by Tobosarsk » Mon May 16, 2022 6:10 am
by Makko Oko » Mon May 16, 2022 2:09 pm
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by Fachumonn » Mon May 16, 2022 2:12 pm
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Mon May 16, 2022 2:22 pm
Tobosarsk wrote:General Assembly Resolution #3 "Rights and Duties Of WA States" (Category: Political Stability, Strength: Mild) shall be struck null and void.
Understanding the purpose of the resolution is to list out the rights and duties of WA states,
Noting that Article 1 and Article 2 are in conflict with each other, as some nations may have cultures and legal structures which disagree with international law, as they may be a minority culture while international law is determined by a larger demographic that not always represents all,
Also noting that Article 5 is realistically useless as nations would circumvent this with alternate non-war descriptions of conflict such as “Special Military Operation” or “Peacekeeping” (etc.),
Regretting that Article 5 also allows (in the exceptionally rare situation that both sides agree to a war that is considered a war) for post-declaration-of-war withdrawal of agreement which automatically makes the other side a war criminal despite having agreement beforehand,
Further regretting that the aforementioned problem with Article 5 leads to problems in Article 7 which causes unwarranted backlash against nations who were supporting previously consenting nations,
Concerned that Article 10 comes directly into conflict with the goals of the SC, where condemnations and liberations occur on a regular basis,
Thus the GA repeals "Rights and Duties of WA States".
by Desmosthenes and Burke » Mon May 16, 2022 2:37 pm
Tobosarsk wrote:Concerned that Article 10 comes directly into conflict with the goals of the SC, where condemnations and liberations occur on a regular basis,
by WayNeacTia » Mon May 16, 2022 2:40 pm
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Mon May 16, 2022 2:41 pm
Desmosthenes and Burke wrote:Tobosarsk wrote:Concerned that Article 10 comes directly into conflict with the goals of the SC, where condemnations and liberations occur on a regular basis,
Illegal - metagaming. GAS 1 (2016)
Not that any of the other arguments are particularly convincing either.
by Outer Sparta » Mon May 16, 2022 3:16 pm
by Tobosarsk » Mon May 16, 2022 5:28 pm
Makko Oko wrote:"We're not so sure this is completely under the member nation's interests. If this were to be repealed, let's say it succeeded at that, then what stops member nations from committing what this resolution barred? What prevents the WA from overreaching into local nations laws? We're completely opposed to this repeal unless something suitable is suggested for a replacement." - The Makko Oko Ministry Of Diplomatic Affairs, World Assembly Affairs Division
by Quintessence of Dust » Mon May 16, 2022 5:30 pm
by Fachumonn » Mon May 16, 2022 5:31 pm
Quintessence of Dust wrote:Impressively, you've even managed to get the resolution's number wrong.
by WayNeacTia » Mon May 16, 2022 5:36 pm
Quintessence of Dust wrote:Impressively, you've even managed to get the resolution's number wrong.
RiderSyl wrote:You'd really think that defenders would communicate with each other about this. I know they're not a hivemind, but at least some level of PR skill would keep Quebecshire and Quebecshire from publically contradicting eac
wait
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Mon May 16, 2022 6:29 pm
Tobosarsk wrote:Makko Oko wrote:"We're not so sure this is completely under the member nation's interests. If this were to be repealed, let's say it succeeded at that, then what stops member nations from committing what this resolution barred? What prevents the WA from overreaching into local nations laws? We're completely opposed to this repeal unless something suitable is suggested for a replacement." - The Makko Oko Ministry Of Diplomatic Affairs, World Assembly Affairs Division
Unfortunately we're not allowed to amend resolutions. Regrettably, this limitation only results in a repeal without new legislation. But nevertheless it would be good to repeal this age-old resolution that has been causing bureaucratic terror for more than a decade.
- Tobosarsk World Affairs Department
by Comfed » Mon May 16, 2022 7:36 pm
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:Tobosarsk wrote:Unfortunately we're not allowed to amend resolutions. Regrettably, this limitation only results in a repeal without new legislation. But nevertheless it would be good to repeal this age-old resolution that has been causing bureaucratic terror for more than a decade.
