Gun Control 2022 (IV) - Gun Rights, Control, & Government

[The Emerald Legion]

Even Japan, where they've had bans on firearms for decades and have no gun culture has criminals obtaining them when they want.

Japan still has much better control over guns within their country than nations with laxer laws. The numbers don't lie that gun violence is practically unheard of in Japan. From the beginning, they outright didn't see gun ownership as a right, but just as priviledge for their most elite within social hierarchy or those on a strictly "need" basis like their police/military.

They've had the harshest gun control for centuries and not just decades being that Japan was the first to limit/get rid of guns. Japan's black market probably has a few guns, but there aren't many compared to other places if the supply simply isn't there. Japan's gun control even goes so far as to control the rounds of ammo that can be gotten and requires that it is all accounted for.

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile. Literal children could manufacture a working firearm.

[Germanic Templars]

Even Japan, where they've had bans on firearms for decades and have no gun culture has criminals obtaining them when they want.

Japan still has much better control over guns within their country than nations with laxer laws. The numbers don't lie that gun violence is practically unheard of in Japan. From the beginning, they outright didn't see gun ownership as a right, but just as a privilege for their most elite within social hierarchy or those on a strictly "need" basis like their police/military.

They've had the harshest gun control for centuries and not just decades being that Japan was the first to limit/get rid of guns. Japan's black market probably has a few guns, but there aren't many compared to other places if the supply simply isn't there. Japan's gun control even goes so far as to control the rounds of ammo that can be gotten and requires that it is all accounted for.

I mean, they also have a homogeneous society and have mental institutions too.

[Informed Consent]

I agree with what you are saying here, however to me you were being a bit too kind in your assessment, because what I really wanted to reply would have most likely got me the red text.
Most times I just say to myself, bless his lil heart.

Right, and ironically, being steeped in professional violence tends to make one more diplomatic than not, which serves me well in this particularly outlandish leftwing simulacrum.
I do not believe that NS moderators have ever seen the shade of blue that a frank conversation between the likes of you and I can produce.

[Prima Scriptura]

Japan still has much better control over guns within their country than nations with laxer laws. The numbers don't lie that gun violence is practically unheard of in Japan. From the beginning, they outright didn't see gun ownership as a right, but just as priviledge for their most elite within social hierarchy or those on a strictly "need" basis like their police/military.

They've had the harshest gun control for centuries and not just decades being that Japan was the first to limit/get rid of guns. Japan's black market probably has a few guns, but there aren't many compared to other places if the supply simply isn't there. Japan's gun control even goes so far as to control the rounds of ammo that can be gotten and requires that it is all accounted for.

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile.

Well, the motherfuckers gonna probably get the death penalty because they still have that in Japan. With the advent of 3-D printing, gun control laws are going to be moot. All gun control are gonna do is hurt lower income gun owners that can’t afford a 3-D printer

[The Emerald Legion]

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile.

Well, the motherfuckers gonna probably get the death penalty because they still have that in Japan. With the advent of 3-D printing, gun control laws I’m going to be moot. All gun control are gonna do is hurt lower income gun owners that can’t afford a 3-D printer

Yep. Hanging too IIRC.

[Prima Scriptura]

Well, the motherfuckers gonna probably get the death penalty because they still have that in Japan. With the advent of 3-D printing, gun control laws I’m going to be moot. All gun control are gonna do is hurt lower income gun owners that can’t afford a 3-D printer

Yep. Hanging too IIRC.

The dude had every right to be pissed off at the moonies for brainwashing his mother. Cults destroy families, and they do it deliberately. The dude just went off the deep in and went after a innocent person who happened to be one of the most popular prime ministers in Japan’s recent history

[Saiwania]

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile. Literal children could manufacture a working firearm.

It was a piece of crap that was far inferior to anything that could be bought from a store. Which is enough to conclude that their rules worked so far as presenting an obstacle to him. He had to jump through many more hoops to construct his crude weapon that most people in the US and elsewhere would be willing or able to navigate.

[The Emerald Legion]

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile. Literal children could manufacture a working firearm.

It was a piece of crap that was far inferior to anything that could be bought from a store. Which is enough to conclude that their rules worked so far as presenting an obstacle to him. He had to jump through many more hoops to construct his crude weapon that most people in the US and elsewhere would be willing or able to navigate.

