[PASSED] Condemn Lily

[Miravana]

Draft 2 has been posted ^_^

[Honeydewistania]

Wow, I completely agree! Raiding an R/D neutral region solely over the personal R/D alignment of its Delegate is completely fair and definitely not hypocritical when done by "defenders", and is absolutely "outstanding contribution" the SC needs to praise!

Yes.

[Honeydewistania]

By the way, this is a very much improved draft. I can support this. Something that may be worth mentioning is Lily's contributions to the Horsemen/Crabs factions.

[Comfed]

This draft is a huge improvement over the previous one. Just to add my 2 cents, I support keeping the NationStates Del tip in there, not because I think it was necessarily good or bad but because it was still a notable event regardless.
I'm mildly disappointed at the non-inclusion of the Chicken overlords raid

[Odin]

I’ll take a more detailed look later, but for the moment I’m definitely opposed due to the inclusion of the Mikeswill del-tip. If anything, that’s commendable.

Yeah when I said "Honestly, I think stuff like Mikeswill's delegacy matters that much to this draft", I forgot a "not". I think it's a footnote, but it's worth including if only for historical value. Or kitsch.

Knowing that the clear technological superiority of Lily created a technology arms race in military warfare, to where the numbers and military records in the past 5 years greatly exceed those prior to the formation of Lily in 2017,

Fixed:

Recognizingthat the clear technological superiority of Lily created a technology arms race in military warfare, where the numbers and military records in the past 5 years greatly exceed those prior to the formation of Lily in 2017,

I prefer "as" instead of "where", but that may be imparting my own style.

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I have no idea how you managed to make this draft so good so quickly, but good job. I really have no other suggestions at this time.

[Miravana]

Thanks for the suggestions (and compliments) on the 2nd draft. I will continue to let this simmer for a bit and give others a chance for feedback before working on implementing some of these, unless some major critique is brought forward

[Minskiev]

Bump!

[Hulldom]

So I’m going to have some more comments on this later, probably this afternoon.

[Cheesy Tots]

This is a pretty awesome draft! Only main overall suggestion is to use less commas - too many commas mean too many pauses which means decreased flow. The more your resolution flows from one idea to the next, the easier it is to read and understand.

Feedback:

Presenting Lily, a powerhouse military organization where some of the world’s most villainous, evil-doing nations plot their devious plans to conquer the world with a malignant focus on tag raiding, that especially favors tag raiding, a practice that scars many otherwise peaceful and untouched regions with the military battles of outside forces,

Less commas helps it to flow better because less pauses. Also reworded the intro to tag raiding so it sounds more grammatically correct.

Asserting that Lily’s tendencies for evil led the organization to reinvent the modern military doctrine. As opposed to slow and meticulous invasions, Lily places speed and quantity above all other metrics, defacing unfathomable numbers of regions within a single day or night (at a pace so quick, that only the most elite warriors can hope to keep upmatch,) with the combined ability of its members in a regional effort to deconstruct the innocent regions it sets its eyes on,

Reworded to have less commas for better flow.

Also, I suggest changing the phrase "slow and meticulous invasions" to something related to the standards held by organizations, as that's what you're stating with Lily favoring speed. So maybe something like "As opposed to most military organizations which favor slow-paced and large-scale invasions, Lily places..." Right now you're comparing invasions to Lily's standards, which doesn't work because they're two different things.

[*]The program “Vogel”, which allowsallowingfor the logistics, coordination, and easy organization of hundreds, or even thousands of nations, along with assistingand assists in the rapid vandalism of victim regions;[/list]

Less commas for better flow again, plus revamping the clause to establish parallel structure with the pervious two sub-clauses.

Knowing Noting that the clear technological superiority of Lily has created a technology arms race in military warfare, to where the numbers and military records in the past 5 years greatly exceed those prior to the formation of Lily in 2017,

I think Noting is a better starting word here. I also suggest rephrasing the part of the clause past the comma, because it doesn't seem to read that well. Maybe something like "to the point where the achievements and capabilities of all militaries within the past 5 years greatly exceed..."

