Blue Lives Matter - What is the true meaning of the movement

[The Snazzylands]

A christian communist? That sounds extremly contradictory

I mean, the Bible did say love thy neighbour and advocated for a bunch of hospitality, so socialism could work with Christianity if the things about being non-religious is removed.

Depending on the interpretation, the non-religious aspects of Marxism.
I think most religious people can agree that religious institutions have been used to keep peasants in line and strengthen the ruling class. That criticism doesn't necessarily mean religion is wrong. I mean that's basically the basis of Protestantism, right?

[GuessTheAltAccount]

But when shit is burning down people tend to go “oh wow that’s not good” and then look into why things are burning. Is rioting good?

And what, if anything, makes you think the conclusion most people reach is "okay let's put ourselves on the same side of this issue as people who burn down buildings that had nothing to do with what they were protesting" and not, "oh my God, these people are burning down buildings that had nothing to do with what they were protesting? They make me sick! Why should I trust the people doing something like this, let alone trust their worldview?" Have you noticed that even after multiple riots over police brutality, the problem still exists?

Even if it were the former... do the ends justify the means?

Show me where I said this.

When you kept complaining about protestors destroying businesses that had nothing to do with what was being protested.

That would still make the message easy to notice but wouldn't involve destroying businesses that had nothing to do with what they were protesting.

It doesn't matter what the alternative is. There is no excuse for rioting more generally, but especially not for destroying businesses that had nothing to do with what one was protesting.

Anyone with eyes and good reading comprehension can tell the difference between condemning rioting and claiming EVERYONE who did this was part of the protest. The people in this thread were defending rioting, in and of itself, by the nature of what they were protesting, which would be a pointless defense to make of it except when applied to rioting done by the protesters.

But thanks for reminding me to take your characterizations of what others say with a grain of salt.

Well, for starters they could've jumped in front of live cameras with the names of studies demonstrating racial biases in policing. That would still make the message easy to notice but wouldn't involve destroying businesses that had nothing to do with what they were protesting.

I don't know whether to find more absurd that doing the latter is effective or to find dangerous the precedent it would set if it were.

The bourgeoise would never ever have this happen, especially in America. People are only allowed to complain about 3 things in liberal media: "Do we have enough Black Billionaires", "Do we have enough Female Billionaires", and "Do we have enough Gay Billionaires". Actual injustices and legitimate grievances with the State get thrown aside because it would expose the truth of liberal democracies. The only way to get people talking about racial prejudice and police brutality rates amongst the African-American population is by actually doing something that the bourgeoise elite wouldn't approve of.

Surely someone with the People's Republic of China's flag as their pfp would get this

I don't put that flag there to condone anything they've done. I put it there to remind people I've lived there for months on end. That I've seen with my own eyes at least somewhat of a glimpse of how far short it falls of communist ideals, (though others have seen much, much more, to be fair) but also that having been gainfully employed thousands of kilometres from home when everyone from feminists to advocates of leniency on young offenders mistook me for a basement-dweller reflects rather poorly on their judgment.

"The bourgeoise" can only to so much. People jump in front of live cameras to say FHRITP all the time. Imagine how much more they could achieve if they actually had something of substance to say. :/

[Vassenor]

Anyone with eyes and good reading comprehension can tell the difference between condemning rioting and claiming EVERYONE who did this was part of the protest. The people in this thread were defending rioting, in and of itself, by the nature of what they were protesting, which would be a pointless defense to make of it except when applied to rioting done by the protesters.

But thanks for reminding me to take your characterizations of what others say with a grain of salt.

So who are you claiming was doing the rioting then?

[Mackiland]

Never heard of blue lives. Which means they don't matter. Otherwise I would have known.

[GuessTheAltAccount]

Anyone with eyes and good reading comprehension can tell the difference between condemning rioting and claiming EVERYONE who did this was part of the protest. The people in this thread were defending rioting, in and of itself, by the nature of what they were protesting, which would be a pointless defense to make of it except when applied to rioting done by the protesters.

But thanks for reminding me to take your characterizations of what others say with a grain of salt.

So who are you claiming was doing the rioting then?

I don't claim to know who was doing the rioting. There's a myriad of incentives for bias on all sides. If I had to guess, I'd assume it's a mix of people who are genuinely trying to draw attention to their cause, people who are angry enough not to think it through, and people who see a protest in their neighbourhood and want to use it as an excuse to cause mayhem.

That said, it didn't matter who I was claiming was doing the rioting. What mattered was who those defending the rioting say was doing the rioting. The people defending it are claiming it was done to draw attention to police brutality and make it harder to ignore. That kind of constitutes implying the protesters are the ones doing the rioting.

So isn't your real qualm with them?

[USS Monitor]

Never heard of blue lives. Which means they don't matter. Otherwise I would have known.

There are lots of living things that are blue, like blue jays and blueberries and those butterflies with the shiny blue wings. Valuable biodiversity would be lost if they were all wiped out.

[Harjanika]

In the UK, it definitely changed meaning. While it wasn't called "Blue Lives Matter", there was, and still kind of is, a movement for more police safety (which isn't necessary bad). However, overtime we have seen how British Police have been racist and sexist (Sarah Everard, Child Q just to name a few) as well as events from the USA. And yet, no real police reform has really happened in the UK.

TD;LR : In the UK, it kind changed meaning due to events in the UK and USA. It used to be for more police safety, now it's used by racists

[Vassenor]

In the UK, it definitely changed meaning. While it wasn't called "Blue Lives Matter", there was, and still kind of is, a movement for more police safety (which isn't necessary bad). However, overtime we have seen how British Police have been racist and sexist (Sarah Everard, Child Q just to name a few) as well as events from the USA. And yet, no real police reform has really happened in the UK.

