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Postby Warden Quebecshire » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:36 am

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Today raiders decided to raid. As usual, we got all set up, ready to satisfy our needs for speed. Unfortunately, raiders have developed a new and innovative strategy to combat modern defender skill - being so unimpressive that we get bored of fighting them. Realizing this devastating blow, we quickly moved to adapt by changing our morning activities to detagging after a quick early defense against the darkspawn.

We had to show them how it's done, and successfully detagged 45 regions with our group of roughly the same size, compared to the roughly 6 hits raiders were able to claim despite not being contested for the majority of update. L + ratio, quite literally.


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Postby Thorn1000 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:50 am

I’ll make sure to randomly jump around or something next time we have a training run to keep your guys’ short attention span :^)
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Postby Reventus Koth » Wed Jul 20, 2022 10:51 am

This is a hilarious way of saying "we got ratio'd 6:1 on a training raid and decided to finally get around to our massive backlog of Lily detags instead".
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Postby Warden Quebecshire » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:21 am

Reventus Koth wrote:This is a hilarious way of saying "we got ratio'd 6:1 on a training raid and decided to finally get around to our massive backlog of Lily detags instead".

Considering we do 40-80 detags on basically every update without raiders for chill runs, plus Aegis' >300, I'd say we've been at it for awhile and aren't "finally" getting around to it.

We had the numbers to beat you, but decided a net gain of 40 overall prevented/undid tags was more productive than entertaining ya.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:09 pm

Warden Quebecshire wrote:
Reventus Koth wrote:This is a hilarious way of saying "we got ratio'd 6:1 on a training raid and decided to finally get around to our massive backlog of Lily detags instead".

Considering we do 40-80 detags on basically every update without raiders for chill runs, plus Aegis' >300, I'd say we've been at it for awhile and aren't "finally" getting around to it.

We had the numbers to beat you, but decided a net gain of 40 overall prevented/undid tags was more productive than entertaining ya.


The efficiency math checks out, but you should call yourselves Janitors, not Defenders, if that's the approach.
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Postby The Sygian » Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:26 pm

If you want to be really efficient, I suggest a small team running detags while the rest of y'all chase? That way you can be the cleanup crew while still, yanno, defending. Two birds, one stone update.
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Postby Emodea » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:41 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:This is a hilarious way of saying "we got ratio'd 6:1 on a training raid and decided to finally get around to our massive backlog of Lily detags instead".

7/20/2022, 10:09:25 PM GMT+6: Oaks 240's influence in The Andorican Union rose from "Zero" to "Hermit". - region update
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Slowest Moon Around 81 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union. - last defender move, note the other two 0s chases as well
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Ioke 54 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Quebecshire IV relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Oaks 240 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union. - first defender move
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Despian Proskenion relocated from Suspicious to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Orange Red Expanse No 1 relocated from Suspicious to The Andorican Union. - first raider move


Yawn. I would say you're really shit at "gotcha" attempts, but I think everyone here knows it.
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Postby Reventus Koth » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:20 pm

Emodea wrote:Yawn. I would say you're really shit at "gotcha" attempts, but I think everyone here knows it.

I'm not the one posting an "L + Ratio" themed report over one defence and, according to Quebec's figure, an apparently below average number of detags. There's no gotcha, it's just hilarious.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:26 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:
Emodea wrote:Yawn. I would say you're really shit at "gotcha" attempts, but I think everyone here knows it.

I'm not the one posting an "L + Ratio" themed report over one defence and, according to Quebec's figure, an apparently below average number of detags. There's no gotcha, it's just hilarious.

(Fun fact, 45>40)

Sorry, we lost a few sitting around for a bit waiting for your people to actually move.
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Postby Reventus Koth » Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:51 pm

Quebecshire wrote:(Fun fact, 45>40)

You provided a range of 40 to 80. The average of those would be 60, 45 would be below average.

Congrats, you made me spell out elementary math on the GP forum. Now we've both wasted our time.
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Postby Thorn1000 » Wed Jul 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Emodea wrote:
Reventus Koth wrote:This is a hilarious way of saying "we got ratio'd 6:1 on a training raid and decided to finally get around to our massive backlog of Lily detags instead".

