Europeians and others news, commentary, and analysis in both text and auditory formats in concert with private outlets such as The Europeian Research Institute, The Panda’s Pen, and others;
Assuring the multiverse that Europeia practices inclusion in other ways than solely participation in government, such as through promoting diverse perspectives on existence through the successful “Women in NS” Symposium and the Project Moirai series run in Europeian regional media, both of which honored female world leaders and provided a forum for them to discuss issues unique to their experiences participating in world affairs, and the annual EuroPride celebrations celebrating LGBTQIA+ national leaders of Europeia;
Applauding the Europeian Republican Navy, the acclaimed military of Europeia, which has held its own on the high seas since the region’s very foundations, has been a bastion of domestic activity for the region through several operations known as “Wargames”, and international cooperation through their participation in a bevy of international operations throughout the years, such as those reclaiming Anne Frank and Union of the Fascist Reich from fascist control and more recently the operations surrounding Confederacy of Layem;
Admiring the innovative approach of Europeia in the field of international relations, wherein Europeia has taken a leading role in the formulation of the theory of action known as “Independence” via their role in the formation of the Independent Manifesto. While derided in certain corners, “Independence” has proven to be a bedrock of the foreign policy sphere since its foundation in the mid-2010s, uniting Europeia, Balder, The North Pacific, and others in the pursuit of their own interests without respect to dogma. Sustained adherence to the Independent Manifesto has also allowed Europeia to pursue diverse opportunities for engagement with many groups across many different alignments, benefitting Europeia and the wider world in the process;
Appreciating too that Europeian foreign policy interests also extend to ensuring a level playing field for recruitment by regions and that the landmark Arnhelm Declaration of Recruitment Standards provided an interregionally-agreed upon curb to recruitment from other regions which do not inherently exist in the multiverse;
Mousebumples, a nation commended largely for their work in the World Assembly, contributions which specifically focused on medical equality among member states,
Maowi, a sloth-filled domain that was also commended largely on the back of their contributions to the World Assembly, but which focused instead on social justice and mentorship of aspiring authors, and
Kaboomlandia, a country which focused on righting the wrongs of the past—specifically by removing the recognition this august assembly bestowed on nations removed from this plane of existence by a fearsome and mysterious figure from the heavens;
Extolling Europeia’s pride of place as a leader among its peers as a shining beacon of stability, a land of hope and opportunity, and as an international bulwark and wishing to afford it the highest honor this assembly can bestow;
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by The North Polish Union » Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:34 am
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Varanius » Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:55 pm
Angeloid Astraea wrote:I can't think of anyone that creates controversy out of nothing better than you!
Excidium Planetis wrote:Yeah, if you could enlighten me as to why you're such an asshole, that would be great.
Koth wrote:Vara is such a dedicated hater, it's impressive
Mlakhavia wrote:Vara isn't a gameplay personality, he's a concentrated ball of spite
by Hulldom » Thu Aug 04, 2022 3:41 pm
by Toonela » Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:14 pm
Hulldom wrote:Last one will have to take a look at in the morning when I can focus more definitely.
by Quebecshire » Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:59 am
The North Polish Union wrote:The ERN clauses note some of the ERN's good actions, but remains silent in its complicity in a number of raids that have led to SC liberations. Attempted whitewashing of this behavior doesn't change the fact that it happened or that there are plenty of current players whose regions have been harmed by the ERN.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:I founded a defender organization out of my dislike of invaders, what invading represents, and my desire to see them suffer.
Pergamon wrote:I must say, you are truly what they deserve.
by Malicious NPU » Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:49 am
Varanius wrote:It is absolutely baffling to me why anyone would waste their time opposing this to the degree NPU does, knowing that the proposal will pass anyway. Truly, few things seem as futile. This proposal will pass, and it will pass overwhelmingly. Throwing a tantrum in the thread isn’t convincing anyone, and it certainly isn’t convincing anyone that actually matters to this proposal’s passage. I look forward to seeing this eventually at vote, and I look forward to seeing it inevitably succeed. It’s quite nice, being on the winning side. Some people here should try it some time….
Hulldom wrote:
As for the raids, NPU, I included what I have been asked to include. I’m not going to expressly overrule my co-author. If you believe it’s purely “whitewashing” of raiding, well, the Against button will be there at vote.
Quebecshire wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:The ERN clauses note some of the ERN's good actions, but remains silent in its complicity in a number of raids that have led to SC liberations. Attempted whitewashing of this behavior doesn't change the fact that it happened or that there are plenty of current players whose regions have been harmed by the ERN.
This is sort of disingenuous and contradictory absurdity has been par for the course for your friends’ crowds for awhile now, so it makes sense you’re getting up to speed on their methods. It is an upgrade from your usual conspiracies in terms of rhetoric, I suppose.
I look forward to your ongoing and practiced (lack of) concern for the sanctity of other communities.
by Fachumonn » Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:31 pm
by Hulldom » Mon Aug 08, 2022 1:40 pm
by WayNeacTia » Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:10 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
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