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by Vassenor » Sun May 22, 2022 8:26 am
by Galloism » Sun May 22, 2022 8:53 am
by Ostroeuropa » Sun May 22, 2022 11:57 am
Galloism wrote:
Meanwhile, multiple men are dead from it. Including a teenage boy.
We also are seeing in real time how an abuser used #MeToo as a cudgel to continuously punish her victim.
What’s a few bodies to step over, right Vass?
by Suriyanakhon » Sun May 22, 2022 12:29 pm
Galloism wrote:Including a teenage boy.
by Galloism » Sun May 22, 2022 12:33 pm
Suriyanakhon wrote:Galloism wrote:Including a teenage boy.
Uhm, it says he killed himself after a girl accused him of sexual assault and an online group of him and other boys discussed sexual violence was revealed, because the other boys telling him he would probably have to speak to the police. Are police not suppose to investigate rape allegations?
by New haven america » Sun May 22, 2022 5:02 pm
by Galloism » Sun May 22, 2022 5:05 pm
by Stellar Colonies » Sun May 22, 2022 5:11 pm
Galloism wrote:On the flip side, #MenToo is apparently trending on Twitter, and a lot of men are suddenly speaking up about abuse they’ve suffered from women, and a lot of men and women both are talking about all the abuse their fathers sustained from their mothers as they were growing up, and how they never hit back or told anyone because it was so very shameful.
We will see if it holds up or it will drift off, but it’s a place to begin anyway. Might as well start somewhere.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Galloism » Sun May 22, 2022 5:14 pm
Stellar Colonies wrote:Galloism wrote:On the flip side, #MenToo is apparently trending on Twitter, and a lot of men are suddenly speaking up about abuse they’ve suffered from women, and a lot of men and women both are talking about all the abuse their fathers sustained from their mothers as they were growing up, and how they never hit back or told anyone because it was so very shameful.
We will see if it holds up or it will drift off, but it’s a place to begin anyway. Might as well start somewhere.
I'm not surprised that it's sprouting off the trial, but hopefully it gets some balls rolling and reduces the stigma of coming out regarding abuse that has been suffered regardless of how the trial goes, even if only marginally.
Additionally, I'm concerned about how eroding federal protections of abortion could potentially have a negative impact on intactivism and other issues of bodily autonomy in addition to the direct fallout on abortion itself.
by Fahran » Sun May 22, 2022 6:25 pm
Galloism wrote:Not saying that they shouldn’t. I’m pointing out her selection bias was stepping over dead bodies while saying “no one was harmed”.
by Fahran » Sun May 22, 2022 6:26 pm
New haven america wrote:
1/2 of America's about the lose bodily autonomy and you're busy complaining about how MeToo totally hasn't turned into a cesspit? I'll pretend to be shocked.
When did it evolve from "I am woman, here me roar!" to "I am woman, listen to me vent and don't you dare offer solutions!"?
by Fahran » Sun May 22, 2022 6:27 pm
Galloism wrote:On the flip side, #MenToo is apparently trending on Twitter, and a lot of men are suddenly speaking up about abuse they’ve suffered from women, and a lot of men and women both are talking about all the abuse their fathers sustained from their mothers as they were growing up, and how they never hit back or told anyone because it was so very shameful.
We will see if it holds up or it will drift off, but it’s a place to begin anyway. Might as well start somewhere.
by Forsher » Sun May 22, 2022 11:05 pm
by Galloism » Mon May 23, 2022 4:45 am
Forsher wrote:For reasons I just spent way too long in a carpark. The relevant part of the story is that after I'd already been there for a bit this woman (20s, probably) goes up the lift. A bit after that a man (60s? young 70s? old looking 50s) goes up. They end up coming back down at the same time... but the woman kept going down. And then came up again.
The only thing I can think of is that she was deliberately avoiding being in the carpark at the same time as him. (She also seemed to be stuck to the back wall, but maybe that's just how she uses lifts... I don't remember how she stood the two times she was in there solo.)
Obviously coming to theHe Man Woman Haters Clubthe NS Feminism thread isn't likely to get a female perspective on the episode but it seemed #feminism to me.
Alternatively she forgot which of the two floors she parked on, but that is unrealistic because her parking was a whole saga due to the weird behaviour of the security guard. You'd think she'd remember.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2022 7:28 am
Forsher wrote:For reasons I just spent way too long in a carpark. The relevant part of the story is that after I'd already been there for a bit this woman (20s, probably) goes up the lift. A bit after that a man (60s? young 70s? old looking 50s) goes up. They end up coming back down at the same time... but the woman kept going down. And then came up again.
The only thing I can think of is that she was deliberately avoiding being in the carpark at the same time as him. (She also seemed to be stuck to the back wall, but maybe that's just how she uses lifts... I don't remember how she stood the two times she was in there solo.)
Obviously coming to theHe Man Woman Haters Clubthe NS Feminism thread isn't likely to get a female perspective on the episode but it seemed #feminism to me.
