Ukrainian Invasion Thread II: Sunrise on the Dnieper

[Novus America]

The thing is many Russians live in an bizarre post modern alternative reality created on state TV, not the actual objective reality we live in.

Chernobyl is a much bigger deal in Russian culture and media than in the West lol

Russia is not Ukraine. It is a huge deal in Ukraine.

There are reports are troops saying the Russians did not know the significance of the site.
And did not take the proper precautions.
How does one explain that? Perhaps amongst the generation the remembers 1986 it is, but perhaps not amongst those too young to have lived through it.

I have a source. Yours is simply conjecture.

[Spirit of Hope]

Chernobyl is a much bigger deal in Russian culture and media than in the West lol

Russia is not Ukraine. It is a huge deal in Ukraine.

There are reports are troops saying the Russians did not know the significance of the site.
And did not take the proper precautions.
How does one explain that? Perhaps amongst the generation the remembers 1986 it is, but perhaps not amongst those too young to have lived through it.

I have a source. Yours is simply conjecture.

You have a single line from an unnamed Ukranian source talking about an unknown number of Russian soldiers. That isn't great evidence for the Russian culture in general being ignorant of Chernobyl, for all we know they are talking about a particularly stupid Russian private.

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

[Dtn]

Russia is not Ukraine. It is a huge deal in Ukraine.

There are reports are troops saying the Russians did not know the significance of the site.
And did not take the proper precautions.
How does one explain that? Perhaps amongst the generation the remembers 1986 it is, but perhaps not amongst those too young to have lived through it.

I have a source. Yours is simply conjecture.

You have a single line from an unnamed Ukranian source talking about an unknown number of Russian soldiers. That isn't great evidence for the Russian culture in general being ignorant of Chernobyl, for all we know they are talking about a particularly stupid Russian private.

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

In objective reality Ukrainian sources that claim objectively impossible things are taken at face value and Chernobyl is covered up in Russia.

[Novus America]

Russia is not Ukraine. It is a huge deal in Ukraine.

There are reports are troops saying the Russians did not know the significance of the site.
And did not take the proper precautions.
How does one explain that? Perhaps amongst the generation the remembers 1986 it is, but perhaps not amongst those too young to have lived through it.

I have a source. Yours is simply conjecture.

You have a single line from an unnamed Ukranian source talking about an unknown number of Russian soldiers. That isn't great evidence for the Russian culture in general being ignorant of Chernobyl, for all we know they are talking about a particularly stupid Russian private.

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

Fair, but it is still a better source than some random guy on the internet saying lol.
I tried looking up how it is taught in Russia but found nothing later than 1994.

So it is not clear what the average Russian in the poor and rural areas is taught about it, if at all.

[Dtn]

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

Note that this story originated from a Facebook post by a Chernobyl tourism promoter.

[El Lazaro]

it's downfall all over again

"DAS WAR EIN BEFEHL! DER ANGRIFF STEINER WAR BEFEHL!"

Lol we need Downfall Parodies of Putin now.

I’ve seen a few already

[Rusozak]

The thing is many Russians live in an bizarre post modern alternative reality created on state TV, not the actual objective reality we live in.

Chernobyl is a much bigger deal in Russian culture and media than in the West lol

But many are not privy to the specific details about the radioactive contamination of the area, and things not to do while in the exclusion zone. My bet is they were told it was safe and didn't know not to disturb the soil.

[Gig em Aggies]

Chernobyl is a much bigger deal in Russian culture and media than in the West lol

But many are not privy to the specific details about the radioactive contamination of the area, and things not to do while in the exclusion zone. My bet is they were told it was safe and didn't know not to disturb the soil.

Sad as it is I think this picture sums up what was going through the Russian soldiers heads

[Adamede]

Just goes to show how much Putin cares about these troops. Send them into the site of the world’s worst nuclear catastrophe without any PPE or knowledge as to why there is a random, totally abandoned city there, and just shrug when they die of radiation poisoning.

I’d say it makes you sick, but that’s probably not appropriate in this context.

It’s good the Russians are leaving the area though. They were dying in Ukraine, and every war death is a tragedy. Now if only their friends in Kharkiv and the south would do the same, that’d make all our day.

Totally agreed. Disgusting how little regard Putin has for his men. Didn't bother to give proper protection, food, ammo, vehicles, repair kits, etc. Nope, Russia's Mussolini just tossed his conscripts into battle with zero regard for any human life.

I mean how they're treated in peacetime isn't much better. Beaten, mutilated, raped, murdered, extorted and robbed, etc etc.

[Picairn]

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

Note that this story originated from a Facebook post by a Chernobyl tourism promoter.

Most likely fake, the Facebook post didn't exactly say they suffered Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS), the promoter just *wondered* if they dug trenches in the Red Forest. Soldiers going to hospitals during wartime isn't a surprise, they might as well be there for a regular radiation checkup to clean off contamination. Is there a chance they might have inhaled toxic radiation dust from the forest? Yes, and that may bring long-term health consequences, but ARS? No.

https://twitter.com/jrmygrdn/status/150 ... dRIRQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/SleepyNeutrons/stat ... YMfSw&s=19
https://twitter.com/CherylRofer/status/ ... 9rpeA&s=19

IAEA could not confirm the story: https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1509 ... 6CRDw&s=19

[Novus America]

Note that this story originated from a Facebook post by a Chernobyl tourism promoter.

