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by Just Guy » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:33 pm
by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:35 pm
Just Guy wrote:Is this alright?
The mythological RL ideology of Nazism, which NAZI EUROPE supports, includes the genocide of ethnic groups, disabled, and other populations. On the other hand, the mythological RL ideology of communism does not support mass-killings -- some of its applications do, however. We therefore believe that regions supporting the mythological Nazi ideology are condemnable.
However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:46 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:Just Guy wrote:Is this alright?
The mythological RL ideology of Nazism, which NAZI EUROPE supports, includes the genocide of ethnic groups, disabled, and other populations. On the other hand, the mythological RL ideology of communism does not support mass-killings -- some of its applications do, however. We therefore believe that regions supporting the mythological Nazi ideology are condemnable.
However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.
We don't study a myth called Nazism, don't know what you're on about. We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.
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by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 8:50 pm
by Reseda Island » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:00 pm
by Reseda Island » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:03 pm
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:09 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:
Ah, yes, it is most hilarious is it not? I can not be blamed for you not knowing the difference. National Socialism and Nazism are different, just like National Bolshevism is NOT National Communism. I really have no wish to argue with you, as it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
And to Unibot, are you calling me confused? I no what I'm talking about, more so then this Just Guy character.
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by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:11 pm
Unibot wrote:Laos Refugees wrote:Ah, yes, it is most hilarious is it not? I can not be blamed for you not knowing the difference. National Socialism and Nazism are different, just like National Bolshevism is NOT National Communism. I really have no wish to argue with you, as it is plainly obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
And to Unibot, are you calling me confused? I no what I'm talking about, more so then this Just Guy character.
You're correct, there is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism. So, if you wanted to be associated with National Socialism (as you state here --> "We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.") , then why did you name your region, NAZI EUROPE instead of NATIONAL SOCIALIST EUROPE or some variation thereof?
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:18 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:Unibot wrote:
You're correct, there is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism. So, if you wanted to be associated with National Socialism (as you state here --> "We don't support Nazism, we support National Socialism.") , then why did you name your region, NAZI EUROPE instead of NATIONAL SOCIALIST EUROPE or some variation thereof?
Because I'm not the founder? Obviously, I did not name it. A founder who can't even run it did. So he entrusted the delegate to be the leader, I have made it into National Socialist Europe, by all means, that is what it is. Before you ask, no, we will not simply be forced to leave and found a region named so. The Founder may have wanted it to be a Nazism region, but he gave up that right when he decided he couldn't run it.
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by All Good People » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:20 pm
by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:29 pm
I believe you refer to the condemnation, not the repeal. You're right, there is nothing I can do to change history, except make it clear that that Nazi Europe no longer exists. And also point out that my actions on the forums do not warrant as reasons on why NAZI EUROPE should be condemned.Unibot wrote:Laos Refugees wrote:Because I'm not the founder? Obviously, I did not name it. A founder who can't even run it did. So he entrusted the delegate to be the leader, I have made it into National Socialist Europe, by all means, that is what it is. Before you ask, no, we will not simply be forced to leave and found a region named so. The Founder may have wanted it to be a Nazism region, but he gave up that right when he decided he couldn't run it.
A perfectly decent proposal for a repeal of SC#3 because that proposal requires your region to support Nazism for it to be logically sound. However, your admittance that the region is separate in ideology from Nazism does not defend itself from the articles of the currently passing repeal.
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:35 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:Unibot wrote:
A perfectly decent proposal for a repeal of SC#3 because that proposal requires your region to support Nazism for it to be logically sound. However, your admittance that the region is separate in ideology from Nazism does not defend itself from the articles of the currently passing repeal.I believe you refer to the condemnation, not the repeal.
Yes. My mistake.You're right, there is nothing I can do to change history, except make it clear that that Nazi Europe no longer exists. And also point out that my actions on the forums do not warrant as reasons on why NAZI EUROPE should be condemned.
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by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:43 pm
Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.Unibot wrote:
(1) You're not the only one whose actions have been included in the roleplay section, perhaps all your region's members would like to indiviudally state that their actions should not be taken as represenative of the region as a whole? (2) You're the delegate of the region, whether you like it or not, your regional mates have decided that you're fit to represent the region .. which if we look at your roleplayed history, speaks volumes about your region-mates -- if this was an isolated incident, I would be less inclined to condemn, but Oh My Days also had a particularly questionable history.
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:52 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.Unibot wrote:
(1) You're not the only one whose actions have been included in the roleplay section, perhaps all your region's members would like to indiviudally state that their actions should not be taken as represenative of the region as a whole? (2) You're the delegate of the region, whether you like it or not, your regional mates have decided that you're fit to represent the region .. which if we look at your roleplayed history, speaks volumes about your region-mates -- if this was an isolated incident, I would be less inclined to condemn, but Oh My Days also had a particularly questionable history.