Terrified by the records broken by this new approach to raiding;, withLily and its campaigns would have causing an unprecedented numbers of casualties during its ferocious in
Lily’sonslaught against order.[/Strike] This is This record-breaking destruction of Lily is especially apparent in the campaign Operation Supernova, which resulted in 15 assailants engulfing 407 regions over the course of a single night, besting and bested the previous record by 119 and - setting a new standard for raiders to strive for and surpass,

Some stylistic suggestions.

Fortifying this fear with the even more devastating campaign of Operation Stargazer, which saw a coterie of Lily’s raiders invade a record-breaking 270 regions with just a single squadron, altogether resulting in the combined upheaval of 576 regions in a single encounter, - a currently unmatched endeavor,

Suggest using a dash here.

Lamenting Operation Obama, in which Lily brought the destruction of 3,500+ embassies to The Embassy, one of the most greatest, eminent embassy collector regions. This was possible due to the deception of Frenchy II, Supreme Commander and Girlboss of Lily, who had created a fake embassy collector region, called “Traveling Wilburys”, to gain the trust and password of The Embassy, resulting in the invasion.

Less commas mean better flow throughout the clause, so made some suggestions to that effect.

• Supreme Commander Sweeze, whose expertise in advanced technologies forged “Swarm”, a weapon mass produced and distributed freely across the multiverse, allowing those with malicious intent to subjugate and forcibly relocate vast amounts of soldiers for use in conflicts quickly and efficiently; and

Would suggest wording this as right now it doesn't read as well as it could, given the variety of commas.

Former Supreme Commander Feu De Glace, who went on to be one of the creators and main performers of the devious technique “Update Bending”, in which they blitzed in with hundreds of colonies’ worth of soldiers at once in order to disrupt the predictive abilities of their enemies, a practice largely benefitted by their great speed and ability which was mastered in their time in Lily;

Think blitz should be blitzed? Not sure tbh

[Idinist Imauggland]

I support this.

[Hulldom]

Well, was going to provide comments, but Zuk got at what I would have gotten for. If anything, I’d say keep sharpening the edges of your language to actually highlight Lily as villain.

[RiderSyl]

We should definitely Condemn them at least once.

[Miravana]

Draft 3 has been posted. This will most likely be my final draft unless there are convincing arguments otherwise. I have decided to leave out Chingis's N-Day contributions as it felt out of place when I attempted to add it, plus I felt it added very minimal in terms of condemnable behavior towards the target.

[Fried Noodles]

OOC: Aw man, I had three quarters of a draft of this going already guess I’ll have to abandon it now

You could share what you have here, and use it to help contribute to the next draft.

[Anne of Cleves in TNP]

Draft 3 has been posted. This will most likely be my final draft unless there are convincing arguments otherwise. I have decided to leave out Chingis's N-Day contributions as it felt out of place when I attempted to add it, plus I felt it added very minimal in terms of condemnable behavior towards the target.

“This third draft answers all my original complaints, so the Clevesian Empire will support.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire

[Andusre]

As much as I like Lily's folks OOCly, I have made my grievances with them known fairly publicly ICly.

Lily has no real IC ideology. The motivation for their participation in R/D is purely for their own OOC fun rather than to furthering of IC goals in a political simulator/role-play, and I don't think the SC giving that kind of play style recognition is a good idea. The region has no real, concrete internal infrastructure, recruitment or integration apparatus and serves as an OOC social club for whoever wants to swing by.

I have also made clear in the past that I find it infuriating how Lily, through their back-to-back lighting-speed update-long tag raids, effectively trains defenders to be unbeatable unless you're raiding at a ridiculously high speed with a degree of automation which the vast majority of regions can't or don't want to employ.

It took two years for raiding in any IC capacity to become viable again after the stunts Lily pulled in 2020. I despise that they seem to be knowingly doing this again in 2022 with no regard for other players who also want to raid, all for the sake of a handful of graffitied WFEs, which will be erased in their entirety by Libcord detaggers by the end of Autumn at the latest.

Opposed.

[Minskiev]

Reads like a skill issue to me Mr. Dusre (love ya tho)

[Andusre]

Reads like a skill issue to me Mr. Dusre (love ya tho)

for sure haha

[Honeydewistania]

As much as I like Lily's folks OOCly, I have made my grievances with them known fairly publicly ICly.

