Embassy of Lazarus + News

[Quebecshire]

Now see, the problem with your question is that it's asking an impossibility - the situation was that primarily Rax was working with a few folks interested in infiltration/intel work, with a range of a half dozen or dozen potential regions of interest (mainly that had already begun acting against us, which includes Balder, who'd been libbing for a bit already),

So you were aware that Balder was on a list of potential subversion targets for The Brotherhood of Malice, presumably before Operation Ragnarok even began in its more meaningful form? Interesting. I do wonder what other regions are on that list, if attending liberations here and there makes you a target of direct BoM hostility. Balder isn't exactly the only GCR in that category, and probably not even the most prominent.

and a scope along the lines of "this is just seeding some things, doing some intel gathering, fact finding, see where it goes - nothing may come of any of this, it might not go anywhere, that's how it works."

Roavin already addressed this particular line of downplaying sufficiently, I think. Logs indicate a bit of a contradiction here!

very specific coup plot against Balder that simply did not exist

So, simply put - I can't know about something you made up.

Something Koth has publicly admitted to? He was even kind enough to admit that BoM actively went to the extent of at least placing sleepers in Balder. You might want to re-read and review the article thread. Considering Koth has indicated something similar would be "actually" done in the future, combined with your added information of an intel/subversion target list, this is probably not the best look.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Now see, the problem with your question is that it's asking an impossibility - the situation was that primarily Rax was working with a few folks interested in infiltration/intel work, with a range of a half dozen or dozen potential regions of interest (mainly that had already begun acting against us, which includes Balder, who'd been libbing for a bit already),

So you were aware that Balder was on a list of potential subversion targets for The Brotherhood of Malice, presumably before Operation Ragnarok even began in its more meaningful form? Interesting. I do wonder what other regions are on that list, if attending liberations here and there makes you a target of direct BoM hostility. Balder isn't exactly the only GCR in that category, and probably not even the most prominent.

and a scope along the lines of "this is just seeding some things, doing some intel gathering, fact finding, see where it goes - nothing may come of any of this, it might not go anywhere, that's how it works."

Roavin already addressed this particular line of downplaying sufficiently, I think. Logs indicate a bit of a contradiction here!

very specific coup plot against Balder that simply did not exist

So, simply put - I can't know about something you made up.

Something Koth has publicly admitted to? He was even kind enough to admit that BoM actively went to the extent of at least placing sleepers in Balder. You might want to re-read and review the article thread. Considering Koth has indicated something similar would be "actually" done in the future, combined with your added information of an intel/subversion target list, this is probably not the best look.

An initiative to put sleepers in the region and see where it went, with no plan. If you have any logs, you'll know that, and that we warned against the agents getting too big headed and assuming they'll actually get anywhere.

I'm not sure what you're linking that's in disagreement with what I stated?

Also, any time someone is quoting 1 single word only out of a message, they're probably spinning some bullshit, just like, on principle.

[Quebecshire]

I'm not sure what you're linking that's in disagreement with what I stated?

Also, any time someone is quoting 1 single word only out of a message, they're probably spinning some bullshit, just like, on principle.

As for the latter sentence, weren't you the one complaining about "fallacies" a bit ago? But I digress, would you like to provide the list of targets? I've love to hear it. I think a lot of people would, actually, since you provided us that added information!

[The Church of Satan]

If you're so concerned about the morality of Malice's Intel operations, perhaps you should look into the intelligence work of some of the regions that cut ties with Osiris. Show me a GP region innocent of performing some unsavory information gathering, and you'll see a miracle. I'll save you the time: no GP region is innocent. It's why I've been opposed to Intel work from the very beginning. I learned a long time ago that my most distinguished colleagues and allies are unapologetic hypocrites and they don't even have the decency to admit it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I'm not sure what you're linking that's in disagreement with what I stated?

Also, any time someone is quoting 1 single word only out of a message, they're probably spinning some bullshit, just like, on principle.

As for the latter sentence, weren't you the one complaining about "fallacies" a bit ago? But I digress, would you like to provide the list of targets? I've love to hear it. I think a lot of people would, actually, since you provided us that added information!

I'm not sure that "Wow, Malice may, possibly, keep an eye on, or even consider acting against, regions that have told them to fuck off diplomatically, who actively stand in opposition to them in gameplay and will never assist them, who've declared them enemies, yada yada etc etc" is quite the front page news you'd like to make it out to be. What do you think Malice is? Sneaky assassin-themed raiders is right there on the front page, next to the sign that says "raider unity, sign a treaty, maintain a founder" ... aka work with Malice, maintain diplomacy with Malice, render yourself immune to Malice - or else run the risk of being subject to Malice. It's a pretty simple mantra! One that's been driven home quite a bit, yknow, when Malice has notably raided regions associated with even those who thought themselves untouchable on principle no matter how they acted!

