by Cetacea » Wed May 25, 2022 5:22 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 25, 2022 5:56 am
by The Archregimancy » Wed May 25, 2022 5:58 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 25, 2022 6:03 am
The Archregimancy wrote:The title of your thread is wildly inaccurate.
Sinn Fein have become the largest party in the Northern Ireland Assembly, so have won a plurality of seats, but they're not remotely close to having won a majority - they only won 29% of the vote and 27 of the 90 seats in the Assembly. The combined vote of Unionist parties is still (just) larger than the combined vote of the Nationalist parties.
Your post misses several crucial things about the politics of Northern Ireland:
1) The vote of nationalist parties has remained static since the first Assembly election in 1998, though over time Sinn Fein has replaced the more moderate SDLP as the largest nationalist party.
2) While the share of the vote won by Unionist parties has declined since 1998, this has not led to a significant rise in the Nationalist vote. Instead, the chief beneficiaries have been the non-sectarian non-aligned centrist Alliance Party. Therefore the overall trend over the last 25 years hasn't been towards nationalism, but towards non-sectarianism.
3) The First Minister and Deputy First Minister are co-equal posts with equal power who collectively lead the Northern Ireland Executive. The titles merely recognise who leads the larger party, not who wields the most power.
by The Archregimancy » Wed May 25, 2022 7:20 am
by Old Tyrannia » Wed May 25, 2022 1:34 pm
by Archinstinct » Wed May 25, 2022 3:55 pm
Deblar wrote:If even Switzerland is opposing your imperialist invasion, you know you've fucked up
by Hukhalia » Wed May 25, 2022 5:07 pm
Archinstinct wrote:I welcome moves toward Irish nationalism in Northern Ireland, and concerned by move toward non-sectarianism. The Irish people have long been oppressed under the iron fist of the British, and Ireland itself is historically one of the first victims of imperialism by the British. The blight of 1847 was a ethnic genocide against catholic Irish by protestant England which angers me to think about. It still angers me to know that Ireland is still partly occupied by the British colonizers. I hope someday ALL of Ireland be free.
by Archinstinct » Wed May 25, 2022 5:15 pm
Hukhalia wrote:non-sectarianism is good, NI unionism is bad. if you seriously want the destruction of british imperialism in ireland then it's best not to divide the lads by religion, but rather unite them
regardless, the reunification of ireland on a national basis isn't the end of british imperialism on the island, far from it. ireland is still very much economically dependent on britain, with its main trading partners being britain and the US. until ireland adopts a socialist model of production it will always be ruled by anglo-american businesses and trade.
there's also the fact that ireland is in the imperial core anyway and arguably benefits from the oppression of the third world by anglo-american imperialism far more than it is hindered by it, but people like to ignore that lol
Deblar wrote:If even Switzerland is opposing your imperialist invasion, you know you've fucked up
by Hukhalia » Wed May 25, 2022 5:17 pm
Archinstinct wrote:Hukhalia wrote:non-sectarianism is good, NI unionism is bad. if you seriously want the destruction of british imperialism in ireland then it's best not to divide the lads by religion, but rather unite them
regardless, the reunification of ireland on a national basis isn't the end of british imperialism on the island, far from it. ireland is still very much economically dependent on britain, with its main trading partners being britain and the US. until ireland adopts a socialist model of production it will always be ruled by anglo-american businesses and trade.
there's also the fact that ireland is in the imperial core anyway and arguably benefits from the oppression of the third world by anglo-american imperialism far more than it is hindered by it, but people like to ignore that lol
No thanks. I'd rather not see Ireland trade one kind of tyranny for an even shittier kind of tyranny.
by Archinstinct » Wed May 25, 2022 5:20 pm
Hukhalia wrote:your support for irish freedom is therefore paper-thin and pointless tbh, ireland never stopped being ruled by the british.
Deblar wrote:If even Switzerland is opposing your imperialist invasion, you know you've fucked up
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 5:25 pm
by Archinstinct » Wed May 25, 2022 5:30 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:I think a state of national emergency should be considered. If Northern Ireland is maneuvered by politicians towards secession, wouldn’t this weaken the United Kingdom?
Deblar wrote:If even Switzerland is opposing your imperialist invasion, you know you've fucked up
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 5:36 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 5:58 pm
Heloin wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
If Northern Ireland secedes in a 5 year framework, would the GDP, resources, population, power, prestige, lands etc of the UK increase or decrease? I think that’s clear.
Northern Ireland makes up just under 3% of the population of the whole UK and under 6% of land area. The lose would be negligible if that for the rest of the Union.
by Heloin » Wed May 25, 2022 6:12 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Wed May 25, 2022 6:32 pm
by Hukhalia » Wed May 25, 2022 6:35 pm
Pasong Tirad wrote:Heloin wrote:Aside from their opinion being totally irrelevant to the situation the popular consensus seems to be slightly in favour of Union above a United Ireland but above that most people seem to not really care either way.
Support for secession or independence rises just slightly somewhere in the world and IM immediately wakes up from his bed, sweating, demanding direct rule and military intervention.
Anyway, if a government could be formed I'm very interested in seeing how Sinn Fein performs with regards to its more left-leaning policies.
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 8:37 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 8:37 pm
Hukhalia wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Support for secession or independence rises just slightly somewhere in the world and IM immediately wakes up from his bed, sweating, demanding direct rule and military intervention.
Anyway, if a government could be formed I'm very interested in seeing how Sinn Fein performs with regards to its more left-leaning policies.
spoiler alert: milquetoast and ineffective social democracy at "best"
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2022 8:39 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Heloin wrote:Aside from their opinion being totally irrelevant to the situation the popular consensus seems to be slightly in favour of Union above a United Ireland but above that most people seem to not really care either way.
The UK would try to prevent secession right? In the event that this Irish party moves for it?
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 8:40 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
The UK would try to prevent secession right? In the event that this Irish party moves for it?
No, they wouldn't. It was part of the peace agreement that the British government would respect whatever choice Northern Ireland makes on the matter. To go back on that would almost immediately lead to car bombs going off in London again.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed May 25, 2022 8:42 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No, they wouldn't. It was part of the peace agreement that the British government would respect whatever choice Northern Ireland makes on the matter. To go back on that would almost immediately lead to car bombs going off in London again.
Wouldn’t that be terrorism?
by Infected Mushroom » Wed May 25, 2022 8:45 pm
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