Armenia-Azerbaijan Clashes

[Rakhalia]

As I have said, the West has abandoned Armenia in search of closer relations with genocidaires...because the oil under our oppressors' land is worth more than thousands of lives to them.

At least the Armenians have one thing going for them. They have there own republic which everyone recognizes. It seems Armenias biggest problem is its small population. They need to increase it somehow.

Population-centric geopolitics is sooooo 1900

[Salus Maior]

...and now you know exactly how I feel when you equate my homeland with Nazi Germany.

That source is shite, just like the ones you posted. A pestilential rabbithole of nationalist fervor and idiotic baseless accusation. We have those too, as ashamed as I am of them. It's an erdoganite website filled with ethnonationalist bullshit, the only difference to yours is the country in question. So...can we be civil now?

Idiotic and baseless accusations...

Your country murdered millions of my race...raped THOUSANDS of women and children (then subsequently murdered them)...and then proceeded to cover it up. MY argument's baseless?

So, all these people are liars?

You know he's going to say it's just propaganda. I don't think it's productive to keep talking to him.

[Heloin]

...and now you know exactly how I feel when you equate my homeland with Nazi Germany.

That source is shite, just like the ones you posted. A pestilential rabbithole of nationalist fervor and idiotic baseless accusation. We have those too, as ashamed as I am of them. It's an erdoganite website filled with ethnonationalist bullshit, the only difference to yours is the country in question. So...can we be civil now?

There is zero proof that Armenians committed any genocide against Turks, let alone half a million Turks.

And yes, insofar as your country committed an organized genocide against a number of ethnic minorities your country is equitable to Nazi Germany. That's just the reality of it, and you denying it does you and your nation no credit. At least Germans acknowledge their past.

I think I’ve mentioned this before but there’s a photo of me somewhere doing a slav squat at the memorial for the fictional genocide in Iğdır that Turkey put up to insult Armenians.

[Frisemark]

Hey guys, know I'm not involved in this but. Calm down.

I know this is a very serious topic, and will evoke great emotion, but if you want to keep discussing the topic at hand and don't want your thread locked abandon the flame war and get back on track.

Just an idea.

Sorry if this oversteps on anything, but like, come on man.

[Heloin]

Hey guys, know I'm not involved in this but. Calm down.

I know this is a very serious topic, and will evoke great emotion, but if you want to keep discussing the topic at hand and don't want your thread locked abandon the flame war and get back on track.

Just an idea.

Sorry if this oversteps on anything, but like, come on man.

Do you have a real point to make or do you just want to act like you’re superior to other people. Because if it’s the latter then is genocide really the issue you want to “both sides”.

[Rio Cana]

At least the Armenians have one thing going for them. They have there own republic which everyone recognizes. It seems Armenias biggest problem is its small population. They need to increase it somehow.

Population-centric geopolitics is sooooo 1900

Not really. Armenias population is 2.7 million. But they say around one million tend to live part if not most of the year working in other nations. So we have 1.7 million people surrounded by Azerbaijan with 10.3 million and Turkey with 85.3 million people. Both Azeri and Turkish populations continue climbing while Armenian population has declined.

[The House of Hamid]

...and now you know exactly how I feel when you equate my homeland with Nazi Germany.

That source is shite, just like the ones you posted. A pestilential rabbithole of nationalist fervor and idiotic baseless accusation. We have those too, as ashamed as I am of them. It's an erdoganite website filled with ethnonationalist bullshit, the only difference to yours is the country in question. So...can we be civil now?

There is zero proof that Armenians committed any genocide against Turks, let alone half a million Turks.

And yes, insofar as your country committed an organized genocide against a number of ethnic minorities your country is equitable to Nazi Germany. That's just the reality of it, and you denying it does you and your nation no credit. At least Germans acknowledge their past.

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Ottoman Empire, in turn, is as guilty as the British Empire.

Mets hayk calls Atatürk the Scum of the earth... and me a genocide-apologist for being a Kemalist and loving my homeland. If I am that - every englishman is responsible for the Bengal famine and every american for the Indian Wars. But: the Armenians enacted a campaign of terrorism for their independenfce from the Ottoman Empire. He insults Atatürk with the vilest of names, the equivalent of calling your George Washington a Whoreson! He pisses on the greatest Hero of our nation! I have tried my best to be reasonable here, to respond to fact instead of ideology. I am a patriot, surely you can understand that. He hates every turk, insinuates guilt over a whole people and nation. We all should bow down to the Oh-so-great Ermenistani, discard our allies like Azerbaycan and support them.

