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What would you consider to be the best 'compromise'?

Reduce abortions with welfare supports / other non-invasive measures, leave access untouched.
132
33%
Set conditions under which abortions can be accessed.
83
21%
Allow free access, under a given time limit.
38
9%
Allow free access, but give men an option to excuse themselves from child support.
40
10%
HELL WITH COMPROMISE, IT'S MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!
86
21%
Look out! They're here! Pink Elephants on Parade! Here they come, hippity hoppity!
22
5%
 
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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 3:59 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.


Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

Woman can be pregnant once in 9 months. A man can get get a woman pregnant once a day. Do the math and see who is more responsible for protection.
I can't be misandrist for speaking scientific facts and wanting men to stop being entitled and thinking that they cannot be at fault they they clearly can.
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:00 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.


Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

There's a reason over half of US abortion patients reported used contraception and birth control the month they got pregnant.
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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:00 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:Child is not a child until it leaves the womb. As long the thing is inside her it's not a child and she has right to abort it because it's just a bunch of cells.


What gives you the right to define what life is?

What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:01 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:In most if not all events (only counting consentual sexual activities here) it's not the woman's fault that she became unwantdly pregnant but man's for not wanting to wear protection when having sex.


Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

No no he's got a point
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Postby Necroghastia » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:01 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:Child is not a child until it leaves the womb. As long the thing is inside her it's not a child and she has right to abort it because it's just a bunch of cells.


What gives you the right to define what life is?

where in that post did equai define life lmfao
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:02 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
What gives you the right to define what life is?

What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?


Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:04 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?


Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.


Ah, casual misogyny too. How utterly predictable.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:04 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?


Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.

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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:05 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Birth control is a thing you misandrist troll.

Woman can be pregnant once in 9 months. A man can get get a woman pregnant once a day. Do the math and see who is more responsible for protection.
I can't be misandrist for speaking scientific facts and wanting men to stop being entitled and thinking that they cannot be at fault they they clearly can.


Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:05 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:What gives you right to say what women can or cannot do when you clearly aren't a woman?


Nice circular argument, good to see you have no valid arguments here. Typical woman.

Classic male entitlement. I can give you dozen of scientific research papers that shows that life begins in the very late pregnancy stage or even a biblical proven if you are religious. You wouldn't even consider them anyway because you are locked in that echo-chamber thinking that just because you are are a guy you can dictate what women can do. News flash tho: You can't.
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:06 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:Woman can be pregnant once in 9 months. A man can get get a woman pregnant once a day. Do the math and see who is more responsible for protection.
I can't be misandrist for speaking scientific facts and wanting men to stop being entitled and thinking that they cannot be at fault they they clearly can.


Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.

Then why are they consistently on birth control when they get an abortion? Birth control is a great reduction, but it isn't a silver bullet, is it?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:07 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.

Then why are they consistently on birth control when they get an abortion? Birth control is a great reduction, but it isn't a silver bullet, is it?

To be fair abortion isn't a silver bullet
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:08 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:Then why are they consistently on birth control when they get an abortion? Birth control is a great reduction, but it isn't a silver bullet, is it?

To be fair abortion isn't a silver bullet

The abortion of the fetus is by definition a silver bullet: it ends pregnancy, at least when done in a safe, sterile, and professional environment.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:09 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:To be fair abortion isn't a silver bullet

The abortion of the fetus is by definition a silver bullet: it ends pregnancy, at least when done in a safe, sterile, and professional environment.

And when it isn't?
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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:09 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:Woman can be pregnant once in 9 months. A man can get get a woman pregnant once a day. Do the math and see who is more responsible for protection.
I can't be misandrist for speaking scientific facts and wanting men to stop being entitled and thinking that they cannot be at fault they they clearly can.


Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.

