[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:25 pm

Swaklaton wrote:
New Astri wrote:
i think what comes off as strange to me about your response then is that you emphasized your lack of knowledge about the founder's intentions in a way that sort of implied innocence, when the screenshots/evidence discussed earlier in this thread show very clearly how obviously problematic your founder's beliefs were/are. it feels like there's a lack of accountability for the precedent your region has set for itself in terms of which embassies are acceptable.

Because I was not at all aware. I have not read this thread extensively. I’ve been focused on trying to expel the raiders within the region.

My entire delegacy has been spent trying to save the region from raiders.

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:27 pm

Swaklaton wrote:
New Astri wrote:
i think what comes off as strange to me about your response then is that you emphasized your lack of knowledge about the founder's intentions in a way that sort of implied innocence, when the screenshots/evidence discussed earlier in this thread show very clearly how obviously problematic your founder's beliefs were/are. it feels like there's a lack of accountability for the precedent your region has set for itself in terms of which embassies are acceptable.

Because I was not at all aware. I have not read this thread extensively. I’ve been focused on trying to expel the raiders within the region.

and i mean...that's fine, it makes sense to not be aware, but i'd maybe suggest not trying to make any official explanatory statements until you ARE able to collect and consider all of the facts about the situation? that's not to say you can't talk at all if you have something to say, but i think you might be able to express what you mean more clearly and make more confident decisions if you're holding off until the stress of handling your region is over.

by **The Universe World** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:28 pm

New Astri wrote:
Swaklaton wrote:
Because I was not at all aware. I have not read this thread extensively. I’ve been focused on trying to expel the raiders within the region.

and i mean...that's fine, it makes sense to not be aware, but i'd maybe suggest not trying to make any official explanatory statements until you ARE able to collect and consider all of the facts about the situation? that's not to say you can't talk at all if you have something to say, but i think you might be able to express what you mean more clearly and make more confident decisions if you're holding off until the stress of handling your region is over.

That sounds like a good truce. It has my support.

by **WayNeacTia** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:29 pm

Soooo much bullshit over a nothing, embassy collector region. If it was a novel idea, like being the first embassy spammer, I could see some amusement in protecting it. Not that we really need to protect it in the first place as I am quite sure a password is quite a ways off. If this is being pursued in the name of anti fascism, it seems quite odd that’s none of the members of those major organizations don’t seem to be involved.

What I see, is a liberation for the sake of a liberation. A waste of time which achieves nothing, and isn’t even entertaining……

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:29 pm

New Astri wrote:
Swaklaton wrote:
Because I was not at all aware. I have not read this thread extensively. I’ve been focused on trying to expel the raiders within the region.

and i mean...that's fine, it makes sense to not be aware, but i'd maybe suggest not trying to make any official explanatory statements until you ARE able to collect and consider all of the facts about the situation? that's not to say you can't talk at all if you have something to say, but i think you might be able to express what you mean more clearly and make more confident decisions if you're holding off until the stress of handling your region is over.

This is fair enough. At the moment, I’m just trying to do what I can with what I have. I’d like to thank all the defenders involved, and the courageous souls who proposed the SC resolution. I couldn’t have done anything without your help

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:31 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Soooo much bullshit over a nothing, embassy collector region. If it was a novel idea, like being the first embassy spammer, I could see some amusement in protecting it. Not that we really need to protect it in the first place as I am quite sure a password is quite a ways off. If this is being pursued in the name of anti fascism, it seems quite odd that’s none of the members of those major organizations don’t seem to be involved.

What I see, is a liberation for the sake of a liberation. A waste of time which achieves nothing, and isn’t even entertaining……

the initial raid was not based on anti-fascism, this is just something people found out afterwards that has complicated the situation. (tcb is piling for anti-fa reasons, but hey, that's just us.)

by **WayNeacTia** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:33 pm

New Astri wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Soooo much bullshit over a nothing, embassy collector region. If it was a novel idea, like being the first embassy spammer, I could see some amusement in protecting it. Not that we really need to protect it in the first place as I am quite sure a password is quite a ways off. If this is being pursued in the name of anti fascism, it seems quite odd that’s none of the members of those major organizations don’t seem to be involved.

What I see, is a liberation for the sake of a liberation. A waste of time which achieves nothing, and isn’t even entertaining……

the initial raid was not based on anti-fascism, this is just something people found out afterwards that has complicated the situation. (tcb is piling for anti-fa reasons, but hey, that's just us.)

It isn’t an attempt to piss on Ven’s parade then?

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:34 pm

To make a final point in summary, having gathered what I’ve gathered, I am in wholehearted condemnation of the founder’s actions. Most of my delegacy has been spent warding away raiders, and in that stress I allowed this to seep through the cracks. This is not what EmbassyRegionia stands for, nor is it what I stand for. I sincerely wish this has not irreparably tainted the image of the region, for the penultimate goal was to bring people together, not spread them further apart.