Well excuse me, but I take exception to that! Every time his nation has lost a war they started the accusations start dropping and falling, the azeri tried to genocide his people after it, the Army of the Republic of Turkey did, the Ottomans did... this is bullshit! They tried to gain independence from the Ottoman empire with terrorism and murder since the 1890s, and the Ottoman Emprie did what the British Empire did in Ireland. They allied themselves with the enemy in WW1, supporting Imperiasl Russia. With the Soviets in the 1920s. They invaded our homeland in 1920, and he accuses the defenders of yet another "Genocide". The Azeri likewise: the Armeniajns occupied part of Azerbaycan, a part that held a significant Ermeni minority, supporting its supposed independence, just like the serbs did in Bosnia and the russiand most recently did in Luhansk and Donetsk! And every time they loose the accusations start flying, just like the lies of 1915. Hurr durr, genocide! Every time THEY start the conflict and lose it it suddenly is genocide, and speaking against the lies is taboo that labels you as a virtual nazi!

[Red Lake Circle]

Hey guys, know I'm not involved in this but. Calm down.

I know this is a very serious topic, and will evoke great emotion, but if you want to keep discussing the topic at hand and don't want your thread locked abandon the flame war and get back on track.

Just an idea.

Sorry if this oversteps on anything, but like, come on man.

Do you have a real point to make or do you just want to act like you’re superior to other people. Because if it’s the latter then is genocide really the issue you want to “both sides”.

I didn't read that as "both-sidesing" the issue so much as just a desperate attempt to keep the thread from getting locked lol

Also, to be clear, Artsakh should be recognized and Azerbaijan needs to clear back to its own turf.

[Mets Hayk]

There is zero proof that Armenians committed any genocide against Turks, let alone half a million Turks.

And yes, insofar as your country committed an organized genocide against a number of ethnic minorities your country is equitable to Nazi Germany. That's just the reality of it, and you denying it does you and your nation no credit. At least Germans acknowledge their past.

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Ottoman Empire, in turn, is as guilty as the British Empire.

Mets hayk calls Atatürk the Scum of the earth... and me a genocide-apologist for being a Kemalist and loving my homeland. If I am that - every englishman is responsible for the Bengal famine and every american for the Indian Wars. But: the Armenians enacted a campaign of terrorism for their independenfce from the Ottoman Empire. He insults Atatürk with the vilest of names, the equivalent of calling your George Washington a Whoreson! He pisses on the greatest Hero of our nation! I have tried my best to be reasonable here, to respond to fact instead of ideology. I am a patriot, surely you can understand that. He hates every turk, insinuates guilt over a whole people and nation. We all should bow down to the Oh-so-great Ermenistani, discard our allies like Azerbaycan and support them.

Well excuse me, but I take exception to that! Every time his nation has lost a war they started the accusations start dropping and falling, the azeri tried to genocide his people after it, the Army of the Republic of Turkey did, the Ottomans did... this is bullshit! They tried to gain independence from the Ottoman empire with terrorism and murder since the 1890s, and the Ottoman Emprie did what the British Empire did in Ireland. They allied themselves with the enemy in WW1, supporting Imperiasl Russia. With the Soviets in the 1920s. They invaded our homeland in 1920, and he accuses the defenders of yet another "Genocide". The Azeri likewise: the Armeniajns occupied part of Azerbaycan, a part that held a significant Ermeni minority, supporting its supposed independence, just like the serbs did in Bosnia and the russiand most recently did in Luhansk and Donetsk! And every time they loose the accusations start flying, just like the lies of 1915. Hurr durr, genocide! Every time THEY start the conflict and lose it it suddenly is genocide, and speaking against the lies is taboo that labels you as a virtual nazi!

This...is borderline slander.

[The House of Hamid]

This...is borderline slander.

Like calling Turkey the equivalent of Nazi Germany and me a genocide apologist?

