Ukrainian War Thread III: The Horrors

[Novus America]

see, ukraine is most definitely not a trap, and it would play into the kremlin's contention that the us/eu/nato set them up to frame this war that way

Fair, that is true.
Ukraine is not a trap. It is not a perfect metaphor, but to illustrate that sometimes blindly attacking something in anger is not the best idea. Also although in the story it was set up as a trap, there was no need to attack it in the first place. The point is it is only a “threat” if you attack it. Its power to trap you only comes from your attacks on it.

I was think actually more about how it applies to Russian’s deranged crusade against NATO and the West and general. The more Russia tries to fight NATO and the West, the stronger they get, while if it simply stopped attacking, they would ironically become weaker as a result.

[Gig em Aggies]

see, ukraine is most definitely not a trap, and it would play into the kremlin's contention that the us/eu/nato set them up to frame this war that way

Fair, that is true.
Ukraine is not a trap. It is not a perfect metaphor, but to illustrate that sometimes blindly attacking something in anger is not the best idea. Also although in the story it was set up as a trap, there was no need to attack it in the first place. The point is it is only a “threat” if you attack it. Its power to trap you only comes from your attacks on it.

I was think actually more about how it applies to Russian’s deranged crusade against NATO and the West and general. The more Russia tries to fight NATO and the West, the stronger they get, while if it simply stopped attacking, they would ironically become weaker as a result.

I think a more appropriate application is that Ukraine is like a pit of quicksand or a silo full of corn, the more you struggle to try and get out the deeper you get the harder it is to get out.

[Dtn]

It's also why I called these administrations stupid

Ukrainian counterattacks near Kherson continues.

Give it two or three weeks and the Russians may lose all territory west of the Dnieper at this rate.

A huge convoy is on its way to supply Russian troops in Izyum

Some people say the convoy has been destroyed but I will remain skeptical until I've seen visual confirmation.

Remember when neocons were generally agreed to be stupid and venal?

ISW is run by Kimberly Kagan, wife of Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute. His brother Robert co-founded Project for the New American Century, and is (of course) married to Victoria Nuland. Probably doesn't even have to be mentioned they get most of their funding from companies like Raytheon and whatever DynCorp is now.

They're probably not as bad as the Atlantic Council though.

[Tigamore]

Ukraine's MoD claims 19,000 or so Russian KIA's and a couple weeks ago NATO said it was about 15,000 KIA on the Russian side so 20ish is pretty realistic at this point tbh.

At some point it would be more cost effective to just literally build a giant meat grinder to feed young men into.

Or build a railway gun and make soldiers drive it into ukraine

[Rusozak]

At some point it would be more cost effective to just literally build a giant meat grinder to feed young men into.

Or build a railway gun and make soldiers drive it into ukraine

Until a tractor gets a hold of it.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Or build a railway gun and make soldiers drive it into ukraine

Until a tractor gets a hold of it.

*offroading with a railway-gun*

Extreme tractor-pull edition.

Cue the banjo music and you;ve got yourself the next best thing since the Dukes of Hazard.

[Picairn]

Remember when neocons were generally agreed to be stupid and venal?

ISW is run by Kimberly Kagan, wife of Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute. His brother Robert co-founded Project for the New American Century, and is (of course) married to Victoria Nuland. Probably doesn't even have to be mentioned they get most of their funding from companies like Raytheon and whatever DynCorp is now.

They're probably not as bad as the Atlantic Council though.

Neocons are warhawks and they're bad, but I don't get why you'd bring the ISW's political alignment up in relation to my post. I was posting daily updates, not endorsing the neocons or whatever.

[Tigamore]

Or build a railway gun and make soldiers drive it into ukraine

Until a tractor gets a hold of it.

They will be able to destory as many military bases as they need until the tractor comes.

Until a tractor gets a hold of it.

*offroading with a railway-gun*

Extreme tractor-pull edition.

Cue the banjo music and you;ve got yourself the next best thing since the Dukes of Hazard.

Best idea in 2022

[El Lazaro]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

[Tigamore]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

some decisions leagues better than what theyve done soo far will be required

[The Two Jerseys]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

Kadyrov: "I assure you: not one step will be taken back."

Morgan Freeman: "Many steps back, in fact, had already been taken."

[Dtn]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

Obviously he's lying?

People make stuff up or otherwise manipulate information to further their agenda, this is why you should critically analyze sources.

This is a war, nobody is interested in keeping you informed for your edification.

[The Lone Alliance]

Ukraine's MoD claims 19,000 or so Russian KIA's and a couple weeks ago NATO said it was about 15,000 KIA on the Russian side so 20ish is pretty realistic at this point tbh.