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:37 pm

Swaklaton wrote:To make a final point in summary, having gathered what I’ve gathered, I am in wholehearted condemnation of the founder’s actions. Most of my delegacy has been spent warding away raiders, and in that stress I allowed this to seep through the cracks. This is not what EmbassyRegionia stands for, nor is it what I stand for. I sincerely wish this has not irreparably tainted the image of the region, for the penultimate goal was to bring people together, not spread them further apart.

this ultimately isn't like Theee worst thing that could have happened to your image. there is a perfectly good chance to rehabilitate and become successful again no matter what happens with the raid. i'd honestly just suggest setting some new policies for embassy standards as soon as you're able to (i.e no fascists) and considering it a new start.

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:39 pm

New Astri wrote:
Swaklaton wrote:To make a final point in summary, having gathered what I’ve gathered, I am in wholehearted condemnation of the founder’s actions. Most of my delegacy has been spent warding away raiders, and in that stress I allowed this to seep through the cracks. This is not what EmbassyRegionia stands for, nor is it what I stand for. I sincerely wish this has not irreparably tainted the image of the region, for the penultimate goal was to bring people together, not spread them further apart.

this ultimately isn't like Theee worst thing that could have happened to your image. there is a perfectly good chance to rehabilitate and become successful again no matter what happens with the raid. i'd honestly just suggest setting some new policies for embassy standards as soon as you're able to (i.e no fascists) and considering it a new start.

Hopefully soon.

by **The Universe World** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:43 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
New Astri wrote:
the initial raid was not based on anti-fascism, this is just something people found out afterwards that has complicated the situation. (tcb is piling for anti-fa reasons, but hey, that's just us.)

It isn’t an attempt to piss on Ven’s parade then?

Nope!

by **Apatosaurus II** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:49 pm

Wayneactia wrote:Soooo much bullshit over a nothing, embassy collector region. If it was a novel idea, like being the first embassy spammer, I could see some amusement in protecting it. Not that we really need to protect it in the first place as I am quite sure a password is quite a ways off. If this is being pursued in the name of anti fascism, it seems quite odd that’s none of the members of those major organizations don’t seem to be involved.

What I see, is a liberation for the sake of a liberation. A waste of time which achieves nothing, and isn’t even entertaining……

The horror, people are trying to protect an innocent region being destroyed, and a former defender supports its destruction!

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:54 pm

i will say 'liberation for the sake of a liberation' is like. yeah that's what liberations are for, to liberate regions

by **Outer Sparta** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:54 pm

Swaklaton wrote:To make a final point in summary, having gathered what I’ve gathered, I am in wholehearted condemnation of the founder’s actions. Most of my delegacy has been spent warding away raiders, and in that stress I allowed this to seep through the cracks. This is not what EmbassyRegionia stands for, nor is it what I stand for. I sincerely wish this has not irreparably tainted the image of the region, for the penultimate goal was to bring people together, not spread them further apart.

With the founder out of the way, maybe (if you guys ward off the raid) somebody can step up to the plate and change how the region operates. Look at it as a fresh start after the storm.

by **The Universe World** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:57 pm

New Astri wrote:i will say 'liberation for the sake of a liberation' is like. yeah that's what liberations are for, to liberate regions

And again, this region had a regional government and a vibrant community.

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:00 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Swaklaton wrote:To make a final point in summary, having gathered what I’ve gathered, I am in wholehearted condemnation of the founder’s actions. Most of my delegacy has been spent warding away raiders, and in that stress I allowed this to seep through the cracks. This is not what EmbassyRegionia stands for, nor is it what I stand for. I sincerely wish this has not irreparably tainted the image of the region, for the penultimate goal was to bring people together, not spread them further apart.

With the founder out of the way, maybe (if you guys ward off the raid) somebody can step up to the plate and change how the region operates. Look at it as a fresh start after the storm.

Certainly. Should the defenders succeed (I have the upmost confidence in which) there will be immediate action towards better regulation of proposals, and making sure the founder contains no lasting imprint

by **WayNeacTia** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:03 pm

Apatosaurus II wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Soooo much bullshit over a nothing, embassy collector region. If it was a novel idea, like being the first embassy spammer, I could see some amusement in protecting it. Not that we really need to protect it in the first place as I am quite sure a password is quite a ways off. If this is being pursued in the name of anti fascism, it seems quite odd that’s none of the members of those major organizations don’t seem to be involved.

What I see, is a liberation for the sake of a liberation. A waste of time which achieves nothing, and isn’t even entertaining……

The horror, people are trying to protect an innocent region being destroyed, and a former defender supports its destruction!

Innocent regions don’t have fascist embassies, nor do their founders get deleted. If that is what you call “innocent”, I would really hate to hear your definition of “problem”…..

