After Goob's gentle nudge here...
Goobergunchia wrote:Let's not turn this thread into a discussion best suited for General, mmk?
We get all of this.
Gronsted wrote:The Orwell Society wrote:Look, authoritarianism is necessary for an orderly Society.
The first Step towards a better Humanity is a refinement of Values.
We do not live for our self, we live for the Government, for our Nations, for Humanity.
So stop this and be proud of your Nation. Fight for it against the Forces of Capitalism.
Australiem wrote:Na mate, I want a fascist totalitarian white ethnostate in Australia where everyone is watched and surveyed. I unironically want 1984. And I don't even want to be a leader; I'd rather be a worker.
Rick Perry wrote:Untecna wrote:How is it equivalent to fascism?
Communism hasn't yet been implemented; in fact, all "communist" states are still... states. Communism generally calls for the abolition of the state, and so they are not communist but socialist.
Socialist ideology also does not call for extermination of those deemed "not perfect".
Fascist ideologies and those near them have caused far more death than socialist ones, especially if we count in the deaths of capitalism overall, of which fascism is still a subscriber to.
Socialist states have lasted far longer in total than fascist countries.
Both sides have had shitty leaders. That's where they are equal.
Otherwise, it's not even close.
Both fascism and communism, communist and fascist countries don't give a damn about peoples freedom.
The Aber wrote:There's been clear evidence of people getting killed for their religious beliefs (all past communist regimes), and being sent to political prisons just for the slightest criticisms and paranoia (North Korea). Of men, women, and children having food purposely withheld from them (Lenin's USSR), and sent to a cold hell on Earth to toil until they die (Stalin's USSR). Of people melting silverware just to smelt steel because of a lack of resources, and resorting to cannibalism because their government's plan failed them (Mao's China). The French Commune was pretty much an early prototype having many of the same characteristics, lead by the same type of ungrateful edgelords. Just because the Reds saved us from the Nazis, doesn't mean your kind shouldn't be the exception for answering to any wrongdoings. Get your head out of your ass and quit fantasizing about this utopia. It's never gonna work.
The Aber wrote:Australiem wrote:You have to be special to think communism and fascism are the same. Communism wants the social ownership of all property and the absence of social classes, money, and the state. But they use the state to be able to enact these changes since having a lawless anarchy land would just cause those things to come back anyway. Once power is gone, it creates a power struggle where people will do everything to become a strong leader. So, communism needs the state so there isn't a power struggle and to make sure everyone is equal in their eyes. Once again, I believe this will never work.
But fascism, on the other hand, doesn't give a fuck about any of that. For fascism, it's about the people, but it's about protecting them from themselves in an extremely ordered and structured society. Each person has their own job and they should do it well. Doing anything against the state is a rebellious action and should be dealt with swiftly and accordingly. Fascism doesn't care if everything is equal and the lower class workers get the same accommodation as the higher class people. They believe that it is the survival of the strongest. If you get to a high place in society through strength and power, then you should keep that. Fascism has a very organised and structured culture.
So, if you look at both, you can see that communism is much more about everyone being equal and having no structures from the classes. This means everyone gets treated the same no matter the outcome, except for the state, which enacts the culture in the communist society so the class structure doesn't come back into the society. While fascism is all about structure and making sure that everyone is in their respectful place and doing their job correctly, and that if you have the willpower and you are strong enough to move up the classes, then you can do so, but you shouldn't expect the government to help you.
That, and you won't get killed by the orders of some narcissistic leftish edgelord dictator for something as trivial as scuffing their boot.
The Aber wrote:Independent Cossack Ukraine wrote:While we shouldn't block regions, it does help to know who to avoid. I agree with your views. Fascism, Communism, Socialism, Despotism of all types deserves a one-way ticket to Hell.
Please, for our sake, maybe we should stop. Or else r/communism and all their ilk might come after us. Because they're that sensitive.
The Aber wrote:Rick Perry wrote:Actually communism is basically like fascism. They're like twins but not identical twins.
One is right-leaning, and the other is left-leaning. But everyone seems to kiss the ass of the left-leaning one because they portray themselves as heroes -- again, blowing smoke up their asses.
It's safe to say none of these posts belong in the Gameplay forum, arguably the topic itself does not belong in the Gameplay forum, and it's really annoying to have this RL political nonsense happening and being very active where we prefer to talk about the actual game. Moderation, please, do something.
