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NATO should decline these demands and begin preparing for WW3 to break out.
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NATO should decline these demands and hope it's fine and/or limited to the invasion of Ukraine.
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NATO should negotiate.
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NATO should accept these demands.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:13 pm

Denmark says will let volunteers join foreign brigade in Ukraine: PM

If i find confirmation for it later ill post it here too obviously.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:13 pm

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Rio Cana wrote:Recommend you watch the following video from a Canadian prepper who says he gets info. from both sides. He says why is electric power and communications still working when the Russians could easily destroy them. He says it seems there is a plan to limit damage since the Russians seem to want a functioning Ukraine after they have achieved there goals. Also, he mentioned that the ex-Pres. of Poland commented that if the Russians attack the Capital of Ukraine that the west should do the same to the Russian capital city. Video comments on a possible US entry into the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC0C6uS_aFo


Genuine question: why would "a canadian prepper" be "the source to go to" for a conflict in eastern Europe ?


Most information going around seem to be leaning toward one side, not telling it all or fake. This guy seems legit. He even says he gets info. from both sides. Just because he is a prepper does not mean he is not right.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:They should just stick Putin and Zelensky in a pit and let them slug it out.

If put my money on Zelensky at this point.

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Postby Continental Free States » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:15 pm

Gallia- wrote:This isn't a Western media thing.

Imagine if Texas or California declared independence in the aftermath of a US economic collapse, but Texas decides to join America and California holds fast and starts joining the PRC's orbit. This would probably upset America's rump state and Texas as well, so they might conspire to launch an invasion of California to bring it back into the fold 30 years post-collapse.
No one would want to flatten the Hollywood sign or San Francisco but they might be forced to, because they don't want California to become a Chinese client state.

It's funny to me that you picked the absolutely bonkers Americanized analogy -which doesn't even make sense in any way whatsoever- when the situation between Ireland and Great Britain, though also flawed in some way, is literally right there. You could just do a "what if the UK just up and annexed Dublin and then tried to invade the rest of Ireland because they're too nationalist and militarist and 'Irish is just a dialect of English anyway'."
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:15 pm

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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:17 pm

Gallia- wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Our estimates seem to be just over half what the Ukrainians have been saying on most days. But even so that would put the current Russian dead at around 2,500 which when you add in serious injuries would be a massive amount of casulaties for 4 days fighting.


4,300 KIA is reasonably accurate.

The Ukrainians have probably suffered about twice as many dead. How many wounded is either very small or much bigger, depending on if vehicle crews are being killed instantly or injured and evacuated. I don't see the latter happening, as any ambulance convoy would be a nice target for Ukrainian partisans, even if Soviet designed tanks and APCs weren't death traps, and the Ukrainians are generally executing prisoners out of hand.

Got evidence for any of that?

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Postby Greater Miami Shores 3 » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:17 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Denmark says will let volunteers join foreign brigade in Ukraine: PM

If i find confirmation for it later ill post it here too obviously.

A Few Euro nations are doing the same. The unofficial way to declare war on Russia without declaring war on Russia, while not facing the consequences of war on Russia.

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Postby Gallia- » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:17 pm

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Gallia- wrote:
4,300 KIA is reasonably accurate.

The Ukrainians have probably suffered about twice as many dead. How many wounded is either very small or much bigger, depending on if vehicle crews are being killed instantly or injured and evacuated. I don't see the latter happening, as any ambulance convoy would be a nice target for Ukrainian partisans, even if Soviet designed tanks and APCs weren't death traps, and the Ukrainians are generally executing prisoners out of hand.

Got evidence for any of that?


I know a guy who knows a guy, the same as literally anyone else in this thread (or on Twitter) lol.

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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:20 pm

Shekelesh wrote:From the few bits of info we've gotten about Ukrainian military casualties, it's that they are lower than Russian figures and by a considerable amount.

Not unreasonable to expect since they’re the defenders.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:21 pm

We have no way of telling at the moment which side has taken greater casualties. Take anything Russia or Ukraine says with a massive pinch of salt
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:21 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Either 96 hours still seems to be fairly accurate, or it isn’t. 96 hours “plus or minus a few days” could literally be twice as long.


I thought the Russians claimed they destroyed them? Or was that just disinfo/fog of war from the time of the initial air strikes?