7/20/2022, 10:09:25 PM GMT+6: Oaks 240's influence in The Andorican Union rose from "Zero" to "Hermit". - region update
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Slowest Moon Around 81 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union. - last defender move, note the other two 0s chases as well
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Ioke 54 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Quebecshire IV relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Oaks 240 relocated from Artificial Solar System to The Andorican Union. - first defender move
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Despian Proskenion relocated from Suspicious to The Andorican Union.
7/20/2022, 10:09:24 PM GMT+6: Orange Red Expanse No 1 relocated from Suspicious to The Andorican Union. - first raider move


Yawn. I would say you're really shit at "gotcha" attempts, but I think everyone here knows it.

In other groundbreaking news, here's a target or two before that with a defender miss
7/20/2022, 12:04:57 PM EDT: Oaks 240 relocated from Artificial Solar System to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:56 PM EDT: Forlarand relocated from Suspicious to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:56 PM EDT: Despian Quaeritis appointed Despian Quaeritis as Thorn1000 with authority over Appearance, Communications, Embassies, and Polls in Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:56 PM EDT: Quebecshire III relocated from Artificial Solar System to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:54 PM EDT: Frenchy 75 relocated from Artificial Solar System to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Zuliner Theana relocated from Suspicious to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Despian Quaeritis became WA Delegate of Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Bad's influence in Mtcat101 rose from "Zero" to "Shoeshiner".
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Despian Quaeritis's influence in Mtcat101 rose from "Zero" to "Page".
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Slowest Moon Around 80 relocated from Artificial Solar System to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Ioke 53's influence in Mtcat101 rose from "Zero" to "Shoeshiner".
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Bad relocated from Suspicious to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:53 PM EDT: Ioke 53 relocated from Artificial Solar System to Mtcat101.
7/20/2022, 12:04:52 PM EDT: Despian Quaeritis relocated from Suspicious to Mtcat101. First raider move

Of course cherry picking your single win on a training run would make you look good.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:06 pm

Reventus Koth wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:(Fun fact, 45>40)

You provided a range of 40 to 80. The average of those would be 60, 45 would be below average.

Congrats, you made me spell out elementary math on the GP forum. Now we've both wasted our time.

Have you considered that in a range of averages, the middle might not always be the perfect value to claim is "average" for a given context? Maybe we're getting a little complex here, but notably, minor update is in fact shorter than major update. Fascinating stuff.

Even if we did less than 40 (completely outside the range I provided), there would still be a sizeable range for us to have provided the site an overall decrease of tags for this update.
Thorn1000 wrote:Of course cherry picking your single win on a training run would make you look good.

I mean, I could just as easily point out that it was your single (I can bold too) win of properly contested jumps before we moved on to detagging. :P
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Postby Malicious NPU » Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:47 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Thorn1000 wrote:Of course cherry picking your single win on a training run would make you look good.

I mean, I could just as easily point out that it was your single (I can bold too) win of properly contested jumps before we moved on to detagging. :P

I'm not sure if "we contested exactly 2 hits when raider activity was clearly present" is the burn you're looking for, but you do you I guess... :p
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Postby Tim » Wed Jul 20, 2022 11:15 pm

I see the report did its job.

Thanks for the free bumps, BoM! If only you showed as much passion about preserving your FA as you do about having us live rent-free in your heads.
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I'll let you think anything that helps you sleep at night Tim :)
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Postby Chef Big Dog » Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:09 pm

Tim wrote:I see the report did its job.

Thanks for the free bumps, BoM! If only you showed as much passion about preserving your FA as you do about having us live rent-free in your heads.

So you didn't defend regions in order to own the raiders?
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Postby Libertanny » Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:42 pm

Seeing Osiris/BoM's GP cannon fodder desperately pretending to be making rational and convincing arguments here is probably the best indicator of TGW doing something decent. Congratz on the treaty to both sides!
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The Treaty of Par Vollen

Joint Statement


Europeia and The Order of the Grey Wardens are thrilled to announce the ratification of the Treaty of Par Vollen in a new era of cooperation between our two regions.

The Treaty of Par Vollen is an affirmation of friendship between us after forging a relationship anew over the last several months in joint military operations, the hosting of the Spring Beach Bash, movie nights, radio shows, and much more. Its commitments including mutual defense and plans for the Frontier / Stronghold update demonstrate our commitment to tackle emerging challenges and opportunities together.

The name Par Vollen itself originates from a tropical island chain found within Dragon Age lore covered in rainforests and home to an impressive ancient civilization that nods to the "archipelago paradise" in Europeia's theming. The name also implies the similarities one might find between two regions when least expected––an idea that has defined our new relationship and will pave our close cooperation in the future.

