leftist bias of issues results

[AppleTime]

And yes that is what I noticed, that most issues have a leftist / liberal view on things, and aren't very objective and neutral with the results. For example, I never met an issue where a war was won, but only diplomatic and cute solutions give a positive outcome. Do I need to write some funny issues where nations are allowed to actually use successfully the army they invest in ? Or it is just a fantasy that this game cannot satisfy?....

[Fachumonn]

Liberal does not equal leftism. In fact, many argue that the issues are very different from real leftist views, which I agree with. Get over this.

[AppleTime]

Liberal does not equal leftism. In fact, many argue that the issues are very different from real leftist views, which I agree with. Get over this.

Yea but, you didn't see my main point. It is that most issues favour a liberal view, while more conservative or authoritarian approaches get worse results and outcomes out of issues, while those could make a positive outcome too.

[Golgothastan]

Do I need to write some funny issues

Yes, please do.

[Fachumonn]

Liberal does not equal leftism. In fact, many argue that the issues are very different from real leftist views, which I agree with. Get over this.

Yea but, you didn't see my main point. It is that most issues favour a liberal view, while more conservative or authoritarian approaches get worse results and outcomes out of issues, while those could make a positive outcome too.

How? Sounds like a problem, not the game. The mods try their best, you know.

[New England and New Wales]

Liberal does not equal leftism. In fact, many argue that the issues are very different from real leftist views, which I agree with. Get over this.

Yea but, you didn't see my main point. It is that most issues favour a liberal view, while more conservative or authoritarian approaches get worse results and outcomes out of issues, while those could make a positive outcome too.

I don’t think you understand.

“Positive” is a relative term. If you do an authoritarian outcome it lowers stats, but that doesn’t mean bad if you intend to be an authoritarian state.

[Arpasia]

I usually ignore NS stats.

[Deacarsia]

I agree.

[New England and New Wales]

I usually ignore NS stats.

Yeah, I was just telling them.

[Rick Perry]

Left anything is bad.

[Vleerian]

And yes that is what I noticed, that most issues have a leftist / liberal view on things, and aren't very objective and neutral with the results. For example, I never met an issue where a war was won, but only diplomatic and cute solutions give a positive outcome. Do I need to write some funny issues where nations are allowed to actually use successfully the army they invest in ? Or it is just a fantasy that this game cannot satisfy?....

I've rarely met an issue where any outcome was strictly positive. The issues also have to account of a wide gamut of nations, and have options and results that both make sense for all of the nearly 250,000 nations on the site, as well as fit the satirical theme of the site.

With that said, if you think there's a gap in the issues, you are encouraged to fill it - there is a forum dedicated to it

[Outer Sparta]

As others said, liberal or liberalish results do not equal leftist. If you are complaining the mechanics of this site is too leftist, then maybe find a different political simulator.

[SherpDaWerp]

And yes that is what I noticed, that most issues have a leftist / liberal view on things, and aren't very objective and neutral with the results. For example, I never met an issue where a war was won, but only diplomatic and cute solutions give a positive outcome. Do I need to write some funny issues where nations are allowed to actually use successfully the army they invest in ? Or it is just a fantasy that this game cannot satisfy?....

Wars are a fairly major undertaking, and there's currently only one way to "win" a war in NationStates - the once-off issues chain An International Incident, which gives you the option to invade and occupy Brazilistan, or nuke it, if you don't like the diplomatic approach. There are a lot of other issues where some brash military-type says you should invade, and they're all statted similarly, but it would get quite boring for every one of them to have an effect line that says "you won a big war", so other jokes get made instead.

I recommend not focusing on effect lines, as these are just pithy jokes or references to the issue, and aren't considered when the editors write stats (which are the real "objective" measure of an option's effect).

The other point here is that NS isn't a detailed military sim, so having an army that you invest heavily in gets reflected by your Defense Forces stat, but not really anywhere else, because it's beyond the game engine and editing/admin team to make issues take into account whether or not your military is big enough to win a war. If you're interested in a more detailed military-sim style approach, I recommend you check out the RP forums (specifically F&NI, International Incidents, and GE&T) where people create detailed explanations of their military investiture and wars they're engaging in.

[Socialist Ancomistan]

Wow! It's almost like conservatives and authoritarians have a fundamentally bad mindset on what an optimal future should look like

[Socialist Ancomistan]

With that being said, I do wish NationStates had a fundamental Military aspect where nations that invest in a strong military can actually use it in issues or with outside features, such as an advantage in the Combat game as an example

(this wouldn't impact me since I don't have an active military in my nation)

[Christian Confederation]

Wow! It's almost like conservatives and authoritarians have a fundamentally bad mindset on what an optimal future should look like

Authoritarians yes. Conservatives are a pretty bassed group.

[Fachumonn]

Wow! It's almost like conservatives and authoritarians have a fundamentally bad mindset on what an optimal future should look like

Authoritarians yes. Conservatives are a pretty bassed group.

Despite what you think, conservatives are authoritarians.

[Christian Confederation]

Authoritarians yes. Conservatives are a pretty bassed group.

Despite what you think, conservatives are authoritarians.

I don't think you understand the words Conservative and Athoratarian.

[Untecna]

Despite what you think, conservatives are authoritarians.

I don't think you understand the words Conservative and Athoratarian.

Conservative: basically wanting to keep things as is, with free markets and whatnot

Authoritarianism: Direct opposite of libertarianism, which reduces government size and powers; authoritarianism boosts government size and powers.

And just as an extra:

Totalitarianism: dictatorship!

[Federation of Anterica]

This can be very true, take the conservative stance on the issue your political freedoms and civil rights drop, (sometimes the conservative decision can help your political freedoms, but never the civil rights)

[Federation of Anterica]

Authoritarians yes. Conservatives are a pretty bassed group.

Despite what you think, conservatives are authoritarians.

This is such a horrible attempt to stick all conservatives into one group, I’m a conservative nation, I’ve kept my government small and don’t even have welfare programs… some conservatives might be authoritarians, but labeling us all that is super unfair

[New England and New Wales]

Authoritarians yes. Conservatives are a pretty bassed group.

Despite what you think, conservatives are authoritarians.

Ah Stalin, the famous conservative…

Oh wait.

[Barbbanos]

Liberal does not equal leftism. In fact, many argue that the issues are very different from real leftist views, which I agree with. Get over this.

[The Dodo Republic]

I pick option one with everything

[Sedgistan]

A lot of posts in this thread are nothing to do with Issues. If you're not posting about Issues, don't post here.