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by New Stormhold » Wed May 25, 2022 2:23 pm
by The Archregimancy » Wed May 25, 2022 2:23 pm
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:The Archregimancy wrote:
He doesn't know much about Ge'ez and Coptic, either - both of which are now solely liturgical languages that died out as community spoken languages well before Cornish did, and have been solely liturgical languages for centuries.
But when have simple things like historical facts ever managed to get in the way of a Nationalist Northumbria thread?
They admittedly provide some level of entertainment, but I wouldn't come to them to actually learn anything.
As you admit yourself, people spoke them. Unlike Cornish.
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Hebrew, Ge'ez, and Coptic never died out, unlike Cornish.
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by Tinhampton » Wed May 25, 2022 2:36 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Red Lake Circle wrote:Wow, you really don't know how modern Hebrew became a thing, do you?
He doesn't know much about Ge'ez and Coptic, either - both of which are now solely liturgical languages that died out as community spoken languages well before Cornish did, and have been solely liturgical languages for centuries.
But when have simple things like historical facts ever managed to get in the way of a Nationalist Northumbria thread?
They admittedly provide some level of entertainment, but I wouldn't come to them to actually learn anything.
by Heloin » Wed May 25, 2022 2:37 pm
New Stormhold wrote:Honestly speaking, in spite of their newly made-up Cornish language, Cornwall stopped being a true Celtic nation long ago.
The Archregimancy wrote:Yes, well, we've covered that one already.
by Nationalist Northumbria » Wed May 25, 2022 2:55 pm
The Archregimancy wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:As you admit yourself, people spoke them. Unlike Cornish.
Some points here:
1) Your actual claim was:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Hebrew, Ge'ez, and Coptic never died out, unlike Cornish.
We've established that this was incorrect.
2) Modern Cornish, as we've established, is a grammatical and phonological compromise that draws on past literary forms of the original spoken language and modern Breton and Welsh.
3) Modern liturgical Coptic is a grammatical and phonological compromise that draws on at least six different divergent regional dialects, and where we have no real idea of the original phonology because there are have been no surviving closely related languages since Coptic died out as a community language in the 16th century (or thereabouts)
4) Ge'ez died out as a community language somewhere around the 10th century, and the modern liturgical version of the language likely bears little resemblance in pronunciation to the spoken language of late antiquity and the early modern period in Ethiopia - though we have no real way of known either way - while the grammar is a formalised version of multiple grammatical traditions. Pronunciation of the liturgical version is based on tradition rather than on actual knowledge of how the medieval language was pronounced.
3) Therefore people have, at various points in the past spoken all of these languages, just not in a form that's necessarily identical to either the modern liturgical versions (in the case of Coptic and Ge'ez) or revived version (in the case of Cornish). The comparison between the three is entirely apropos since the modern forms are all a combination of best guesses drawing on genuine literary traditions of languages that were all once community languages, even if the modern forms necessarily vary from the original spoken versions.
I mean, we could do this all night and all we would do is establish that I know far more about all of these languages than you do; but I need to go to bed, so we can pick this up tomorrow if you'd like.
Heloin wrote:New Stormhold wrote:Honestly speaking, in spite of their newly made-up Cornish language, Cornwall stopped being a true Celtic nation long ago.
If you want to talk some shit about a place read the thread first.The Archregimancy wrote:Yes, well, we've covered that one already.
by New Stormhold » Wed May 25, 2022 3:07 pm
by Heloin » Wed May 25, 2022 3:08 pm
by New Stormhold » Wed May 25, 2022 3:19 pm
Heloin wrote:New Stormhold wrote:Honestly speaking, in spite of their newly made-up Cornish language, Cornwall stopped being a true Celtic nation long ago.
If you want to talk some shit about a place read the thread first.The Archregimancy wrote:Yes, well, we've covered that one already.
by Hamidiye » Wed May 25, 2022 3:33 pm
by Nationalist Northumbria » Wed May 25, 2022 4:26 pm
Heloin wrote:Munk, you're not a linguist. No linguist I have ever meet or who's papers I have read agrees with the point you are making. You don't get to decide what a conlang is, you don't have the knowledge or training to speak with authority on language revivals. This isn't you being clever, this is one of the most damning examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.
by Red Lake Circle » Wed May 25, 2022 4:30 pm
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Heloin wrote:Munk, you're not a linguist. No linguist I have ever meet or who's papers I have read agrees with the point you are making. You don't get to decide what a conlang is, you don't have the knowledge or training to speak with authority on language revivals. This isn't you being clever, this is one of the most damning examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.
I speak from common sense. You can apply common sense to anything, and I'm applying it here. Also, how am I "greatly overestimating my own knowledge" when I just said the mod was the expert not me?
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by Hukhalia » Wed May 25, 2022 4:52 pm
by Heloin » Wed May 25, 2022 4:52 pm
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Heloin wrote:Munk, you're not a linguist. No linguist I have ever meet or who's papers I have read agrees with the point you are making. You don't get to decide what a conlang is, you don't have the knowledge or training to speak with authority on language revivals. This isn't you being clever, this is one of the most damning examples of the Dunning–Kruger effect in action.
I speak from common sense. You can apply common sense to anything, and I'm applying it here. Also, how am I "greatly overestimating my own knowledge" when I just said the mod was the expert not me?
by Red Lake Circle » Wed May 25, 2022 4:53 pm
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
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by Red Lake Circle » Thu May 26, 2022 12:30 am
Republic Of Ludwigsburg wrote:"Cornwall declares independence from the United Kingdom"
And nothing of value was lost.
01/15/1583 2000 GST: The trial for the murder of Faurgamu Reiks, the former head of National Revival who had connections to the terrorist group the Harjis Witoth, comes to a conclusion. Both Awareik Fairgunein and Hawi Marthal were convicted of second-degree murder. The public has a mixed response, with some agreeing with the sentencing and others believing the killing was justified. Presiding judge Aiktriu K. Kam responds, "I stand with the law, not public opinion."
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