Signed,
Grea Kriopia (Grea Kriopia), First Warden of the Order of the Grey Wardens
Sir Merlin (Sir Merlin), High Constable of the Order of the Grey Wardens
Writinglegend (Writinglegend), President of Europeia
Sopo (Ambrella), Minister of Foreign Affairs of Europeia

The Treaty of Par Vollen


WHEREAS The Republic of Europeia (“Europeia”) and The Order of the Grey Wardens have endeavored to develop robust UCR communities rooted in sovereignty;

WHEREAS Europeia and The Order of the Grey Wardens have a foundation of friendship and military cooperation;

WHEREAS Europeia and The Order of the Grey Wardens wish to continue building the relationship we share;

NOW, THEREFORE, Europeia and The Order of the Grey Wardens agree to the following:

1. Sovereignty

(a) Europeia will recognize only the legitimate governance of The Order of the Grey Wardens, as determined by Warden-Commanders, as representative of the Region and People of The Order of the Grey Wardens or its protectorates.

(b) The Order of the Grey Wardens will recognize only the legitimate government of Europeia, as determined by Europeian law, as representative of the Region and People of Europeia or its protectorates.

(c) Neither Signatory may cede sovereign control of their region to another entity.

2. Military Undertakings

(a) Neither The Order of the Grey Wardens nor Europeia will engage in military hostilities against the other, or against one another's protectorates which have been established and communicated to the other signatory via clause 2f. Participation by The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia on opposite sides of a military engagement that does not constitute an attack on either region or a region's protectorate shall not be considered "military hostilities against the other" for this purpose.

(b) To the extent practicable, The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia shall provide the other defensive military assistance in case of an attack by an aggressor against their home regions or any protectorates duly declared per clause 2f. Under no circumstance will either Signatory give direct or indirect aid to the aggressor.

(c) The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia shall not cede sovereign control over their respective military forces to any supraregional alliance. Sovereign control is interpreted as being able to make the ultimate decision with regards to the region's military resources participating in a military operation. Both regions may continue to enter into bilateral and multilateral agreements for common defense.

(d) The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia shall aid each other in Delegacy transferrals when requested. This aid shall extend to each region’s protectorates when requested.

(e) The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia will collaborate militarily for the combined benefit of both regions when practical.

(f) A “protectorate” of either party shall be a region which exists under the sovereign protection or control of the party’s legitimate government. In order for a territory or home region to be afforded protections under this treaty, it must be listed:
The Order of the Grey Wardens, as the home region of The Order of the Grey Wardens.
Europeia, as the home region of the Republic of Europeia.
The Amaranthine Isles, as a territory of The Order of the Grey Wardens.
The Frontier, as a territory of The Order of the Grey Wardens.

3. World Assembly Matters

(a) Neither Signatory will write or vote for a Security Council Resolution naming the other Signatory, or an entity strongly associated with the other Signatory, without the express approval of the other Signatory. For this purpose, an entity shall be considered strongly associated with a Signatory if it is reasonably likely that the Resolution naming the entity will impact the reputation of the Signatory.

(b) Each Signatory will endeavor, where appropriate and possible, to collaborate with the other in World Assembly programs and activities, such as the discussion or drafting of proposals, educational initiatives, or other similar projects.

4. Diplomatic Undertakings

(a) Each Signatory shall establish and maintain in-game embassies (i.e., on the NationStates site) with one another.

(b) Each Signatory shall maintain off-site embassies with one another, consistent with facilities provided to other treatied allies.

5. Intelligence Undertakings

(a) Neither Signatory will engage in espionage against the other. For this purpose, "espionage" is the act of engaging a person to act under false pretenses in a Signatory region without the permission of that region's legitimate government.

(b) The Signatories each shall provide information to the other if such information is pertinent to the other region's security or well-being, or otherwise upon the other's reasonable request, unless the party in possession of such information reasonably believes that providing that information might violate applicable laws or contravene the terms of service for NationStates or a regional communications platform, or when revealing that information would unduly compromise that party's source(s) of information. Both signatories shall endeavor to reveal as much as possible in such situations, but not more than they can under laws, terms of service, or the need to protect sources. When applicable, Europeia shall provide information to the First Warden of The Grey Wardens, and The Order of the Grey Wardens shall provide information to the President of Europeia.

(c) Each Signatory will make it a violation of its internal laws to engage in espionage against the other if a similar or related law to the same effect does not already exist. To the extent permitted by each region's laws, this section shall be deemed self-executing.

