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Who do you rescue?

pregnant woman, 19 years old
12
52%
mother, 20; son, 1 month old
5
22%
mother, 25; son, 5 years old
2
9%
mother, 35; son, 15
2
9%
mother, 45; son, 25
1
4%
mother, 55; son, 35
0
No votes
mother, 65; son, 45
0
No votes
mother, 75; son, 55
0
No votes
mother, 85; son, 65
0
No votes
mother, 95; son, 75
1
4%
 
Total votes : 23

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Xerographica
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House Fire Dilemma

Postby Xerographica » Tue May 24, 2022 1:57 pm

You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 24, 2022 2:01 pm

Congratulations on giving the most shit take possible as reasoning on your choice.

Both from ethics and from a pure economic pragmatism standpoint.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 24, 2022 2:01 pm

Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

However, that random toddler may grow up to be a million times more important that that random adult. I'd say save the pregnant woman, however
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Postby The Selkie » Tue May 24, 2022 2:02 pm

When I was younger, I was part of the voluntary firefighters of the town I lived in. There was one thing they drilled into our heads repeatedly: Do not endanger yourself needlessly, unless you are very sure, that your heroics won't endanger other people or cause other problems.
Instead, call for help, preferably of the professionals. That also spares me from being sued due to failure to render assistance.
So, my reply would be: I'd call the fire department.
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Postby Russeja » Tue May 24, 2022 2:03 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

However, that random toddler may grow up to be a million times more important that that random adult. I'd say save the pregnant woman, however

Toddler still needs to be brought up and raised, and he/she will most likely grow up to be a normal person.
While an adult is already formed and most likely still the same normal person.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue May 24, 2022 2:06 pm

Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

If there's 10 houses on fire, that means there's a giant honking brushfire in the area and that I evacuated at least an hour prior after running around the neighborhood banging on all 10 doors to alert the neighbors to the incoming fire threat so they could evacuate as well.

Source: Been there, done that. Twice.

Hypotheticals need to be at least vaguely plausible to mean anything.
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Postby Xerographica » Tue May 24, 2022 2:06 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

However, that random toddler may grow up to be a million times more important that that random adult. I'd say save the pregnant woman, however

Chances are really good that society has invested way more in that random adult than in that random toddler.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 24, 2022 2:08 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

If there's 10 houses on fire, that means there's a giant honking brushfire in the area and that I evacuated at least an hour prior after running around the neighborhood banging on all 10 doors to alert the neighbors to the incoming fire threat so they could evacuate as well.

Source: Been there, done that. Twice.

Hypotheticals need to be at least vaguely plausible to mean anything.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 24, 2022 2:09 pm

Xerographica wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:However, that random toddler may grow up to be a million times more important that that random adult. I'd say save the pregnant woman, however

Chances are really good that society has invested way more in that random adult than in that random toddler.

You do know that not everything is about money, right?
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Postby FNU » Tue May 24, 2022 2:09 pm

This whole dilemma is just the trolley problem with a different skin, only change being both options require you to put yourself in harms way. Call the authorities and leave it to them or just save yourself.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 24, 2022 2:29 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:
Xerographica wrote:You are surrounded by 10 houses that are on fire. Each house has a mother and her son, except for one house which has a woman pregnant with a boy. They are all strangers to you.
You only have time to save the occupant(s) of one house. Who do you save? Personally I'd probably save the 45 year old mother and her 25 year old son.

Is this dilemma moral or economic?

Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

If there's 10 houses on fire, that means there's a giant honking brushfire in the area and that I evacuated at least an hour prior after running around the neighborhood banging on all 10 doors to alert the neighbors to the incoming fire threat so they could evacuate as well.

Source: Been there, done that. Twice.

Hypotheticals need to be at least vaguely plausible to mean anything.

This. If there’s 10 houses on fire I won’t be in that area
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Postby Xerographica » Tue May 24, 2022 2:33 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Xerographica wrote:Chances are really good that society has invested way more in that random adult than in that random toddler.

You do know that not everything is about money, right?

A random adult is more useful to society than a random toddler.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue May 24, 2022 2:33 pm

If there's enough time for me to save the occupants of a house, there's definitely enough time for the occupants of all the houses to escape on their own, since I'm not a firefighter.

Xerographica wrote:Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

Why are you so weird?
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Postby The Orwell Society » Tue May 24, 2022 2:36 pm

Senkaku wrote:If there's enough time for me to save the occupants of a house, there's definitely enough time for the occupants of all the houses to escape on their own, since I'm not a firefighter.

Xerographica wrote:Personally I think it's an economic dilemma as people of different ages are unequally valuable. A random toddler is less valuable to me than a random adult.

Why are you so weird?

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Postby Reploid Productions » Tue May 24, 2022 2:38 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
Senkaku wrote:If there's enough time for me to save the occupants of a house, there's definitely enough time for the occupants of all the houses to escape on their own, since I'm not a firefighter.


Why are you so weird?

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Postby Heloin » Tue May 24, 2022 2:42 pm

I stop the fire with the power of donations.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 24, 2022 2:42 pm

I would consider rescuing a person only after deducing the relative value of the fire by communicating with it through smoke signals to establish whether it supports facilitating micropayments on the forums of nationstates dot net
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 24, 2022 2:44 pm

Heloin wrote:I stop the fire with the power of donations.

For a second I thought you said detonations which while it would stop the fire, it wouldn’t leave many left alive
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Postby Hamidiye » Tue May 24, 2022 2:45 pm

The one I am closest to and have the best chances to actually make it...provided I'd actually consider the odds sufficient not to get hurt myself. Without a decent chance to make it out myself alife there's no point after all. My own life is vastly more important than yours or that of any other arsehole after all. :D
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Tue May 24, 2022 2:48 pm

Save none of them.

If they can't get themselves out, then I sure as hell can't get in...
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 24, 2022 2:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Heloin wrote:I stop the fire with the power of donations.

For a second I thought you said detonations which while it would stop the fire, it wouldn’t leave many left alive


Great news, this will make our dilemma much easier.
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Postby Heloin » Tue May 24, 2022 2:52 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:For a second I thought you said detonations which while it would stop the fire, it wouldn’t leave many left alive


Great news, this will make our dilemma much easier.

How much do I have to donate to level the neighbourhood with cluster munitions?
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Postby Mestovakia » Tue May 24, 2022 2:53 pm

This whole trolley problem only works if we didn't start the fire

It was always burning, since the world's been turning
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Spoiler: Xerographica thinks they've come up with a new way to sneak up on the topic of voting with money that will get us all to agree that it's the best before we realize what we're agreeing to.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 24, 2022 3:12 pm

Why am I keeping track of the ages of all my neighbours? Am I some kind of stalker? Did I start these fires?
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