Most likely fake, the Facebook post didn't exactly say they suffered Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS), the promoter just *wondered* if they dug trenches in the Red Forest. Soldiers going to hospitals during wartime isn't a surprise, they might as well be there for a regular radiation checkup to clean off contamination. Is there a chance they might have inhaled toxic radiation dust from the forest? Yes, and that may bring long-term health consequences, but ARS? No.

https://twitter.com/jrmygrdn/status/150 ... dRIRQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/SleepyNeutrons/stat ... YMfSw&s=19
https://twitter.com/CherylRofer/status/ ... 9rpeA&s=19

IAEA could not confirm the story: https://twitter.com/iaeaorg/status/1509 ... 6CRDw&s=19

I agree ARS seems unlikely. The radiation levels are not that high. I would think more likely the issue would be radiation burns in the lungs from inhalation, Radiation Pneumonitis.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

Totally agreed. Disgusting how little regard Putin has for his men. Didn't bother to give proper protection, food, ammo, vehicles, repair kits, etc. Nope, Russia's Mussolini just tossed his conscripts into battle with zero regard for any human life.

I mean how they're treated in peacetime isn't much better. Beaten, mutilated, raped, murdered, extorted and robbed, etc etc.

Wait. The Russian conscripts get mutilated, raped, and robbed?

[Novus America]

I mean how they're treated in peacetime isn't much better. Beaten, mutilated, raped, murdered, extorted and robbed, etc etc.

Wait. The Russian conscripts get mutilated, raped, and robbed?

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/02/ ... rmy-a69309
Unfortunately yes.

“But today, conscripts nearing the end of their year-long stint still bully new arrivals through rape, beatings and humiliation, sometimes with tragic consequences.”

It is probably not quite to the extreme now as it was in the early 00s, some belated actions were taken because it had gotten so absurdly out of hand, but unfortunately one of the biggest “reforms” was the Russian military simply stopped giving out data on soldier suicides and the like.

It still is a serious problem.

[Adamede]

So are these guys supposed to be the Russians or are they the separatists? Regardless the Russian side is running out of military vehicles and is resorting to technicals.

[Gig em Aggies]

So are these guys supposed to be the Russians or are they the separatists? Regardless the Russian side is running out of military vehicles and is resorting to technicals.

I think it's more likely they are from the Wagner PMC or they could be a small group of Syrian soldiers because Toyotas in camo w/Shielded mg's wielded or bolted in the bed screams Middle East.

[Adamede]

So are these guys supposed to be the Russians or are they the separatists? Regardless the Russian side is running out of military vehicles and is resorting to technicals.

I think it's more likely they are from the Wagner PMC or they could be a small group of Syrian soldiers because Toyotas in camo w/Shielded mg's wielded or bolted in the bed screams Middle East.

Technicals have no geographical restrictions for place of origin last I checked. Most likely they're seperatists.

[Gig em Aggies]

I think it's more likely they are from the Wagner PMC or they could be a small group of Syrian soldiers because Toyotas in camo w/Shielded mg's wielded or bolted in the bed screams Middle East.

Technicals have no geographical restrictions for place of origin last I checked. Most likely they're seperatists.

True but with the way those trucks look with the MG's in the truck bed it just reminds me of the ME way too much.

[Adamede]

Technicals have no geographical restrictions for place of origin last I checked. Most likely they're seperatists.

True but with the way those trucks look with the MG's in the truck bed it just reminds me of the ME way too much.

I mean the Russians have been operating in the ME for years now so I'm not surprised that technical they're fielding share similarities.

[Picairn]

UAV footage of the now abandoned Hostomel Airport.

[Independent Cossack Ukraine]

UAV footage of the now abandoned Hostomel Airport.

Guess the VDV's efforts were for nothing. They took horrible casualties and failed their objective in the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XFytY7bDNA
Guess this holds true.

[Infected Mushroom]

Europe will have to pay in rubbles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UrX60soN_M

[The Lone Alliance]

Europe will have to pay in rubbles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UrX60soN_M

Putin seems to think he's Lord Vader who can alter the deal.

Europe should counter that if he tries to force Europe to pay in Rubles they will give Ukraine free tanks and aircraft.

[Infected Mushroom]

Europe will have to pay in rubbles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UrX60soN_M

Putin seems to think he's Lord Vader who can alter the deal.

Europe should counter that if he tries to force Europe to pay in Rubles they will give Ukraine free tanks and aircraft.

So Europe is Lando?

[Hurtful Thoughts]

You have a single line from an unnamed Ukranian source talking about an unknown number of Russian soldiers. That isn't great evidence for the Russian culture in general being ignorant of Chernobyl, for all we know they are talking about a particularly stupid Russian private.

Even the reports that Russians are suffering radiation sickness haven't been confirmed or really elaborated on.

Fair, but it is still a better source than some random guy on the internet saying lol.
I tried looking up how it is taught in Russia but found nothing later than 1994.

So it is not clear what the average Russian in the poor and rural areas is taught about it, if at all.

I'd like to believe they got sick trying to make the ferris-wheel run again.

For the tactical advantage it brings, obviously.

It's the high ground.

[El Lazaro]

So are these guys supposed to be the Russians or are they the separatists? Regardless the Russian side is running out of military vehicles and is resorting to technicals.

I think it's more likely they are from the Wagner PMC or they could be a small group of Syrian soldiers because Toyotas in camo w/Shielded mg's wielded or bolted in the bed screams Middle East.

I told y’all.

War. War never changes. From the tachanka to the Toyota, the creation of somewhat absurd technicals is a fundamental fact of the human condition.