As an addendum, apologies to Lazarus, this is getting off track for your embassy, particularly as I'm not aware of any specific animosity between Malice and Lazarus at this time. =P

[Quebecshire]

Thanks for doubling down. I suppose we’ll be left to wonder who was on the list, plenty of GCRs and larger UCRs alike do qualify, if not exceed the standard that got Balder on. Maybe we’ll only find out next time a Malice plot gets leaked.

Thanks for the added stuff though, Souls, I appreciated it!

[Custadia]

Show me a GP region innocent of performing some unsavory information gathering, and you'll see a miracle.

Take a good look around; you're in the embassy of a miracle.

[The Church of Satan]

Show me a GP region innocent of performing some unsavory information gathering, and you'll see a miracle.

Take a good look around; you're in the embassy of a miracle.

The current government, sure. How could it? It's too busy fighting amongst itself to do such a thing. But to say Lazarus never did would be a lie.

[Custadia]

The current government, sure. How could it? It's too busy fighting amongst itself to do such a thing

It seems quite united in purpose to me. We're just too nice.

[Killer Kitty]

The current government, sure. How could it? It's too busy fighting amongst itself to do such a thing. But to say Lazarus never did would be a lie.

Lazarus has never had an intelligence service in its entire history. It didn't even have one when it was being puppeted by the NPO, although that's probably because the NPO just used their own intel people instead. Didn't have one under the Dominion or the Khanate either, as we were too busy fighting The South Pacific and their proxies and couldn't afford to give up manpower for active spying.

This has, of course, cause several problems throughout Lazarus history, mostly related to getting couped by everyone and their brother.

[The Church of Satan]

The current government, sure. How could it? It's too busy fighting amongst itself to do such a thing. But to say Lazarus never did would be a lie.

Lazarus has never had an intelligence service in its entire history. It didn't even have one when it was being puppeted by the NPO, although that's probably because the NPO just used their own intel people instead. Didn't have one under the Dominion or the Khanate either, as we were too busy fighting The South Pacific and their proxies and couldn't afford to give up manpower for active spying.

This has, of course, cause several problems throughout Lazarus history, mostly related to getting couped by everyone and their brother.

Few regions and organizations have been so audacious as to make their intelligence agencies existence publicly known. "Agencies" might be too formal a word. It's more accurate to say they are tight knit groups of like-minded individuals that trust each other enough to base their careers in doublespeak, contradiction, and hypocrisy. I'm surprised TWP gave access to any delegate that they might have, frankly. It works for them, I guess, but I'm still surprised.

[Frattastan IV]

This has, of course, cause several problems throughout Lazarus history, mostly related to getting couped by everyone and their brother.

<either something witty or a clown emoji>

[Unibot III]

This has, of course, cause several problems throughout Lazarus history, mostly related to getting couped by everyone and their brother.

<either something witty or a clown emoji>

I didn’t know Evil Wolf had a brother!

[Evil Wolf]

<either something witty or a clown emoji>

I didn’t know Evil Wolf had a brother!

Who better to identify clowns than two expert clowns?

In any case, Lazarus has historically been couped by Defenders, such as the ones above. Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it. And on the even more undisputed side, the PRL purge and coup was an NPO movement that was 100% supported by defenders, mainly the FRA, which PRL later joined.

[New Rogernomics]

The closest Lazarus had is counter-intelligence by nations in the region against threats within the region. Though there was never a specific operation or an intelligence agency for that, just individual nations by their own initiative. Can't say the same for other regions of course.

As an addendum, apologies to Lazarus, this is getting off track for your embassy, particularly as I'm not aware of any specific animosity between Malice and Lazarus at this time. =P

Lazarus didn't associate BoM and Osiris as the same thing in its statement, it just doesn't want to be associated with BoM by having a treaty with one of its allies. BoM hasn't signaled it intends to raid/invade us, so that neutrality stands.

We haven't formed an R/D miltary since the Con Con, let alone an anti-raider one, even if certain regions or orgs may have not liked the statement/cuting ties. The one clear stance is that we are anti-fascist, though that's something shared by raiders and defenders.

[Unibot III]

I didn’t know Evil Wolf had a brother!

Who better to identify clowns than two expert clowns?

In any case, Lazarus has historically been couped by Defenders, such as the ones above. Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it. And on the even more undisputed side, the PRL purge and coup was an NPO movement that was 100% supported by defenders, mainly the FRA, which PRL later joined.

Under your definition of a “coup,” no GCR would have the constitutional means to eject disruptive entryists from their region ever again.

Which I would imagine, given your history in TSP and Lazarus, would suit you just fine.