And? What does that matter? The US isn't Japan, as mentioned prior, a gun ban Japanese style would just lead to widespread chaos. Not a repeat of what Japan is like. Furthermore, the point is that killers will get their guns regardless of the laws. Even in Japan.

[Grinning Dragon]

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile. Literal children could manufacture a working firearm.

It was a piece of crap that was far inferior to anything that could be bought from a store. Which is enough to conclude that their rules worked so far as presenting an obstacle to him. He had to jump through many more hoops to construct his crude weapon that most people in the US and elsewhere would be willing or able to navigate.

And yet that "piece of crap" got the job done. It don't have to be pretty, just reliable.
Down under, a teen was busted with a FGC-9

Police in the state of Western Australia has seized a fully functional 9mm semi-automatic carbine, made, apparently by an 18-year-old hobbyist, using a simple 3D printer, basic tools, and plans readily available online.

The Australian police have mistakenly called the firearm a “semi-automatic assault rifle,” although it fires the 9mm pistol cartridge. More accurately, it is a pistol-caliber carbine. The carbine uses 3D printed copies of the common Glock pistol magazines.

Testing of the FGC-9 is reported to show good accuracy, of 2.5 inches at 25 yards. One specimen, described as “not particularly well built” is said to have fired more than 2,000 rounds without catastrophic failure.

Complete tooling and materials to build an FGC-9 are quoted as costing less than $1,000. If a small production facility is put together, as reportedly occurred in Finland, costs can be reduced to about $200 per firearm.

FGC-9 3D-printed Hybrid 9mm Pistol in Australia: Can’t Stop the Signal
Im sure Japan isn't immune to 3d printed firearms

[Saiwania]

Im sure Japan isn't immune to 3d printed firearms

They probably will be immune, if they act to restrict 3D printing soon enough like they did on guns. They're not stupid or careless enough to allow such an oversight. Japanese are at the cutting edge of lots of technology and are often the first to release consumer products.

The 3D printers that can only produce flimsy plastic crap, Japan will allow for the masses, but the actual good printers there will probably be government/corporate use only, if its not a ton of licensing burdens applied to it.

[The Emerald Legion]

Im sure Japan isn't immune to 3d printed firearms

They probably will be immune, if they act to restrict 3D printing soon enough like they did on guns. They're not stupid or careless enough to allow such an oversight. Japanese are at the cutting edge of lots of technology and are often the first to release consumer products.

The 3D printers that can only produce flimsy plastic crap, Japan will allow for the masses, but the actual good printers there will probably be government/corporate use only, if its not a ton of licensing burdens applied to it.

I mean, frankly, Japan is going to have problems finding people of working age. let alone having the manpower to police them.

[Gun Manufacturers]

As these issues are being properly resolved state by state, as they should be, your already insensible statement is invalid squared.

No they aren't being resolved at the state level an extremist court just said that people have the right to carry in public. An extremist court is about to stike down mag limits, and assault weapons bans, an extremist court is going to look at striking down long application processes to own a gun.

If it was state by state, I would be fine with it but its not.

YAY!

[Thomasi]

No they aren't being resolved at the state level an extremist court just said that people have the right to carry in public. An extremist court is about to stike down mag limits, and assault weapons bans, an extremist court is going to look at striking down long application processes to own a gun.

If it was state by state, I would be fine with it but its not.

YAY!

States with loose gun laws have more violent crime per capita. This is only a yay for criminals.

[Informed Consent]

No they aren't being resolved at the state level an extremist court just said that people have the right to carry in public. An extremist court is about to stike down mag limits, and assault weapons bans, an extremist court is going to look at striking down long application processes to own a gun.
If it was state by state, I would be fine with it but its not.

The battle is two pronged, as it were.
These issues are being arbitrated locally, and a court that can only be viewed as extremist by your ilk because it has suspended its masquerade as a secondary legislative body, and is now simply pursuing due diligence within its own judiciary purview which happens to be national.
Not working in your favor, and not working are two distinct problems where the difference can be lost in an absence of objectivity.
Good luck with that.

[Australian rePublic]

Why do rich white progressives living in rich white neighborhoods want to disarm BIPOCs living in dangerous neighborhoods?