[Salus Maior]

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Federal Republic of Germany accepts that their nation, the German nation, committed the crimes that happened in WW2. As far as that's concerned they're a far more dignified, mature, and have shown more integrity than your nation has been with their past.

[Red Lake Circle]

There is zero proof that Armenians committed any genocide against Turks, let alone half a million Turks.

And yes, insofar as your country committed an organized genocide against a number of ethnic minorities your country is equitable to Nazi Germany. That's just the reality of it, and you denying it does you and your nation no credit. At least Germans acknowledge their past.

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Ottoman Empire, in turn, is as guilty as the British Empire.

Mets hayk calls Atatürk the Scum of the earth... and me a genocide-apologist for being a Kemalist and loving my homeland. If I am that - every englishman is responsible for the Bengal famine and every american for the Indian Wars. But: the Armenians enacted a campaign of terrorism for their independenfce from the Ottoman Empire. He insults Atatürk with the vilest of names, the equivalent of calling your George Washington a Whoreson! He pisses on the greatest Hero of our nation! I have tried my best to be reasonable here, to respond to fact instead of ideology. I am a patriot, surely you can understand that. He hates every turk, insinuates guilt over a whole people and nation. We all should bow down to the Oh-so-great Ermenistani, discard our allies like Azerbaycan and support them.

Well excuse me, but I take exception to that! Every time his nation has lost a war they started the accusations start dropping and falling, the azeri tried to genocide his people after it, the Army of the Republic of Turkey did, the Ottomans did... this is bullshit! They tried to gain independence from the Ottoman empire with terrorism and murder since the 1890s, and the Ottoman Emprie did what the British Empire did in Ireland. They allied themselves with the enemy in WW1, supporting Imperiasl Russia. With the Soviets in the 1920s. They invaded our homeland in 1920, and he accuses the defenders of yet another "Genocide". The Azeri likewise: the Armeniajns occupied part of Azerbaycan, a part that held a significant Ermeni minority, supporting its supposed independence, just like the serbs did in Bosnia and the russiand most recently did in Luhansk and Donetsk! And every time they loose the accusations start flying, just like the lies of 1915. Hurr durr, genocide! Every time THEY start the conflict and lose it it suddenly is genocide, and speaking against the lies is taboo that labels you as a virtual nazi!

Speaking like the Irish were not absolutely justified in fighting back against their occupiers, especially after a good fifth of them were starved to death by British malfeasance.

[Mets Hayk]

This...is borderline slander.

Like calling Turkey the equivalent of Nazi Germany and me a genocide apologist?

When you deny the existence of the Armenian genocide, and when you openly advocate for anti-Armenian sentiment...no, not really.

Azerbaijan holds no legitimacy over Artsakh, as suggested by the Artsakh movement and the formation of an independent state. This is something you've continuously ignored.

[The House of Hamid]

In turn the modern Republic of Turkey is no more guilty of any crime than the Federal Republic of Germany.

The Federal Republic of Germany accepts that their nation, the German nation, committed the crimes that happened in WW2. As far as that's concerned they're a far more dignified, mature, and have shown more integrity than your nation has been with their past.

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction, invented to discredit the Republic of Turkey. Just ask Israel about that.

Like calling Turkey the equivalent of Nazi Germany and me a genocide apologist?

When you deny the existence of the Armenian genocide, and when you openly advocate for anti-Armenian sentiment...no, not really. Azerbaijan holds no legitimacy over Artsakh, as suggested by the Artsakh movement and the formation of an independent state. End. of. discussion.

I deny what is a lie, I refuse to give credit to this nonsense! Where have I argued for any hatred against your people? I do not blame modern armenia for the terrorism of the 1910s and '20s, or the murder of former ottoman statesmen in the 1930s.You however go on and on with that unfounded accusation, trying to paint the Republic of Turkey as some sort of villainous dark empire.

[Mets Hayk]

The Federal Republic of Germany accepts that their nation, the German nation, committed the crimes that happened in WW2. As far as that's concerned they're a far more dignified, mature, and have shown more integrity than your nation has been with their past.

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction. Just ask Israel about that.

This is the last time I'm going to ask...after this, I'm done:

HOW, dear Hamidiye, is the Armenian genocide a work of "vile fiction"?