TD;LR : In the UK, it kind changed meaning due to events in the UK and USA. It used to be for more police safety, now it's used by racists

Stephen Lawrence. Brixton.

[Perikuresu]

The culture war bullshit was always there. It may have gotten worse or more dominant, but the seeds of the problem were there from the beginning.

I've heard people say that if George Carlin was still alive, he'd be ranting on about the same shit today as he did in the 1970s, so nothing really changed except for the events that are relevant at the time

[Harjanika]

In the UK, it definitely changed meaning. While it wasn't called "Blue Lives Matter", there was, and still kind of is, a movement for more police safety (which isn't necessary bad). However, overtime we have seen how British Police have been racist and sexist (Sarah Everard, Child Q just to name a few) as well as events from the USA. And yet, no real police reform has really happened in the UK.

TD;LR : In the UK, it kind changed meaning due to events in the UK and USA. It used to be for more police safety, now it's used by racists

Stephen Lawrence. Brixton.

True, but British media doesn't perceive it in that way. That case was barely brought up in the BLM movements of 2020. Police violence cases are brought up more than Racism, so that would mean that the whole case of Police Safety would have changed in the UK.

[Malphe II]

In the UK, it definitely changed meaning. While it wasn't called "Blue Lives Matter", there was, and still kind of is, a movement for more police safety (which isn't necessary bad). However, overtime we have seen how British Police have been racist and sexist (Sarah Everard, Child Q just to name a few) as well as events from the USA. And yet, no real police reform has really happened in the UK.

TD;LR : In the UK, it kind changed meaning due to events in the UK and USA. It used to be for more police safety, now it's used by racists

I've not seen it used here, I'm lowkey not sure we share America's religious veneration for law enforcement period? The tone of the discussion I've seen feels very different.

[Harjanika]

Stephen Lawrence. Brixton.

True, but British media doesn't perceive it in that way. That case was barely brought up in the BLM movements of 2020. Police violence cases are brought up more than Racism, so that would mean that the whole case of Police Safety would have changed in the UK.

Basically, British Media doesn't care about racial violence.

[Harjanika]

In the UK, it definitely changed meaning. While it wasn't called "Blue Lives Matter", there was, and still kind of is, a movement for more police safety (which isn't necessary bad). However, overtime we have seen how British Police have been racist and sexist (Sarah Everard, Child Q just to name a few) as well as events from the USA. And yet, no real police reform has really happened in the UK.

TD;LR : In the UK, it kind changed meaning due to events in the UK and USA. It used to be for more police safety, now it's used by racists

I've not seen it used here, I'm lowkey not sure we share America's religious veneration for law enforcement period? The tone of the discussion I've seen feels very different.

True, but American influence is everywhere in the UK.

[Rick Perry]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not any more other race) I like them.

[Vassenor]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not as much as any other race) I like them.

If all lives matter equally maybe you should be asking Black people why they feel like theirs don't.

[Shilshka]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not as much as any other race) I like them.

It’s probably much more complex than this, but basically the movement is saying that people that hurt or kill police should be sentenced for hate crimes. So, probably not affiliated with the other BLM.

[Giovenith]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not as much as any other race) I like them.

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[Rick Perry]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not as much as any other race) I like them.

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Oh. I see what I did wrong I'll change it to what I ment.

[Necroghastia]

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Oh. I see what I did wrong I'll change it to what I ment.

So if you agree that black lives matter, why do you have such a problem with people saying so, to the point that you agree with movements that exist simply to silence and talk over them?

[Thepeopl]

Just a friendly reminder.
Guns kill.

https://www.parool.nl/nieuws/overzicht- ... ~b84f1167/

Dutch "blue lives lost".
15 since 1977.

https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/nieuws/2021/39 ... n-vermoord

Per year, we lost 125 ppl on average by homicides/ violence. Ppl, because a number of victims were killed kn The Netherlands but aren't Dutch.

So. If blue lives matter, you'd abolish civil gun ownership.

Because we have 0.64 victims per 100.000 inhabitants per year. USA has 7.4 victims per 100.000 inhabitants per year.

[Islamic Essarn]

I'm not an American, but I've heard that these "_____ Lives Matter" movements are quite popular in your country. Quick question, why not "All Lives Matter"? Why does it have to be strictly be Asian or Black? Don't you understand that this type of stuff only further divides your country both racially and politically?

Because historically and presently black and brown lives have not been treated as if they matter as much as white lives so in order to change that we need to fight for black and brown lives.

[The Rich Port]

Oh. I see what I did wrong I'll change it to what I ment.

So if you agree that black lives matter, why do you have such a problem with people saying so, to the point that you agree with movements that exist simply to silence and talk over them?

That accidental racism tho oof XDDDDDDDD

Freudian slip?

[Islamic Essarn]

Too be clear Blue Lives Matter is racist.

[Islamic Essarn]

If it isn't affiliated with Black Lives Matter (they do matter just not any more other race) I like them.

I’m not sure you really understand what Black Lives Matter is. It’s not a movement trying to make black lives matter more then any other lives it’s trying to make black lives matter matter the same as white lives, since historically and presently black lives haven’t been treated like they matter.

[Islamic Essarn]

Blue Lives Matter has always been about trying to disrupt Black Lives Matter.

Why do you need to disrupt black lives matter it’s just trying to make black lives matter the same as white lives.