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:03 pm

I would also like to publicly state I have been telegrammed multiple times by a new team the founder has assembled, to supposedly found a new region. I recommend keeping close tabs, as while I may have refused, there may be others who have joined.

by **Tigamore** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:04 pm

Support 100,000%

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:06 pm

Swaklaton wrote:I would also like to publicly state I have been telegrammed multiple times by a new team the founder has assembled, to supposedly found a new region. I recommend keeping close tabs, as while I may have refused, there may be others who have joined.

The region The Great Storm, and the region the founder created for himself after fleeing, are the parties involved. I strongly recommend regions reject embassy offers from either, as I doubt he has any intention of changing his ideals.

by **Apatosaurus II** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:08 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Apatosaurus II wrote:The horror, people are trying to protect an innocent region being destroyed, and a former defender supports its destruction!

Innocent regions ~~don’t have fascist embassies~~ are not fascist-aligned (which EmbassyRegonia is not), ~~nor do their founders get deleted~~. If that is what you call “innocent”, I would really hate to hear your definition of “problem”…..

Fixed that for you

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:14 pm

Wayneactia wrote:
Apatosaurus II wrote:The horror, people are trying to protect an innocent region being destroyed, and a former defender supports its destruction!

Innocent regions don’t have fascist embassies, nor do their founders get deleted. If that is what you call “innocent”, I would really hate to hear your definition of “problem”…..

this is technically accurate, but i think overall misleading. yes, having fascist embassies is bad, and yes, the founder's attempts to redefine fascism to exclude neonazism and other typical alt-right groups to justify their fascist embassies was bad. that's absolutely condemnable and the region needs to fix that ASAP. (using 'region' loosely here since it's currently occupied--i mean the people with government power over their people.) but the delegate himself is condemning the founder's behavior, and the founder was deated for WA-related reasons (factcheck me if i'm wrong on this), not ooc-problematic ones. from what i hear many of the natives involved were oblivious and there's no point in painting the entire region as a villain for the subtle mistakes of just their founder. give 'em a chance to change and a helping point in the right direction, it's only fair.

by **Swaklaton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:19 pm

New Astri wrote:
Wayneactia wrote:Innocent regions don’t have fascist embassies, nor do their founders get deleted. If that is what you call “innocent”, I would really hate to hear your definition of “problem”…..

this is technically accurate, but i think overall misleading. yes, having fascist embassies is bad, and yes, the founder's attempts to redefine fascism to exclude neonazism and other typical alt-right groups to justify their fascist embassies was bad. that's absolutely condemnable and the region needs to fix that ASAP. (using 'region' loosely here since it's currently occupied--i mean the people with government power over their people.) but the delegate himself is condemning the founder's behavior, and the founder was deated for WA-related reasons (factcheck me if i'm wrong on this), not ooc-problematic ones. from what i hear many of the natives involved were oblivious and there's no point in painting the entire region as a villain for the subtle mistakes of just their founder. give 'em a chance to change and a helping point in the right direction, it's only fair.

That’s what we were told, but as of recent events, he may well have been lying.

by **New Astri** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:29 pm

Swaklaton wrote:
New Astri wrote:
this is technically accurate, but i think overall misleading. yes, having fascist embassies is bad, and yes, the founder's attempts to redefine fascism to exclude neonazism and other typical alt-right groups to justify their fascist embassies was bad. that's absolutely condemnable and the region needs to fix that ASAP. (using 'region' loosely here since it's currently occupied--i mean the people with government power over their people.) but the delegate himself is condemning the founder's behavior, and the founder was deated for WA-related reasons (factcheck me if i'm wrong on this), not ooc-problematic ones. from what i hear many of the natives involved were oblivious and there's no point in painting the entire region as a villain for the subtle mistakes of just their founder. give 'em a chance to change and a helping point in the right direction, it's only fair.

That’s what we were told, but as of recent events, he may well have been lying.

shit, that's a good point. thank you for considering that and bringing it up. i feel a lot more confident about the future of embassyregionia knowing that you are legitimately looking at this from a perspective that isn't biased towards your founder. hopefully it was wa-related, but i suppose at this point i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't.

by **Tinhampton** » Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:52 pm

What's the bloody point, anyway? A bunch of defenders swooped in to give Devi the delegacy a few minutes ago - at the rate this is going I wouldn't say a password's happening any time soon, never mind a secret one.

Let's say that the population gets down to 250, the raider delegate maintains a constant-ish 115 endorsements, and all the while defenders continue to launch a new raider into the delegacy every day - thus preventing any Regional Officers from receiving Border Control authorities - which I personally believe, based solely on my own suspicions, is likely to happen. Then the WAD would need three weeks for a visible password and six weeks for an invisible one, never mind the week or so it'll take to burn the house down TMC-style. And I'm assuming that the population will remain constant and no influence will be spent on banning defenders, a state of affairs which will Not happen. If you think a password's coming before Easter, I have a beautiful mile-long suspension bridge in Burkina Faso that I'm willing to flog off to the lowest bidder.

[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

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