Alternatively she forgot which of the two floors she parked on, but that is unrealistic because her parking was a whole saga due to the weird behaviour of the security guard. You'd think she'd remember.
by Fahran » Mon May 23, 2022 7:49 am
by Stellar Colonies » Mon May 23, 2022 7:55 am
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2022 8:02 am
Fahran wrote:I'd also argue experience plays a role here as well. I mentioned in our previous conversations about street harassment that leering, inappropriate remarks, stalking, unwanted touching, etc. are something experienced by around a quarter of girls before they reach the age of eighteen. I won't speak for the other ladies here, but, yeah, I definitely make a habit of not being alone with men I don't know well. Because that hasn't historically led to good experiences for me.
by Fahran » Mon May 23, 2022 8:59 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Fahran wrote:I'd also argue experience plays a role here as well. I mentioned in our previous conversations about street harassment that leering, inappropriate remarks, stalking, unwanted touching, etc. are something experienced by around a quarter of girls before they reach the age of eighteen. I won't speak for the other ladies here, but, yeah, I definitely make a habit of not being alone with men I don't know well. Because that hasn't historically led to good experiences for me.
I too have met men who have done nasty things to me. And yet, here we are.
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2022 9:14 am
by Knask » Mon May 23, 2022 10:01 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Fahran wrote:You’re understanding this as a function of bigotry. I’m understanding it as a function of trauma.
Yes, i'm sure living in a society that produces horror movies about men titled simply "Men" has no impact on your perception of the world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_(2022_film).
by Adamede » Mon May 23, 2022 10:06 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Fahran wrote:You’re understanding this as a function of bigotry. I’m understanding it as a function of trauma.
Yes, i'm sure living in a society that produces horror movies about men titled simply "Men" has no impact on your perception of the world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_(2022_film) usual borked linking issue ) and that the root of it is simply that women are simply inherently more fragile than men (Who experience criminal violence at higher rates).
The Trauma explanation only works if you're telling me women are simply less able to cope with stress than men, or you're ignoring the fact that men experience more of these traumatic events than women. It is a function of bigotry. Your understanding of it as a function of "trauma" is the kind of willful ignorance that modern feminist misandry is built upon.
Let me put it this way Fahran and see if it clicks for you.
If I were to spam society with "Greedy Jew" ideology and rhetoric, and someone met a greedy jew, do you think this might form particular connections in their mind quicker than if they simply met a greedy person who was a Jew without all the constant priming on the subject?
The normal, not mentally disturbed way to react would be "Oh a greedy person". But, with the priming "Greedy Jew" comes to the fore. Let's go a step further. Suppose they start thinking back to that time a Jew was greedy every time they're in a situation with a Jew who will have access to their money. "Ah yes, a function of their experiences. Very normal, very rational.".
Alas, the minds of many women in the modern era are broken by their refusal to take men seriously when they told them they were poisoning themselves by listening to feminists, and i'm bored of taking them seriously when they say this kind of shit. The only appropriate response is "That is repulsive and you should be ashamed of yourself". I have significantly more time for women who recognize the problem and work to fix it, even if they continue to suffer from the effects.
by Knask » Mon May 23, 2022 10:24 am
Adamede wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yes, i'm sure living in a society that produces horror movies about men titled simply "Men" has no impact on your perception of the world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_(2022_film) usual borked linking issue ) and that the root of it is simply that women are simply inherently more fragile than men (Who experience criminal violence at higher rates).
The Trauma explanation only works if you're telling me women are simply less able to cope with stress than men, or you're ignoring the fact that men experience more of these traumatic events than women. It is a function of bigotry. Your understanding of it as a function of "trauma" is the kind of willful ignorance that modern feminist misandry is built upon.
Let me put it this way Fahran and see if it clicks for you.
If I were to spam society with "Greedy Jew" ideology and rhetoric, and someone met a greedy jew, do you think this might form particular connections in their mind quicker than if they simply met a greedy person who was a Jew without all the constant priming on the subject?
The normal, not mentally disturbed way to react would be "Oh a greedy person". But, with the priming "Greedy Jew" comes to the fore. Let's go a step further. Suppose they start thinking back to that time a Jew was greedy every time they're in a situation with a Jew who will have access to their money. "Ah yes, a function of their experiences. Very normal, very rational.".
Alas, the minds of many women in the modern era are broken by their refusal to take men seriously when they told them they were poisoning themselves by listening to feminists, and i'm bored of taking them seriously when they say this kind of shit. The only appropriate response is "That is repulsive and you should be ashamed of yourself". I have significantly more time for women who recognize the problem and work to fix it, even if they continue to suffer from the effects.
Yah I don't think the point of the movie is "men bad".
by Ostroeuropa » Mon May 23, 2022 11:24 am
Knask wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yes, i'm sure living in a society that produces horror movies about men titled simply "Men" has no impact on your perception of the world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_(2022_film).
We've come quite a way since we lived in a society that produces horror movies about women titled simply "The Woman". 11 years ago, when we all feared the woman, and it wasn't even an Alex Garland movie.
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