[Red Lake Circle]

The Federal Republic of Germany accepts that their nation, the German nation, committed the crimes that happened in WW2. As far as that's concerned they're a far more dignified, mature, and have shown more integrity than your nation has been with their past.

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction. Just ask Israel about that.

...what, you mean the state that is also committing a genocide?

[The House of Hamid]

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction. Just ask Israel about that.

This is the last time I'm going to ask...after this, I'm done:

HOW, dear Hamidiye, is the Armenian genocide a work of "vile fiction"?

Well, simply put, it does not exist, other than in accusation. We done yet?

[Salus Maior]

This is the last time I'm going to ask...after this, I'm done:

HOW, dear Hamidiye, is the Armenian genocide a work of "vile fiction"?

Well, simply put, it does not exist, other than in accusation. We done yet?

Witness accounts from the survivors and observers (including the German allies of the Turks, in the form of German officers assisting the Ottoman army) indicate otherwise.

[Utquiagvik]

The Federal Republic of Germany accepts that their nation, the German nation, committed the crimes that happened in WW2. As far as that's concerned they're a far more dignified, mature, and have shown more integrity than your nation has been with their past.

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction. Just ask Israel about that.

Congratulations, you’ve fallen to your own governments lies. My fathers side of the family (originated in Armenia and Turkey) pretty much completely abandoned Armenia and came to the U.S right after the Armenian genocide happened. This wasn’t just because they wanted to move, this is because a real genocide happened, where Turkey (then the Ottoman Empire) killed over A MILLION Armenians. Search online for a while and you will find that the Armenian genocide did indeed happen.

[Mets Hayk]

I have a feeling that Hamidiye's denialism condemned this thread to an inevitable locking...

[Heloin]

This...is borderline slander.

Like calling Turkey the equivalent of Nazi Germany and me a genocide apologist?

A truthful statement can’t be considered slander. The actions of the Ottoman Empire are directly comparable to the actions of Nazi Germany.

[The House of Hamid]

The difference being that the Nazi death camps are beyond doubt and reason, whereas the supposed armenian genocide is a vile fiction. Just ask Israel about that.

Congratulations, you’ve fallen to your own governments lies. My fathers side of the family (originated in Armenia and Turkey) pretty much completely abandoned Armenia and came to the U.S right after the Armenian genocide happened. This wasn’t just because they wanted to move, this is because a real genocide happened, where Turkey (then the Ottoman Empire) killed over A MILLION Armenians. Search online for a while and you will find that the Armenian genocide did indeed happen.

The allied blockade of Germany in WWI killed over 2 million Germans and Austro-Hungarians... and it was a legitimate wartime measure, just like the deportations of the Ermeni. The Dresden firebombing in WWII killed more people than the entire war between Azerbaycan and Armenia, in both conflicts over Nagorno-Karabakh.

[Salus Maior]

Congratulations, you’ve fallen to your own governments lies. My fathers side of the family (originated in Armenia and Turkey) pretty much completely abandoned Armenia and came to the U.S right after the Armenian genocide happened. This wasn’t just because they wanted to move, this is because a real genocide happened, where Turkey (then the Ottoman Empire) killed over A MILLION Armenians. Search online for a while and you will find that the Armenian genocide did indeed happen.

The allied blockade of Germany in WWI killed over 2 million Germans and Austro-Hungarians... and it was a legitimate wartime measure, just like the deportations of the Ermeni. The Dresden firebombing in WWII killed more people than the entire war between Azerbaycan and Armenia, in both conflicts over Nagorno-Karabakh.

So now you're admitting there was an extermination of Armenians.

[The House of Hamid]

The allied blockade of Germany in WWI killed over 2 million Germans and Austro-Hungarians... and it was a legitimate wartime measure, just like the deportations of the Ermeni. The Dresden firebombing in WWII killed more people than the entire war between Azerbaycan and Armenia, in both conflicts over Nagorno-Karabakh.

So now you're admitting there was an extermination of Armenians.

No, what gave you that idea?!

[Salus Maior]

So now you're admitting there was an extermination of Armenians.

No, what gave you that idea?!

You're comparing the deportations of Armenians with measures that killed millions of people.