The point of my argument is that men should have birth control pills as well. Once a woman gets pregnant once she can't get pregnant again until she gives birth. A man, however can impregnate a woman on daily basis. Therefore they have bigger responsibility. You don't need to act offended or entitled just because of a basic biology facts of reproduction. I can't be misandrist because I understand how reproduction work.
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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:10 pm

Jewish Underground State wrote:
Fidimouni wrote:The abortion of the fetus is by definition a silver bullet: it ends pregnancy, at least when done in a safe, sterile, and professional environment.

And when it isn't?

When it isn't? Then, of course, it kills the women usually, or fails to abort the fetus, or is done in such a environment on where it derives one of there dignity. A bastardization.
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:11 pm

F*ck, I forgot how much I hate male and female supremacists
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:12 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Jewish Underground State wrote:And when it isn't?

When it isn't? Then, of course, it kills the women usually, or fails to abort the fetus, or is done in such a environment on where it derives one of there dignity. A bastardization.

Which is why banning it sucks.

It forces women to have much unsafe procedures
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:13 pm

Equai wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Your entire argument is, "MEN ARE 100% RESPONSIBLE FOR PREGNANCY REEEEE!", how are you not misandrist? Pregnancy requires a sperm and an egg. Men only have one. Women have a responsibility to be on birth control if they don't want to get pregnant just as men are responsible for condoms or vasectomies if they don't want kids.

The point of my argument is that men should have birth control pills as well. Once a woman gets pregnant once she can't get pregnant again until she gives birth. A man, however can impregnate a woman on daily basis. Therefore they have bigger responsibility. You don't need to act offended or entitled just because of a basic biology facts of reproduction. I can't be misandrist because I understand how reproduction work.


... you do realize it's possible to get pregnant while pregnant, right? It's rare, but possible. Yet ya'll are brigading on me to moderation...jfc five seconds of research

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:14 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:The point of my argument is that men should have birth control pills as well. Once a woman gets pregnant once she can't get pregnant again until she gives birth. A man, however can impregnate a woman on daily basis. Therefore they have bigger responsibility. You don't need to act offended or entitled just because of a basic biology facts of reproduction. I can't be misandrist because I understand how reproduction work.


... you do realize it's possible to get pregnant while pregnant, right? It's rare, but possible. Yet ya'll are brigading on me to moderation...jfc five seconds of research


If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:15 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
... you do realize it's possible to get pregnant while pregnant, right? It's rare, but possible. Yet ya'll are brigading on me to moderation...jfc five seconds of research


If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.


Ya'll are the one claiming it isn't possible so burden or proof lies on you...

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Postby Fidimouni » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:16 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.


Ya'll are the one claiming it isn't possible so burden or proof lies on you...

Who said someone couldn't get pregnant during pregnancy my man?
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Postby Jewish Underground State » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:17 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
If the studies showing that are easy to find it won’t be hard for you to post them.


Ya'll are the one claiming it isn't possible so burden or proof lies on you...

If I have to side with a male supremacist that shows how flawed your debate is. Site sources Fidimouni
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Postby Bonggongland » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:18 pm

Fidimouni wrote:
Bonggongland wrote:
Ya'll are the one claiming it isn't possible so burden or proof lies on you...

Who said someone couldn't get pregnant during pregnancy my man?


Read the thread my man

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Postby Equai » Wed Jun 01, 2022 4:19 pm

Bonggongland wrote:
Equai wrote:The point of my argument is that men should have birth control pills as well. Once a woman gets pregnant once she can't get pregnant again until she gives birth. A man, however can impregnate a woman on daily basis. Therefore they have bigger responsibility. You don't need to act offended or entitled just because of a basic biology facts of reproduction. I can't be misandrist because I understand how reproduction work.


... you do realize it's possible to get pregnant while pregnant, right? It's rare, but possible. Yet ya'll are brigading on me to moderation...jfc five seconds of research

Even if that's possible, it is, like you said, RARE. How rare is for a sperm to fertilize an egg on daily basis? No women have or want to have sex while pregnant so even if being double pregnant at the same time is rare it becomes even rarer when you count for that. You started the responsibility argument so...
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