[Ikania]

I didn’t know Evil Wolf had a brother!

Who better to identify clowns than two expert clowns?

In any case, Lazarus has historically been couped by Defenders, such as the ones above. Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it. And on the even more undisputed side, the PRL purge and coup was an NPO movement that was 100% supported by defenders, mainly the FRA, which PRL later joined.

Wolf, we are so far removed from the events of 2017, and most of us have completely moved on. That includes me, who, in hindsight, would probably have preferred the Dominion/Khanate in the long term than the husk that was the CU. I regret my involvement in those events from day one. But all that being said, why do you continue to insist that there genuinely was a Defender plot to coup Lazarus? It is transparently obvious that the ill-fated Resistance was organized against clear votestacking on your and Funkadelia's part. All we were trying to do was preserve the government we had in place. That's why we insisted on using strictly legal mechanisms for motions of confidence and constitutional reform, it's why we went to such great lengths to keep the archaic, inefficient CU system in place in the buildup to the main event. The whole fiasco was an embarrassment, but let's not pretend it was part of a wider plot to coup the region. That honour went to you. You did it for fun, to spice up the region, to breathe new life into Lazarus. At this point I would rather you had won outright, instead of the protracted struggle that ensued, but why continue to parrot this obvious lie?

Edit as a matter of clarification: I have no grudge against Imki or the system of governance she established in Lazarus. Whatever misgivings I have over the LazCorp theme, she and Treadwellia have presided over a stable and secure government in Lazarus, the first it's had in many years. I only regret that it took so much fighting, purging and re-purging to get there.

[Devious]

Who better to identify clowns than two expert clowns?

In any case, Lazarus has historically been couped by Defenders, such as the ones above. Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it. And on the even more undisputed side, the PRL purge and coup was an NPO movement that was 100% supported by defenders, mainly the FRA, which PRL later joined.

Wolf, we are so far removed from the events of 2017, and most of us have completely moved on. That includes me, who, in hindsight, would probably have preferred the Dominion/Khanate in the long term than the husk that was the CU. I regret my involvement in those events from day one. But all that being said, why do you continue to insist that there genuinely was a Defender plot to coup Lazarus? It is transparently obvious that the ill-fated Resistance was organized against clear votestacking on your and Funkadelia's part. All we were trying to do was preserve the government we had in place. That's why we insisted on using strictly legal mechanisms for motions of confidence and constitutional reform, it's why we went to such great lengths to keep the archaic, inefficient CU system in place in the buildup to the main event. The whole fiasco was an embarrassment, but let's not pretend it was part of a wider plot to coup the region. That honour went to you. You did it for fun, to spice up the region, to breathe new life into Lazarus. At this point I would rather you had won outright, instead of the protracted struggle that ensued, but why continue to parrot this obvious lie?

Edit as a matter of clarification: I have no grudge against Imki or the system of governance she established in Lazarus. Whatever misgivings I have over the LazCorp theme, she and Treadwellia have presided over a stable and secure government in Lazarus, the first it's had in many years. I only regret that it took so much fighting, purging and re-purging to get there.

wasn't at least nakari caught trying to stir up dissent under a false name? i'm fairly confident a couple other external fendas were involved too, but that's the one that springs to mind

[Roavin]

Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it.

lol my guy we literally have the receipts that the Dominion was a Rahl-backed soft coup. Give up already

[New Rogernomics]

Even the Dominion was an attempt to stop a defender supported coup, which TSP and other defenders can't really deny, because they literally supported it.

lol my guy we literally have the receipts that the Dominion was a Rahl-backed soft coup. Give up already

I think I regret Amerion and I not running for Delegate together as we probably could have won as a tag team, and would have had a much better chance at preventing the civil war.

From what I saw before I left, Funkadelia and Lamb basically triggered the people who would establish "the revolt", and didn't know how to de-escalate a situation.

At the very least we wouldn't have purged the region to the extent the Dominion did, and allowed the region to recover with most of its citizenship numbers intact. Though that's the past now.

[Evil Wolf]

lol my guy we literally have the receipts that the Dominion was a Rahl-backed soft coup. Give up already

Roavin, you yourself were writing articles as CO stirring up rebellion in Lazarus and encoraging the overthrow of the legally elected Delegate, which even TSP recognized as legal at the time. You were Prime Minister of The South Pacific at the time.

You personally participated in pre-Civil War chats with what would become The Revolt, you were mentioned by NPO in their leaked logs as a "very important asset" in Lazarus for their efforts in subverting the region, and you cited yourself (without disclosing that you were the writer of the articles encouraging revolt) in TSP inter-regional talks in order to point your region towards a war with Lazarus.

If anyone else was caught doing any combination of those things, they'd be PNG in any GCR. That's a coup attempt, my guy.