- Tobosarsk World Affairs Department
“Like I said in my original dialogue sprawl, it is impossible to make a successful repeal against a resolution passed multiple years ago. This is because by judging something made under former standards using modern standard compares two unequal standards. And by judging two unequal standards, you end up misjudging the targeted object. Just let GAR#2 stay in peace, ambassador.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
by Tobosarsk » Tue May 17, 2022 1:22 am
Comfed wrote:Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“Like I said in my original dialogue sprawl, it is impossible to make a successful repeal against a resolution passed multiple years ago. This is because by judging something made under former standards using modern standard compares two unequal standards. And by judging two unequal standards, you end up misjudging the targeted object. Just let GAR#2 stay in peace, ambassador.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
"That is silly. Bad, old resolutions still affect member states in all their glory. Their bad glory, that is."
by Separatist Peoples » Tue May 17, 2022 6:51 am
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Tue May 17, 2022 12:26 pm
Comfed wrote:Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“Like I said in my original dialogue sprawl, it is impossible to make a successful repeal against a resolution passed multiple years ago. This is because by judging something made under former standards using modern standard compares two unequal standards. And by judging two unequal standards, you end up misjudging the targeted object. Just let GAR#2 stay in peace, ambassador.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
"That is silly. Bad, old resolutions still affect member states in all their glory. Their bad glory, that is."
by Makko Oko » Tue May 17, 2022 12:59 pm
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:Comfed wrote:"That is silly. Bad, old resolutions still affect member states in all their glory. Their bad glory, that is."
“See, this is the problem. By modern standards, this resolution would be bad. But GAR#2 was written under older standards, so how can we know if it was truly bad when we cannot read the minds of former nations in the multiverse regarding it? Thus, we cannot really have an accurate view of GAR#2, so any attempts at repealing it will all inevitably be filled with inaccuracies.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
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by Goobergunchia » Tue May 17, 2022 2:23 pm
by Comfed » Tue May 17, 2022 2:44 pm
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:Comfed wrote:"That is silly. Bad, old resolutions still affect member states in all their glory. Their bad glory, that is."
“See, this is the problem. By modern standards, this resolution would be bad. But GAR#2 was written under older standards, so how can we know if it was truly bad when we cannot read the minds of former nations in the multiverse regarding it? Thus, we cannot really have an accurate view of GAR#2, so any attempts at repealing it will all inevitably be filled with inaccuracies.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
by Tobosarsk » Wed May 18, 2022 12:45 am
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“See, this is the problem. By modern standards, this resolution would be bad. But GAR#2 was written under older standards, so how can we know if it was truly bad when we cannot read the minds of former nations in the multiverse regarding it? Thus, we cannot really have an accurate view of GAR#2, so any attempts at repealing it will all inevitably be filled with inaccuracies.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
Comfed wrote:We can still see the effects of that resolution, though. I would be supportive of a repeal, but this one is not ideal as it ignores many of the biggest problems with GA#2.
by Anne of Cleves in TNP » Wed May 18, 2022 11:59 am
Tobosarsk wrote:Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:“See, this is the problem. By modern standards, this resolution would be bad. But GAR#2 was written under older standards, so how can we know if it was truly bad when we cannot read the minds of former nations in the multiverse regarding it? Thus, we cannot really have an accurate view of GAR#2, so any attempts at repealing it will all inevitably be filled with inaccuracies.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
If it is incompatible with modern standards then it should definitely be repealed. Outdated resolutions only serve to obstruct the progression of society, after all.Comfed wrote:We can still see the effects of that resolution, though. I would be supportive of a repeal, but this one is not ideal as it ignores many of the biggest problems with GA#2.
Would the Representative of Comfed like to add their own ideas to the mix? This repeal attempt is in need of drafting, of course.
- Tobosarsk WA Department
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by Tobosarsk » Wed May 18, 2022 6:08 pm
Anne of Cleves in TNP wrote:Tobosarsk wrote:
If it is incompatible with modern standards then it should definitely be repealed. Outdated resolutions only serve to obstruct the progression of society, after all.
Would the Representative of Comfed like to add their own ideas to the mix? This repeal attempt is in need of drafting, of course.
- Tobosarsk WA Department
“Ambassador, given that statement, are you suggesting that we repeal the first 50 GA resolutions? Doing so would have major consequences to the national and WA governments unless we can all make 50 replacement resolutions in a few days (which would obviously be impossible). Of course, I know that you actually do not mean to repeal all of the first 50 resolutions, but my statement just goes to show that we need to be careful about our choices. After all, you cannot alter history without causing massive chaos, unless replacements are made for said parts of history. For example, if we were to repeal GAR#2 without any replacement resolution, then who will ensure the right to independence and the forbidding of unauthorized intervention? No one. Even if a replacement were to be made, it takes a few days at best for a draft to be finalized by the multiversal community and be submitted as a proposal. Furthermore, it takes some additional weeks for a proposal to be approved and voted on. Think about the damage that aggressors could do within this period of no jurisdiction on independence and refraining of unwanted intervention.”
-Ms. Charlotte Schafer, WA Ambassador for the Clevesian Empire
by Outer Sparta » Wed May 18, 2022 6:38 pm
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