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by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 9:54 pm
They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.Unibot wrote:Laos Refugees wrote:Ah yes, eye rolling, how pathetic, even in emoticon form. Even if it were true that my members RPd in N.Es name, it is not included in the condemnation, all I see is regions claimed by O.M.D a long time ago, a few bullets about me, and then one about a troll starting to get us to wage with the pacific. My region mates did no decide I was fit to rule the region, that would've been O.M.D, who put be as his replacement. There is no democracy in our region, and if you believe that is something you should condemn us for, then maybe you should have added that, instead of wasting time about regions that were small as small gets being taken over. All my R.P history has nothing to do with the region. Really, it's sad this condemnation has to go through all my posts to find dirt on me, like I've said before, if you're going to go through the effort to find dig this deep, you should just condemn me instead. But whatever gets you off, I suppose.
Your regional mates can still overthrow you if they like, you require endorsements to be delegate. Have there been any recent attempts to coup the region? Or is your region contented with being delegated by a genocidal nation?
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:06 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.Unibot wrote:
Your regional mates can still overthrow you if they like, you require endorsements to be delegate. Have there been any recent attempts to coup the region? Or is your region contented with being delegated by a genocidal nation?
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by Laos Refugees » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:14 pm
Unibot wrote:Laos Refugees wrote:They can try, however, I will simply contact the founder and have that reversed. They would do no such thing. Just because there isn't democracy, doesn't mean they are not happy. I am friends with the whole of my region, when they have a issue with another, I help them resolve it, I am no dictator, and I am definitely not a genocidal nation, which I find amusing, to say the least.
You're not a genocidal nation, sorry, I mixed you up with another nation. However, (1) You're a hostile nation that often targets communist nations on the basis of their ideology, (2) You are a dictator, your peoples may have political freedoms and you may demonstrate esteem interest in your colleagues' concerns but you only do so because you permit it -- it thus begs to question if the will of the people and your own judgment were to clash, who would come out victorious?
Do you deny the first charge? And second, please explain how you're not a dictator? Because thus far you have only illustrated to me why you are a benevolent dictator.
by Kalibarr » Sat Nov 27, 2010 10:49 pm
by Unibot » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:18 pm
Laos Refugees wrote:Unibot wrote:
You're not a genocidal nation, sorry, I mixed you up with another nation. However, (1) You're a hostile nation that often targets communist nations on the basis of their ideology, (2) You are a dictator, your peoples may have political freedoms and you may demonstrate esteem interest in your colleagues' concerns but you only do so because you permit it -- it thus begs to question if the will of the people and your own judgment were to clash, who would come out victorious?
Do you deny the first charge? And second, please explain how you're not a dictator? Because thus far you have only illustrated to me why you are a benevolent dictator.
Indeed, I do target Communists aggressively, just as they have targeted my region aggressively. To honest, I can not tell you if it was NAZI EUROPE that started it or a Communist region, it matters little, however. I do what I need to, as if I was to let them come into my region to debate, we would have nothing but threats and insults thrown by both sides,
I have little desire for mod intervention in my region.
.Yes, I am a dictator, truly, amazing, isn't it? I have a cabinet of course, who do what they need to do, but they are appointed by myself, recruiters, spies, etc are all appointed by me or their respected commander. I have yet to have problems threatening my rule as delegate of the leader, the worst I've seen my nations is when members from T.G.G.R hop over to insult us, making my members insult them back, or, small feuds between other members of the region, whom I can easily separate without worry. If a revolt actually works and I cannot contact the founder, then I will happily go elsewhere, for it would be clear I am not welcome
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by Metania » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:38 pm
Just Guy wrote:However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.
by Flemingovia » Sat Nov 27, 2010 11:49 pm
Metania wrote:Just Guy wrote:However, we do realise that retaining SC#3 is not feasible, as the repetitive repeals are wasting too much of the Security Council's time. Therefore, we support this condemnation and the subsequent repeal.
Yes, I think we can all agree that removing SC #3 should save the SC a lot of time. Plus there will remain this condemnation at the same time. Thus we can move on to other pressing issues.
by Unibot » Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:02 am
Flemingovia wrote:Metania wrote:
Yes, I think we can all agree that removing SC #3 should save the SC a lot of time. Plus there will remain this condemnation at the same time. Thus we can move on to other pressing issues.
The fact that there are a few vocal individuals determined to steamroller through a repeal of SC#3 by repeating the attempt over and over and over again if necessary seems to me insufficient reason to accede to their demands. Bowing to this sort of pressure diminishes this chamber
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