6. Cultural Undertakings

(a) Each signatory will endeavor, where appropriate and possible, to engage in social and cultural activities with the other signatory. This can include, but is not limited to, festivals, competitions, and university sharing events. Invitations to such must be extended, where relevant, to either the President or First Minister, and/or a representative of Europeia or The Order of the Grey Wardens who is in charge of Foreign Affairs.

(b) As soon as is practical, following ratification, The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia will collaborate to stage a cultural festival to celebrate this treaty.

7. Recruitment Undertakings

(a) Neither The Order of the Grey Wardens nor Europeia will deliberately engage in recruitment from the other, nor from one another's protectorates in clause 2f. "Recruitment" is defined as the sending of telegrams on the NationStates site to encourage nations to move regions.

8. Civil Rights

(a) Each signatory affirms its belief in cultivating a community environment where freedom of thought and expression, including the freedom of faith and of conscience, freedom to profess a religious or philosophical creed, and the right to freely express and disseminate opinions in any manner or medium, are affirmed. Notwithstanding the foregoing, freedom of thought and expression shall not be construed as providing any protection for speech or conduct that a reasonable person would infer is intended to offend, threaten or insult an individual or group on the basis of that individual's or group's sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, race, color, language, religion, or national or social origin.

(b) Each signatory affirms its belief in cultivating a community where there is equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination on any ground including sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, race, color, language, religion, national or social origin, property, birth, status, or other immutable characteristics.

9. General Provisions

(a) This Treaty will come into force on the date of ratification by both Europeia and The Order of the Grey Wardens as dictated by their respective governing procedures.

(b) Either Signatory reserves the right to exit this Treaty. The exiting Signatory must make reasonable efforts to notify the other as soon as possible.

(c) This agreement may be amended by mutual agreement of both Signatories.

(d) Upon ratification, this treaty shall be the sole bilateral treaty between The Order of the Grey Wardens and Europeia, superseding any prior written documents describing a relationship between the regions.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:22 am

Libertanny wrote:Seeing Osiris/BoM's GP cannon fodder desperately pretending to be making rational and convincing arguments here is probably the best indicator of TGW doing something decent. Congratz on the treaty to both sides!


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Tim wrote:I see the report did its job.

Thanks for the free bumps, BoM! If only you showed as much passion about preserving your FA as you do about having us live rent-free in your heads.

So you didn't defend regions in order to own the raiders?

I work damn near 70 hours a week presently. I don’t update right now, I just live rent-free in your head.
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Postby The Tungsten Order » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:40 pm

Seems I forgot to log into my puppets...This time, I will not screw up.

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Postby Tungsten Guard 4 » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:45 pm

7/25/2022, 8:44:02 PM PDT: Orange Red Expanse No 1 relocated from The Andorican Union to The Rejected Realms.
7/25/2022, 8:44:02 PM PDT: Orange Red Expanse No 1 was ejected and banned from The Andorican Union by Tungsten Guard 4.
7/25/2022, 8:43:59 PM PDT: Minca 171 relocated from The Andorican Union to The Rejected Realms.
7/25/2022, 8:43:59 PM PDT: Minca 171 was ejected and banned from The Andorican Union by Tungsten Guard 4.
7/25/2022, 8:43:55 PM PDT: Bobberino32 relocated from The Andorican Union to The Rejected Realms.
7/25/2022, 8:43:55 PM PDT: Bobberino32 was ejected and banned from The Andorican Union by Tungsten Guard 4.
7/25/2022, 8:43:49 PM PDT: Greater Erwo Tzen relocated from The Andorican Union to The Rejected Realms.
7/25/2022, 8:43:49 PM PDT: Greater Erwo Tzen was ejected and banned from The Andorican Union by Tungsten Guard 4.
7/25/2022, 8:43:45 PM PDT: Tungsten Guard 4 dismissed Bobberino32 as bob of The Andorican Union.
7/25/2022, 8:43:40 PM PDT: Tungsten Guard 4 relocated from Osiris to The Andorican Union.
7/25/2022, 8:43:30 PM PDT: Tungsten Guard 4 was refounded in Osiris.

Wrecked.

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Postby Vavlar » Mon Jul 25, 2022 8:56 pm

And a happy raid to you, and a happy raid to you on your jumpoint, Tungsten Noob!

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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:23 pm

Idk what's going on with you guys' Tungsten stuff, but this is The Grey Wardens thread.

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Postby Vavlar » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:25 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:Idk what's going on with you guys' Tungsten stuff, but this is The Grey Wardens thread.

Well, their delegate wants revenge on me due to them being pinged on their main 7 times...
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