It was also a blatant treaty violation on TSP's behalf, but that's sort of a given at this point.

[Roavin]

Here we go again

you yourself were writing articles as CO stirring up rebellion in Lazarus

demonstrating the very real Rahl-backed voter importation*

and encoraging the overthrow of the legally elected Delegate

[citation needed]

which even TSP recognized as legal at the time. You were Prime Minister of The South Pacific at the time.

Am I not allowed to call for a legal recall?

You personally participated in pre-Civil War chats with what would become The Revolt

Yes, in which I told them that fighting a coup is hard as hell (I was right)

you were mentioned by NPO in their leaked logs as a "very important asset" in Lazarus for their efforts in subverting the region

You mean their well-intentioned but ill-advised efforts to counter the Rahl-backed soft coup?

and you cited yourself (without disclosing that you were the writer of the articles encouraging revolt) in TSP inter-regional talks in order to point your region towards a war with Lazarus.

Against the Rahl-backed soft coup*

[New Rogernomics]

"It's all Greek to me" - Treaty signing, theme changes and more in Lazarus!
Lazarus regional update
August 2022

Current Leadership

Hegemon (Delegate): Treadwellia
Herald (Vice Delegate): New Rogernomics
First Citizen (PM): Ellenburg
Epistates of the Ekklesia (Assembly Speaker): Debussy

First Citizen's Cabinet
- Strategos (Minister) of the Hoplitai (Regional Guards):
- Proedroi (Minister) of Internal Management: Ryccia, Frankender
- Proedroi (Minister) of Foreign Affairs: Suvmia, New Rogernomics

Epilektoi (Councillors of Lazarene Security): McChimp, Debussy and Leonism

Areios Pagos (Court of Lazarus): Chanku, Wang Yao, and Wymondham

Theme changes in Lazarus
By New Rogernomics

Lazarus has recently decided to adopt a new theme that is Greek styled, which means we have to break out the baklava and Ouzo to celebrate, though to some naturally that were not fans of our last theme, they might be celebrating more than most. Most of our offices of government have been renamed, the leader of our government is now the First Citizen. As for our Delegate, it is now the Hegemon. Whereas as Vice Delegate my title is now Herald, which kind of fits for me this month as I've been going places especially with my appointment as Deputy Minister, sorry Proedroi of Foreign Affairs. As you can tell, we are still getting used to this all, and it's all Greek to me at times. Our Assembly is now called the Ekklesia, with the rest of the themed titles referred to above. Lazarus might also be considering a new flag, but that's hush hush for now...news about that perhaps in the next update.

Treaty signings this month
By New Rogernomics

Balder and Lazarus are near the passage of the Treaty of Alfheim, an agreement between our two sinker regions advance the mutual interests and security of our sovereign regions. This treaty if passed marks the improvement of relations between Balder and Lazarus, and of a strong and lasting friendship between our two regions likely well into the future. This treaty has been passed in Lazarus, and awaits final approval in Balder, though if approved we can hope for promising future contacts and cultural exchanges between our two regions.

Activity improvements in Lazarus
By New Rogernomics

Lazarus for a while has been given the appearance of a sleepy sinker, both rightly and wrongly, as Lazarus has had a lot of twists in turns in rebuilding its identity post-civil war. So far the improvements have been mostly on our discord server, which features a new bot with a lot more features to compliment the ever loyal Penelope bot for which we have August to thank. It has a lot easier to understand flow and now features emotions, Pokemon, and music channels. Whereas on our forum efforts are underway to get it ready for a festival event sometime in the near future, with play-by-post RPs, Werewolf and other such things in store. Hopefully by the next regional update there will be more to share about this, and a festival announcement!

General Updates
By New Rogernomics

- The East Pacific and Lazarus are in the process of negotiating a treaty and putting it to their regions for debate.
- Chanku and Wang Yao have been appointed to the Areios Pagos (Court), congratulations, especially to the first timer on the court Wang Yao!
- Re-opening embassies with The Pacific is under consideration in the Ekklesia (Assembly).
- The Treaty of the Sun with Osiris has been repealed by the Ekklesia (Assembly).

This regional update was brought to you with all the best wishes of the region of Lazarus. Thank you for reading!

[Quebecshire]

Congrats to Lazarus on the treaties. I'm excited to see where the theme change goes, hopefully it gives you guys a good cultural footing.

[New Rogernomics]

Congrats to Lazarus on the treaties. I'm excited to see where the theme change goes, hopefully it gives you guys a good cultural footing.

Eventually yes, as we hope that Lazarus can finally get out of the activity slide, and become a more interesting place for nations to visit and a more inviting return destination. Maybe more nations will decide to stay too! Certainly, a festival within the next few weeks would be ideal, if we can get the work done.