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Zero Battery State?

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Infected Mushroom
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Zero Battery State

Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 09, 2022 6:11 pm

Please consider the following hypothetical:

You can press a single button to bring forth a Zero Battery State. In this new world, everything is the same except when you commit an act of battery (with no valid defense), you will automatically be teleported away to do some jail time in another dimension (with 100 percent human rights protection) based on the proper number of years based on where you live.

No more incidents like Will Smith slapping Chris Rock done on live camera and the state failing to act, no more years of unacceptable domestic abuse in the style of Amber Heard. The system calculates and executes with 100 accuracy and perfection.

The pressing of the button is irrevocable. The system calculates all mitigating factors. If other crimes are tied to the battery the system will try them as well with zero failure rate. Assume that if pressed, world governments will 100 percent recognize its authority and not impose double jeopardy (though you could still face civil lawsuit claims when you come out). The system shall impose and process fines and damages with perfection too. All processed results are publicized to the masses at large.

Do you press the button?

Or are you concerned with the technical fact that there isn’t a trial by jury/judge and there’s no technical appeal? Are the results important or is the process important? What are your views on the laws regarding battery, what they’re supposed to be and how they are in practice enforced?

Please justify.

Absolutely. There should be no hitting and this will be a major deterrence against battery. Since the system convicts with accuracy, then theoretically in my view it’s a pretty clear case if you are result-oriented to press the button. Battery is a serious societal problem.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Mon May 09, 2022 6:12 pm

No.
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Postby Galloism » Mon May 09, 2022 6:14 pm

A great deal of murders would be avoided. It would essentially be impossible to beat people to death.

Now, in the will smith case, it’s so minor that, if it were even prosecuted, he’d probably be subject to probation at most… maybe just a fine in practice.

Not sure how the teleportation system works for that.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon May 09, 2022 6:16 pm

no

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Infected Mushroom
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 09, 2022 6:17 pm

Galloism wrote:A great deal of murders would be avoided. It would essentially be impossible to beat people to death.

Now, in the will smith case, it’s so minor that, if it were even prosecuted, he’d probably be subject to probation at most… maybe just a fine in practice.

Not sure how the teleportation system works for that.


He would be warned and the correct amount deducted and transferred as necessary by The System. The public would know it happened.
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Postby FNU » Mon May 09, 2022 6:18 pm

Nada.
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Postby Hamidiye » Mon May 09, 2022 6:18 pm

Please define "battery". And don't say "Double-A". :D
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Postby Saint Kanye » Mon May 09, 2022 6:23 pm

Hamidiye wrote:Please define "battery". And don't say "Double-A". :D

Lithium ion :rofl:
GONEZO.

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Postby Galloism » Mon May 09, 2022 6:23 pm

How does it work if battery and murder are intertwined.

IE, in order to avoid instant teleportation preventing the deed, you shoot someone execution style while they sleep. That’s certainly battery, as a lesser included offense to murder.

But how will you face trial for murder if you are in extradimensional jail for battery? You have a right to face your accuser.
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon May 09, 2022 6:25 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Galloism wrote:A great deal of murders would be avoided. It would essentially be impossible to beat people to death.

Now, in the will smith case, it’s so minor that, if it were even prosecuted, he’d probably be subject to probation at most… maybe just a fine in practice.

Not sure how the teleportation system works for that.


He would be warned and the correct amount deducted and transferred as necessary by The System. The public would know it happened.

some people deserve to get hit tbh

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Postby Heloin » Mon May 09, 2022 6:26 pm

What button do I press so I can bitch slap anyone at any time for any reason?

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Postby Space Squid » Mon May 09, 2022 6:26 pm

No one would make it through childhood.
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Postby Heloin » Mon May 09, 2022 6:29 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Battery is a serious societal problem.

You can believe this all you want but that isn't going to stop me from throwing car batteries into the ocean.

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Postby Galloism » Mon May 09, 2022 6:30 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Battery is a serious societal problem.

You can believe this all you want but that isn't going to stop me from throwing car batteries into the ocean.

Halt! That’s a salt and battery.
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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Hamidiye » Mon May 09, 2022 6:33 pm

Saint Kanye wrote:
Hamidiye wrote:Please define "battery". And don't say "Double-A". :D

Lithium ion :rofl:


Bah, lead-acid is the only true battery! :rofl:
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Postby Eahland » Mon May 09, 2022 6:34 pm

You're just not going to let that "famous guy slapped another famous guy" thing go, are you?
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon May 09, 2022 6:35 pm

Hamidiye wrote:
Saint Kanye wrote:Lithium ion :rofl:


Bah, lead-acid is the only true battery! :rofl:

alkaline battery fans of the world, unite! you have nothing to lose but your spring clips!

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Postby Space Squid » Mon May 09, 2022 6:35 pm

I'd hit the button, but...
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Postby Archinstinct » Mon May 09, 2022 6:39 pm

Haven't seen a hypothetical from you in a while. Tired of backing Putin's bullshit already?
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Postby Heloin » Mon May 09, 2022 6:41 pm

Galloism wrote:
Heloin wrote:You can believe this all you want but that isn't going to stop me from throwing car batteries into the ocean.

Halt! That’s a salt and battery.

Gentlemen, this is Democracy Manifest! What is the charge? Throwing a battery? A succulent salty battery?

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Postby Soveiniesberg » Mon May 09, 2022 6:42 pm

Hamidiye wrote:
Saint Kanye wrote:Lithium ion :rofl:


Bah, lead-acid is the only true battery! :rofl:


Batteries? I use flywheel storage!
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Postby HISPIDA » Mon May 09, 2022 6:45 pm

Heloin wrote:
Galloism wrote:Halt! That’s a salt and battery.

Gentlemen, this is Democracy Manifest! What is the charge? Throwing a battery? A succulent salty battery?

GET YOUR HAND OFF MY CHARGER! this is the bloke who got me by the charger, people!

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Mon May 09, 2022 6:57 pm

If I was convinced it actually worked as advertised, including the fact that some cases don't require any jail time in the alternate dimension -- sure. Better than having biased courts and a bunch of he said she said.

That's a big "if," though.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 09, 2022 7:20 pm

Galloism wrote:How does it work if battery and murder are intertwined.

IE, in order to avoid instant teleportation preventing the deed, you shoot someone execution style while they sleep. That’s certainly battery, as a lesser included offense to murder.

But how will you face trial for murder if you are in extradimensional jail for battery? You have a right to face your accuser.


I think the idea is that your rights under the law are waived. The results are factually perfect but the process wouldn’t be a “proper courtroom.”

So the correct number of years/fines is reached that would be reached in a lengthy but correctly run courtroom.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon May 09, 2022 7:21 pm

Heloin wrote:What button do I press so I can bitch slap anyone at any time for any reason?


Might make for an interesting hypothetical.

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