The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[Adamede]

Russian troops are foraging/looting supplies from civilians

Figures. Their military units are sparse in terms of organic logistics support and heavily rely on resupply from railheads.

Foraging in the field is an age old military tactic. Unfornturaly I was under the impression we were no longer in the Middle Ages.

[Pasong Tirad]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

[Stratocratic-Anarchy Oceanic Empire]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

How is this relevant?

[Port Caverton]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

You're aware this isn't a video game, right?

I mean sai is a NEET, what did you expect to be honest.

[Kerwa]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

Not everything is Star Wars. (Or World War II for that matter).

[San Lumen]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

Making a Star Wars reference is totally inappropriate here. This is a totally unnecessary conflict that will have long lasting consequences and mass death and destruction along with scars that will last years.

Shame on you.

[Ostroeuropa]

A conventional war in which neither nuclear power is even attacked carries zero risk of nuclear Armageddon. Stop fear-mongering just because Russia’s talking tough now, it’s what they want you to do.

The policy being discussed is a no-fly zone, which entails shooting down Russian aircraft. That's a nuclear power attacking another nuclear power.

And we can give that right back to them.
And what's left of Mankind gets to hear about how a Man called Putin in the radioactive dustbowl formerly known as Russia decided to end the world because of his own inferiority complex.

You're talking about the lives of billions. This isn't a video game.

It only amounts to attacking them if they ignore our declaration. We announce we will be enforcing a no fly zone from X time and then do it. Especially potent if we then cut all communication to Russia. That leaves the ball firmly in their court.

[Adamede]

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

And we can give that right back to them.
And what's left of Mankind gets to hear about how a Man called Putin in the radioactive dustbowl formerly known as Russia decided to end the world because of his own inferiority complex.

So yes the idea that Putin's first response to any sort of reaction by NATO will be "AHH MOTHERLAND!!!!!!" is retarded.

Is it a risk that a nation would be willing to take?

[Mestovakia]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

Do you have anything relevant to discuss rather than make jokes?

[Novus America]

Yes. We should consider it. I think it could be done. What could Russia realistically do to us in response? We should at least look at it.

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4
This again applies to them.

Are they willing to loose literally everything to avenge a few pilots? Highly unlikely. Basically zero.

Turkey shot down a plane. Russia did not use nukes.

And if we let them get away with unlimited nuclear blackmail then how can we stop anything?

[Jerzylvania]

russia banned evangelizing outside of churches and mostly uses that ban to arrest protestants lmao
like the backtrack here is hilarious because seeing you run headfirst into the realization that you're on the outskirts of the right is amazing but "enemy of my enemy is my friend" isn't everyone's calculus



the sheer refusal to consider the idea that russia might deploy nuclear weapons in response to a shooting war is incredible to me but it does make sense when you're hopped up on warfever

We cannot live in fear of Russia.

And we don't. More so they live in fear of US and NATO reprisals.

[Antipatros]

Russian troops are foraging/looting supplies from civilians

Figures. Their military units are sparse in terms of organic logistics support and heavily rely on resupply from railheads.

Foraging in the field is an age old military tactic. Unfornturaly I was under the impression we were no longer in the Middle Ages.

The Russian Army is probably focused on moving forward ammo and fuel for combat vehicles.

I would not be at all surprised if some guys at the front are going without rations.

[Adamede]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

What the fuck is wrong with you?

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

This is the first thing to make me genuinely giggle this week.

[Diarcesia]

in an act of solidarity, I have broken my alliance with Russia in my current TW: Empire campaign. Profitable as it was, Poland- Lithuania will not stand for this blatant aggression

Can you pull off a map like this there?

[The Lone Alliance]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

What the fuck are you babbling about

That despite being a far-righter he thinks of everything through the lens of Modern America pop culture.... despite the fact the Far Right despise people who see everything through the lens of modern American pop culture.

[Hemakral]

It's a close run between IM and Sai, but I think the latter is still in the lead.

Nah, Sai is posting as expected and people are responding about how bad his posts are as expected, the forum works.

