I mean, that’s kind of what I thought of it.
The article even mentions demonstrators being transported to Belfast by bus from the Republic of Ireland.
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by The Alma Mater » Sun May 22, 2022 3:14 am
by Heloin » Sun May 22, 2022 3:17 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Heloin wrote:Pop into this thread again to see Munk insulting and dismissing the Cornish people so I see his tact and care about the non-English people of Britain is just as graceful as ever.
As I think as I've already said, please don't get me wrong, I have great respect for the indigenous peoples of this island.
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:18 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.
Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people
But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.
Did you even read his post?
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by The Nihilistic view » Sun May 22, 2022 3:24 am
Celritannia wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
I don't believe there are any offshore accounts. But nice ad hominem.
Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.
Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people
But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.
by The Nihilistic view » Sun May 22, 2022 3:26 am
by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:26 am
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:28 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Celritannia wrote:
Offshore accounts need to be heavily taxed. Just because they are allowed does not mean they are right.
Big businesses and the mega rich should not be able to get away with paying little tax. It fucks up the economy and puts the burden more on the regular people
But tories don't care if the people suffer, as long as they horde their wealth.
You're completely missing the whole point, you can't tax them fundamentally because the people who control the accounts are not resident in the UK. So your idea is basically go around taking money out of accounts of people that don't live in the UK. Secondly how do you do that when the account isn't even in your regulatory area?
You are inhabiting some odd fantasy land over this. There is reality and then there is whatever is in your head and it appears you think just because you say it that makes it possible and or true.
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by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:35 am
“It’s outrageous that large multinational giants are moving billions of pounds out of our country and into tax havens or low tax jurisdictions,” said George Turner, the Executive Director of TaxWatch.
“It costs the tax payer and the Treasury a huge amount of money. For the eight companies we looked at, it costs £1.5 billion pounds a year. According to the Institute for Fiscal Studies, that’s enough to fund 40,000 full time nurses for the NHS.”
Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, eBay, Adobe and Cisco all say they pay the correct amount of tax in the countries in which they do business. They point out, entirely fairly, that they play by the rules and don’t make them.
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by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:37 am
by Vassenor » Sun May 22, 2022 3:40 am
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:40 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Heloin wrote:You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.
Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.
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by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:41 am
by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:42 am
Celritannia wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.
This is a simplistic view of the English language.
A lot of words that we uses are French, or Frankish mixed with old English, Latin, Brittonic, etc.
So no, we do not speak anglo-saxon English, but the English language, through the conquest of the Norman's, allowed words to be added which we use daily.
So yes, outside influences and powers do alter the ways in which a conquered people speak.
by Aymes » Sun May 22, 2022 3:42 am
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:43 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Celritannia wrote:
This is a simplistic view of the English language.
A lot of words that we uses are French, or Frankish mixed with old English, Latin, Brittonic, etc.
So no, we do not speak anglo-saxon English, but the English language, through the conquest of the Norman's, allowed words to be added which we use daily.
So yes, outside influences and powers do alter the ways in which a conquered people speak.
Let me boil it down for you.
England: speaks English
Ireland: does not speak Irish (outside of some very rural areas)
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by The Nihilistic view » Sun May 22, 2022 3:46 am
Celritannia wrote:The Nihilistic view wrote:
You're completely missing the whole point, you can't tax them fundamentally because the people who control the accounts are not resident in the UK. So your idea is basically go around taking money out of accounts of people that don't live in the UK. Secondly how do you do that when the account isn't even in your regulatory area?
You are inhabiting some odd fantasy land over this. There is reality and then there is whatever is in your head and it appears you think just because you say it that makes it possible and or true.
You can tax UK branches though.
The UK branches of mega corporations still find ways not to pay UK taxes, which is what I am referring to.
Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.
But thw UK Amazon branch pays very little to no UK tax
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/ ... s-21631536
Why should these mega corporations UK branches be able to get away with this?
by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:47 am
Aymes wrote:I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.
If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.
Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.
by The Nihilistic view » Sun May 22, 2022 3:49 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Heloin wrote:You’re not too familiar with Irish history I take it.
Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:49 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Celritannia wrote:
You can tax UK branches though.
The UK branches of mega corporations still find ways not to pay UK taxes, which is what I am referring to.
Perhaps I wasn't clear on that.
But thw UK Amazon branch pays very little to no UK tax
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/ ... s-21631536
Why should these mega corporations UK branches be able to get away with this?
Works with corperations too, hence why I made reference a few days ago to the global corporation tax agreement that has been made. You'll never get anything based on inderviduals when illegal evasion hasn't occurred, for companies you need global agreements. It works both ways, BP for example make money all around the world, Labour want to make a windfall tax (which you presumably support) on that worldwide profit just for the UK. So if you do change the current situation you also have to be aware that profits on UK based companies won't be exclusively yours to tax anymore either.
Amazon specifically I wouldn't expect them to be paying massive amounts of CT at the moment in the UK because they are in the middle of a massive investment/expansion programme in the UK so a lot of the spend will come under capital allowance and deferred tax reducing the CT bill as well as just naturally reducing profits through the expense.
For what it's worth https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... sales-rise
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by Nationalist Northumbria » Sun May 22, 2022 3:50 am
The Nihilistic view wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Do we speak French? No, we speak English. Therefore you cannot talk about 'why?', insinuating that it is the fault of outside rule, without keeping in mind that the same thing happened in England and we still speak (a blighted form of) English.
1/3rd of English is French.
by Vassenor » Sun May 22, 2022 3:51 am
Aymes wrote:I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.
If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.
Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.
by Heloin » Sun May 22, 2022 3:51 am
Aymes wrote:I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.
If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.
Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.
by Celritannia » Sun May 22, 2022 3:54 am
Nationalist Northumbria wrote:Aymes wrote:I just don’t get why this Irish Language Law is necessary.
If any law promoting the English language was suggested in any form, it would be immediately seized upon and ripped apart as another evil, despicable plan by the Conservative Party.
Besides, as I said, demonstrators are being literally bussed in from the Republic of Ireland. Surely it can’t be that popular of a law if the organizers are having to do that.
The "law promoting the English language" equivalent is Ulster Scots, which most Irish republicans dismiss as "not a real language" (which is what some English commentators say about the Scots language (it hasn't even been two years since the Scots Wikipedia debacle)) and ridicule. For those not in the know, the two groups don't get on because when the ancestors of the Protestants were (in many cases forcibly) resettled in Northern Ireland the Irish tried to murder them and ally with the people who had sent them there in the first place. This is usually dressed up with talk of "800 years" or "English colonialism" but this is what it actually comes down to when you look at it objectively.
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