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What is your position on State Referenda enshrining Abortion as a constitutional right?

All states should do it! If any states haven't, they damn well need to!
225
54%
The states should raise the standards for passage to 60% or higher, where applicable!
32
8%
The state governments should do all they can to block these referenda!
114
27%
I for one welcome sugary oblivion! Ia! Ia! Cthulhu is a part of my balanced breakfast!
46
11%
 
Total votes : 417

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Barlyy
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Postby Barlyy » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 am

Survivors of Yekaterinburg wrote:
Barlyy wrote:The very purpose of the law, justice, and the government is to uphold & protect the rights of individuals.


The purpose of the law is to reduce harm.
The purpose of justice is to appease jealous people.
Government has no legitimate purpose.

Yes -- that's the law upholding a person's right to not be harmed. Overturning Roe completely eliminates this.
Certainly not LOL
It does, but that's a topic for another thread. Not this one.
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Postby Libertyvilla » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:social darwinism? Wtf
This is scyual charles darwin evolution and natural selection


Natural and science are heartless
you should be too

No they aren't ya darn edgelord lmfao

yes they are.
since when did nature and science give a damn?
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:29 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:I’ve had this prepared since the draft opinion was released. So here is my six step plan for helping women in Post Roe America

I have a better plan.

1) Find an organisation in your area that's going to help women get access to abortions
2) Give them money.
3) Volunteer your time to them
4) As in, do whatever it is they tell you they need done
5) Not show up and waste their time with pie in the sky plans about self defence PE classes
6) And no one need to hear about how you voted for Trump
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:30 am

Valrifall wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Wait, source if it's alright?


Wdym "source"? These are all widely known things that the GOP are against.

I am.....afraid that I don't know much since I'm not an American :p

But thanks anyway.

Hispida wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:Wait, source if it's alright?

they're run by republicans

Umm, okay, thanks.

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Postby Valrifall » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:30 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Social darwinism is nazoid bollocks and anybody who professes belief in that shit courts literal hitlerites.

social darwinism? Wtf
This is scyual charles darwin evolution and natural selection

Samudera Darussalam wrote:That's heartless, you know that?
If that can be used to save life, why would people just let her die because "f*ck abortion"?

Natural and science are heartless
you should be too


I get this is like a bit but for the record as someone with a degree in physics (a science) who has worked in actual science your devotion to what you deem scientific and rational is annoying and more than a little repulsive.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:30 am

Libertyvilla wrote:
Untecna wrote:I'm going to address this comment in two parts.

  1. No, its not a sense of anger. Its rather a study of the ideas spread there and how they may correlate to you. Besides, I never spoke in definites, only on my own thoughts, and I expressed them as calmly as I could while also letting some steam out. Thats not to say I'm angry, I'm rather annoyed.
  2. You claim the same to almost everything here, so I've read. I ask, do you think before you type? None of what you are saying makes sense.

Yeah i do I think through science and reason and most importantly anti-religion

So are you religious or not? Do you support science or not? Do you use reason or not?

You are making yourself a hypocrite, or at least, it appears you are, since I can not understand your posts.
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Postby Sedgistan » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:31 am

Temporary lock, bear with me.

EDIT: Libertyvilla has earned a *** 1 day forumban for trolling throughout the thread ***

Thread open again.
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Postby Untecna » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:34 am

Wow, I actually expected a massive trawl, but okay then...
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:34 am

Well thats fucking shit and backwards but im really not surprised at this point.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:36 am

This is a terrible development for bodily autonomy across the board, including intactivism.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:38 am

Ifreann wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I’ve had this prepared since the draft opinion was released. So here is my six step plan for helping women in Post Roe America

I have a better plan.

1) Find an organisation in your area that's going to help women get access to abortions
2) Give them money.
3) Volunteer your time to them
4) As in, do whatever it is they tell you they need done
5) Not show up and waste their time with pie in the sky plans about self defence PE classes
6) And no one need to hear about how you voted for Trump


I guess that would work
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Il Borgia Vaticano
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Postby Il Borgia Vaticano » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:40 am

Abortion Rights are women's rights and thus worker's rights. A general strike needs to be undertaken for all the workers, by all the workers, for their human rights. An attack on women is one on all of the working class.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:40 am

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Libertyvilla wrote:condoms are just cents
contraceptives are cheap af
people choose this for themselves


Roe is gone and by God The United States must do what is possible to keep women safe.