IM is fantasizing about Putin's "cool" bunker and how it looks while there's literally a Russian invasion of Ukraine going on, like what?

I had interpreted it as having murderous subtext towards Putin but I don't know IM all that well so I could be wrong :v

I mean sai is a NEET, what did you expect to be honest.

Sai is both a nazi and a neet making him a neetzi

[Kanadorika]

This whole situation might be "Legacy of the Sith" come to life, more than Bioware intended. Ukraine can be the battlefield (Manaan), whilst the invading Russians are the Sith empire whilst NATO can be the Jedi defenders if they wind up sending a secret general to help oversee the counteroffensive/defense efforts.

Only what resource does Ukraine have if it isn't Kolto (magical healing substance)?

You're aware this isn't a video game, right?

Americans and most other westerners are privileged enough to have nothing in their lives to compare this war to.

[Novus America]

A conventional war in which neither nuclear power is even attacked carries zero risk of nuclear Armageddon. Stop fear-mongering just because Russia’s talking tough now, it’s what they want you to do.

The policy being discussed is a no-fly zone, which entails shooting down Russian aircraft. That's a nuclear power attacking another nuclear power.

And we can give that right back to them.
And what's left of Mankind gets to hear about how a Man called Putin in the radioactive dustbowl formerly known as Russia decided to end the world because of his own inferiority complex.

You're talking about the lives of billions. This isn't a video game.

Turkey shot down Russian planes in Syria. No nukes. Russians are not suicidal.

[Adamede]

Light of the midnight sun and all that.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o861Ka9TtT4
This again applies to them.

Are they willing to loose literally everything to avenge a few pilots? Highly unlikely. Basically zero.

Turkey shot down a plane. Russia did not use nukes.

And if we let them get away with unlimited nuclear blackmail then how can we stop anything?

Again that’s a gamble of billions of lives, is it a chance you’re willing to take?

[Saiwania]

Alright, veering off to the real/serious world. Tucker Carlson is pro-Russia, and we know he has a ton of clout with US Conservatives. On that basis, a lot of them will probably be backing Russia if not finding some reasons to.

[El Lazaro]

That's really cool. I wonder what this bunker would look like and how many guards there would be.

I was about to ask what the hell is wrong with you then I remembered you supported the PRC cracking down and destroying Hong Kong’s democracy

I was thinking more along the lines of the hypotheticals, the weekly “Would you massacre a dozen children soldiers, fillet them, and eat them raw and brutally kick a homeless man with cancer until he dies so you can proceed to manipulate your friends and family into giving you money for ‘funeral expenses’ and then embezzle money so you can cover the cost of a flamethrower with which you will burn an entire animal shelter down with if it meant Hitler only did half a Holocaust?” is slightly concerning. Putting aside the question of which option is less vastly immoral, I worry for the kind of person who can write a new one of those on a regular basis.

[Kerwa]

What the fuck are you babbling about

That despite being a far-righter he thinks of everything through the lens of Modern America pop culture.... despite the fact the Far Right despise people who see everything through the lens of modern American pop culture.

Modern pop culture is pretty infra dig, to be fair.

[Novus America]

We cannot live in fear of Russia.

And we don't. More so they live in fear of US and NATO reprisals.

Apparently not. We are terrified to even use real sanctions here. We are the cowards. The Ukrainians are heroes we are not.

[Malaiya Union]

Blocking the Central Bank of Russia will result in Russia's $600bn foreign currency reserve becoming unusable. Combined with blocking all of major Russian banks, the catastrophic impact to Russia will be far worse than blocking SWIFT. Thr best option is to the the former and then the latter in succession.

[Umeria]

The policy being discussed is a no-fly zone, which entails shooting down Russian aircraft. That's a nuclear power attacking another nuclear power.

It only amounts to attacking them if they ignore our declaration. We announce we will be enforcing a no fly zone from X time and then do it. Especially potent if we then cut all communication to Russia. That leaves the ball firmly in their court.

And what happens if they use the same logic that you're using? If they attack us out of the belief that we'll back down under enough pressure?