At some point it would be more cost effective to just literally build a giant meat grinder to feed young men into.

I'm reminded of some political cartoon coming out of this war of Russian women throwing their babies into a mobile crematorium at Putin's orders and then just shrugging their shoulders as they walk away. Really seems to fit how little Russia seems to care about their own lives.

Here it is.

[Diarcesia]

It's also why I called these administrations stupid

Ukrainian counterattacks near Kherson continues.

Give it two or three weeks and the Russians may lose all territory west of the Dnieper at this rate.

A huge convoy is on its way to supply Russian troops in Izyum

Some people say the convoy has been destroyed but I will remain skeptical until I've seen visual confirmation.

Remember when neocons were generally agreed to be stupid and venal?

ISW is run by Kimberly Kagan, wife of Frederick Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute. His brother Robert co-founded Project for the New American Century, and is (of course) married to Victoria Nuland. Probably doesn't even have to be mentioned they get most of their funding from companies like Raytheon and whatever DynCorp is now.

They're probably not as bad as the Atlantic Council though.

That sounds a lot like the Enclave in RL.

[Utquiagvik]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

Obviously he's lying?

People make stuff up or otherwise manipulate information to further their agenda, this is why you should critically analyze sources.

This is a war, nobody is interested in keeping you informed for your edification.

He is definitely lying. In fact, Russia already lost in Kyiv.

[El Lazaro]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

Obviously he's lying?

People make stuff up or otherwise manipulate information to further their agenda, this is why you should critically analyze sources.

This is a war, nobody is interested in keeping you informed for your edification.[/‎quote]
The joke ————->
………………Your head

Not sure how I fucked up the quotes so badly, but I’m too lazy to fix this one

[Eydishshtat]

When Zelenskyy said Ukraine would be a "new Israel", that statement has deeper meaning that most people realize. Ukraine is where millions of Jews had formerly called home while under the oppression of the Tsars and Cossacks.

[Dtn]

The joke ————->
………………Your head

Not sure how I fucked up the quotes so badly, but I’m too lazy to fix this one

The joke kind of falls flat (which is below my head) because I'm well aware of the weaknesses of the Russian army - why I noted they probably wouldn't be able to take Kyiv immediately after the war started.

I'm also aware the the ISW analysis depends mainly on Ukrainian military sources, which are inherently untrustworthy because they're engaged in an intense information warfare campaign.

The best situation reports and maps are probably put out by the French MoD.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/nation ... -rcna23014

"It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine."

Dtn, weeks ago: "Most likely the chemical weapon posturing on both sides is just what they call pre-bunking."

edit: here it comes

[Thermodolia]

Kadyrov, Dtn: Russia will win in Kyiv

Obviously he's lying?

People make stuff up or otherwise manipulate information to further their agenda, this is why you should critically analyze sources.

This is a war, nobody is interested in keeping you informed for your edification.

Or Kadyrov believes Russian propaganda too much. Sometimes bullshiters will believe their own bullshit

[Tigamore]

When Zelenskyy said Ukraine would be a "new Israel", that statement has deeper meaning that most people realize. Ukraine is where millions of Jews had formerly called home while under the oppression of the Tsars and Cossacks.

Thats what happens when your Khagante is conquered by russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

[Bear Stearns]

When Zelenskyy said Ukraine would be a "new Israel", that statement has deeper meaning that most people realize. Ukraine is where millions of Jews had formerly called home while under the oppression of the Tsars and Cossacks.

Thats what happens when your Khagante is conquered by russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

woke

[Space Squid]

When Zelenskyy said Ukraine would be a "new Israel", that statement has deeper meaning that most people realize. Ukraine is where millions of Jews had formerly called home while under the oppression of the Tsars and Cossacks.

Thats what happens when your Khagante is conquered by russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

The degree to which the Khazars were ever really Jewish is a subject of much skepticism, but they weren't conquered by Russia in either case.

[Costa Fierro]

The New Zealand Defence Forces will deploy a C-130H Hercules and 50 personnel to Germany to help provide distribution and logistics for aid to Ukraine. In addition, another $13 million will be donated, including $7.5 million for weapons and ammunition, taking New Zealand's contribution to $30 million.

[South Raidland]

Thats what happens when your Khagante is conquered by russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

The degree to which the Khazars were ever really Jewish is a subject of much skepticism, but they weren't conquered by Russia in either case.

The Kyivian Rus is Pretty Russian if you ask me.

[Rusozak]

The degree to which the Khazars were ever really Jewish is a subject of much skepticism, but they weren't conquered by Russia in either case.

The Kyivian Rus is Pretty Russian if you ask me.

That's not really a description that can be made. It's like saying the pre-Merovingian Franks are French.