I don't live in the wealthiest area of Sydney. The area I live in is known for moderate crime rates by Australian standards. This is to the point where the police just don't do anything with regards to hooning, loud neighbourhood parties beyond legal hours or illegal fireworks on the footpath where kids can step on them. They just don't do anything. In the area where I live, we also have the ocassional shooting. I am actually really glad that we have strict gun laws here. Each individual shooting is actually rare enough to make the news, and each shooting is, for the most part, targeted. When you make it difficult for criminals to get guns, they're less likely to use them reclessly. I don't know where they get their illegal fireworks from, but thank God they're not guns. Also, with strict gun laws, a criminal is less likely to shoot randoms, because they don't fear that those randoms have guns and they're also less likely to turn those guns on bystanders, because they know that we don't have guns. The part of Sydney where I live would be one of the worst areas to walk down the street at night, but I know I can do so without getting shot. I wouldn't do it at 3 am, of coarse, but even if I did, there's an almost 0% chance of getting shot

[Gun Manufacturers]

YAY!

States with loose gun laws have more violent crime per capita. This is only a yay for criminals.

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

[Thomasi]

States with loose gun laws have more violent crime per capita. This is only a yay for criminals.

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

[Grinning Dragon]

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

Bullshit.
Search around and you will find news story after another of people using an AR or AK variant in self defense.
Also bullshit on states with loose firearm laws on having more violent crime, how does one account for Wyoming? Loose firearm laws and yet very low violent crime, however Wyoming does have a higher rate of suicide. New Hampshire has only a very small increase of deaths by firearm compared to New Jersey.
I'm pretty sure all of your so called studies you have held dear to your heart excluded Alaska, Idaho, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming due to having too few homicide rates and these states have permissive firearm laws.
The other issue with such studies is that they do not separate justified and unjustified deaths with the aid of a firearm.

[Thermodolia]

If the US is awash with guns, of course it won't mean less shootings. The supply has to be confiscated or taken out of circulation first.

That's literally impossible. Even Japan, where they've had bans on firearms for decades and have no gun culture has criminals obtaining them when they want.

With the US gun culture, what you'd see is Drug War 2.0 only now the 'cartels' are dealing guns and ammo and therefore *very* well armed.

No it wouldn’t be Drug war 2.0 it would be open civil war

[American Legionaries]

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

Calling me no one is rude as shit.

[Germanic Templars]

A dude just assassinated their former prime minister with a gun. Guns aren't hard to make. It's a bloody tube with an explosive and projectile. Literal children could manufacture a working firearm.

It was a piece of crap that was far inferior to anything that could be bought from a store. Which is enough to conclude that their rules worked so far as presenting an obstacle to him. He had to jump through many more hoops to construct his crude weapon that most people in the US and elsewhere would be willing or able to navigate.

You know, with a proper VPN he could easily download the free pdf to making a Luty SMG. $21 could also buy you a book on how to make Recoilless launchers too: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0578762862/?c ... _lig_dp_it

[The Two Jerseys]

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

*cough*

[Grinning Dragon]

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

*cough*

I'll pitch in.
clears throat, OOH lookie an AK one

[Gun Manufacturers]

No, it's not only a yay for criminals. And show the data that mag limit laws and AWB laws being repealed would affect violent crime rates.

No one is defending themselves with an AR or AK gun its literally just a gun people want to have to shoot a lot of rounds fast.

https://law.stanford.edu/2019/10/15/the ... ved-lives/

Standford study showed that it did have a positive affect.

There are plenty of stories online of people using an AR to defend themselves.

And you changed what you said. Previously, you were talking about violent crime per capita in states with loose gun control, but the link you provided only talked about mass shootings in general, with no specifics per state. Worse, the data was provided by Mother Jones News, who is a biased anti-gun source.

[Saiwania]

I'll pitch in.
clears throat, OOH lookie an AK one

Many would contend that he was not justified to shoot, unless he gave the criminals the opportunity to retreat once he had the upper hand again if they weren't armed as well. But its far more justified if they were in his house as opposed to outside his door. If you ask me, he's better off just saying the criminals wouldn't stop trying to close in on him and he retaliated. Stick to that narrative, don't stray from it- and they'll likely stay in the clear.

I only think it is a problem in that the bullets could easily overpenetrate into adjacent property if this is in a very urban setting, and that most lesser types of handguns or legal long arms could sufficiently perform the same task of killing 5 people. Seems relatively rare that 5 people would get together to agree on anything and not have a defection or split along the way.