That’s funny.

I wonder what Troupes the cons will pull out? I figure something about churches or pulling yourselves up by your bootstraps.
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Postby Prima Scriptura » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Prima Scriptura wrote:Praise God!


"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishement of religion..."


This ruling has nothing to do with religion. But I think it’s the moral decision. Unborn babies are no longer going to be slaughtered on mass
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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:41 am

Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:Abortion Rights are women's rights and thus worker's rights. A general strike needs to be undertaken for all the workers, by all the workers, for their human rights. An attack on women is one on all of the working class.

use your aggressive feelings. let class consciousness run through you!
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:41 am

Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:Abortion Rights are women's rights and thus worker's rights. A general strike needs to be undertaken for all the workers, by all the workers, for their human rights. An attack on women is one on all of the working class.

Don't you hate democracy?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:41 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Well thats fucking shit and backwards but im really not surprised at this point.


Hey man. They think the 50s was the golden age so they work towards that…..
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Postby Il Borgia Vaticano » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:42 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:Abortion Rights are women's rights and thus worker's rights. A general strike needs to be undertaken for all the workers, by all the workers, for their human rights. An attack on women is one on all of the working class.

Don't you hate democracy?


I do.

I'm also not ignorant of the fact that a stupid angry population has its uses.
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Immigrants to the papal empire must meet Church qualifications, per decision by labor board.-|-Following a mistake in paperwork, the 18+ rule for access to pornography has been abolished. Church plans to fix this eventually.-|-Fearing the withering of the dynasty due to many Borgia deaths in the last civil war, Pope Soter II has legalized 'ius primae noctis' for all members of the Borgia family.

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Postby HISPIDA » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:42 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishement of religion..."


This ruling has nothing to do with religion. But I think it’s the moral decision. Unborn babies are no longer going to be slaughtered on mass

yeah, instead* it's going to be women. funny how that works out.

*if instead can be used here because nobody was dying before this ruling except for rare abortion complications
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:43 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishement of religion..."


This ruling has nothing to do with religion. But I think it’s the moral decision. Unborn babies are no longer going to be slaughtered on mass

And the women?
"Thoughts and prayers"?
Lmao humanity doesn't want your "mercy".
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Postby Necroghastia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:43 am

Prima Scriptura wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishement of religion..."


This ruling has nothing to do with religion. But I think it’s the moral decision. Unborn babies are no longer going to be slaughtered on mass

He said, as though that was a thing that actually happened.
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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:44 am

Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Don't you hate democracy?


I do.

I'm also not ignorant of the fact that a stupid angry population has its uses.

So you don't care about the working class then
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Postby Il Borgia Vaticano » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:45 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:
I do.

I'm also not ignorant of the fact that a stupid angry population has its uses.

So you don't care about the working class then


Enough to not see their human rights stripped from them. Move on, honey.
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Immigrants to the papal empire must meet Church qualifications, per decision by labor board.-|-Following a mistake in paperwork, the 18+ rule for access to pornography has been abolished. Church plans to fix this eventually.-|-Fearing the withering of the dynasty due to many Borgia deaths in the last civil war, Pope Soter II has legalized 'ius primae noctis' for all members of the Borgia family.

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Postby Port Caverton » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 am

Il Borgia Vaticano wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:So you don't care about the working class then


Enough to not see their human rights stripped from them. Move on, honey.

If you don't support democracy then you don't support the working class
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:47 am

Necroghastia wrote:
Nevertopia wrote:so whats stopping the courts from banning interracial marriages again?

Clarence Thomas's short sighted self-interest. That's it.

That and the fact that Gorsuch likes the case and Kav is partial to it.

Really the only person I see voting against Loving is Alito. ACB is an unknown but I doubt she’d vote to overturn.

If Thomas recuses himself it it could be a 6-2 or 7-1 decision. If he doesn’t recuse himself it would be a 7-2 or 8-1 decision.
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