Lily has no real IC ideology. The motivation for their participation in R/D is purely for their own OOC fun rather than to furthering of IC goals in a political simulator/role-play, and I don't think the SC giving that kind of play style recognition is a good idea. The region has no real, concrete internal infrastructure, recruitment or integration apparatus and serves as an OOC social club for whoever wants to swing by.

I have also made clear in the past that I find it infuriating how Lily, through their back-to-back lighting-speed update-long tag raids, effectively trains defenders to be unbeatable unless you're raiding at a ridiculously high speed with a degree of automation which the vast majority of regions can't or don't want to employ.

It took two years for raiding in any IC capacity to become viable again after the stunts Lily pulled in 2020. I despise that they seem to be knowingly doing this again in 2022 with no regard for other players who also want to raid, all for the sake of a handful of graffitied WFEs, which will be erased in their entirety by Libcord detaggers by the end of Autumn at the latest.

Opposed.

You’re spot on. For making raiding difficult and advancing defending, we should be giving Lily a commendation. Therefore, opposed to this unless it becomes a commend.

[Fachumonn]

This has been approved.

[Reventus Koth]

Lily has no real IC ideology. The motivation for their participation in R/D is purely for their own OOC fun rather than to furthering of IC goals in a political simulator/role-play, and I don't think the SC giving that kind of play style recognition is a good idea. The region has no real, concrete internal infrastructure, recruitment or integration apparatus and serves as an OOC social club for whoever wants to swing by.

I was going to stay neutral on this, mostly for reasons along the line of the rest of this post, but this made me vomit so hard I can't help but break my newfound non-involvement in this disgraceful body, just this once.

Support, for the sake of promoting gameplay that is actually fun and not the suffocating "politics" of dealing with people like Andusre.

[Lord Dominator]

I have also made clear in the past that I find it infuriating how Lily, through their back-to-back lighting-speed update-long tag raids, effectively trains defenders to be unbeatable unless you're raiding at a ridiculously high speed with a degree of automation which the vast majority of regions can't or don't want to employ.

Lily not having existed wouldn’t make tag raiding magically easier - the inverse to your statement is that defenders have quite obviously proven the ability to chase at speed, and their attitude indicates they would have improved as much as physically possible, Lily or not. That includes both their chase speed and switching and etc.

It took two years for raiding in any IC capacity to become viable again after the stunts Lily pulled in 2020.

From my experience being involved in running TBH during much of that time, I can safely say that Lily’s activities in 2020 were completely unrelated to later difficulties raiding. Not once have I had specific cause to say “man, sure would be easier raiding if Lily hadn’t done whatever.”

[Andusre]

I was going to stay neutral on this, mostly for reasons along the line of the rest of this post, but this made me vomit so hard I can't help but break my newfound non-involvement in this disgraceful body, just this once.

Support, for the sake of promoting gameplay that is actually fun and not the suffocating "politics" of dealing with people like Andusre.

Aside from the really weird and out-of-left-field insult, I do love the pearl clutching. "Politics" in my political simulator?! Fuck that!

[RiderSyl]

Lily has no real IC ideology. The motivation for their participation in R/D is purely for their own OOC fun rather than to furthering of IC goals in a political simulator/role-play, and I don't think the SC giving that kind of play style recognition is a good idea.

Playing the game for fun instead of pushing an agenda has always been the superior playstyle in R/D. At the end of the day, this is still a game.

Classing those that seek to have fun in NSGP rather than push an agenda as doing something "OOC" is fucking wild, by the way.

"Politics" in my political simulator?! Fuck that!

Unironically, without sarcasm, yes. Fuck that. Gameplay doesn't need politics to function.

[WayNeacTia]

Lily has no real IC ideology. The motivation for their participation in R/D is purely for their own OOC fun rather than to furthering of IC goals in a political simulator/role-play, and I don't think the SC giving that kind of play style recognition is a good idea. The region has no real, concrete internal infrastructure, recruitment or integration apparatus and serves as an OOC social club for whoever wants to swing by.

I was going to stay neutral on this, mostly for reasons along the line of the rest of this post, but this made me vomit so hard I can't help but break my newfound non-involvement in this disgraceful body, just this once.

Support, for the sake of promoting gameplay that is actually fun and not the suffocating "politics" of dealing with people like Andusre.

I do believe "fun" was was declared illegal about 15 or so years ago....