I have a video, allegedly of one of these drones hitting a convoy of Russian Buks, but i dont know if i can link it here


Are they kamikaze drones or do they just drop a small bomb?
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:21 pm

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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:21 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Adamede wrote:Got evidence for any of that?


I know a guy who knows a guy, the same as literally anyone else in this thread (or on Twitter) lol.

So everything you’ve said is essentially pulled out of your ass, got it.

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:22 pm

The Nihilistic view wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I have a video, allegedly of one of these drones hitting a convoy of Russian Buks, but i dont know if i can link it here


Are they kamikaze drones or do they just drop a small bomb?

It was from the Drone's perspective itself so either a rocket or a bomb. Hit right in the middle of the road on two of those Buk's and some soldiers.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:22 pm

West Bromwich Holme wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Hell even some Irish Politicians have been calling for Ireland to send weapons to Ukraine.


Could the Republic of Ireland send in its defence forces to Ukraine to take on Russia and weaken them a bit more? I'm no military expert, but would it be helping Ukraine?

Ireland isn’t in NATO but it is in the EU, and frankly I so don’t put it pass Russia to nuke even Ireland.

Anyway I doubt they have the military capabilities to deploy their military to Ukraine.

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Postby The Nihilistic view » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:22 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Nemidia wrote:
No, it isnt, Ukraine as it stands is putting up fierce resistance,


So did Poland in 1939, France in 1940, and Iraq in 2003. Ukraine has the benefit of a magic electric eyeball that tells them where the Russians are going and it still can't defeat their highly vulnerable airborne troops and long road convoys.

Nemidia wrote:they have been beating the Russians back again and again,


They're flailing helplessly in their little urban fortresses and being bypassed.

Nemidia wrote:they still contest Ukrainian airspace,


All their airbases have been bombed and they've only bombed Rostov-on-Don for now. Much less Belarus or Russian staging areas.

Nemidia wrote:and the Ukrainian people are rallying to defend their homes.


Yes they threw a molotov at a truck and said some harsh language to people who were told not to shoot civilians.

Nemidia wrote:This is more equivilant to the early stages of operation barbarosa than it is Iraq or Poland


Drafting pensioners is April 1945 energy. Russia didn't draft pensioners in 1941, it drafted Marines and police officers.


Iraq didn't particularly in the end, the coalition lost about 150 killed in the actual war before the occupation.
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:23 pm

Adamede wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
I know a guy who knows a guy, the same as literally anyone else in this thread (or on Twitter) lol.

So everything you’ve said is essentially pulled out of your ass, got it.


No, I said I know a guy who knows a guy. The guy I know is a trauma doctor and can look at blood product availability by country, and was a soldier so he knows how much blood a casualty needs, and he knows guys who are officers in the war.

What's your source? Even Zelenskyy said Kyiv is surrounded now.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:23 pm

Gallia- wrote:RT would just say the Ukrainians forced them to do it despite being given a chance to surrender. It is a great loss of historic architecture but this is something the Ukrainians did themselves blah blah blah.


Forget about the architecture, it's inevitable that anything man made is eventually destroyed, replaced, or lost to history or whatever else. Besides which, Kiev was wrecked more during WW2 than it is now. Anything that's built can always be recreated with enough effort, if not with something newer/better. It is surely the least of their worries.

We have museums and sites in Syria and Iraq which were destroyed by Islamic State barbarians, that are now doing all the work to recreate or bring back into existence copies of what was lost to the best of what's possible, and they only have documents, pictures, or memory to go off of.
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Postby Adamede » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:23 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Kubra wrote: Except under particular circumstances, attackers are generally expected to take more losses than defenders.


...yes? That hasn't been happening.

Russia isn't the one drafting elderly men and arming babushkas. They're trying to keep this little war a secret and are using fairly limited forces. They're getting a black eye but Ukraine has a broken arm at the moment.

That you have no evidence for.

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Postby United Northen States Canada » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:25 pm

Can we hope for Ukraine victory??
I hear and read news saying Ukraine soldiers are more like heroes now.
they are doing their best protecting their homeland.

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Postby Kody United » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:25 pm

The realization That I nor you are not even mildly funny :/

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Postby Arlenton » Sun Feb 27, 2022 12:25 pm

Ukrainian Azov units apparently coating their bullets in pork fat to battle Muslim Chechnyan troops. Lmao based

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