The Invasion of Ukraine, Russia Threatens Finland/Sweden

[The H Corporation]

I wonder who would volunteer

Adventure sorts and nationalists primarily.

Why am I not even surprised. Wouldn't patriotic people be the ones joining as well? What would be the difference between nationalists and patriotism?

[Adamede]

Adventure sorts and nationalists primarily.

Why am I not even surprised. Wouldn't patriotic people be the ones joining as well? What would be the difference between nationalists and patriotism?

Msot people define it by how far you’re willing to take it. It’s a fine line.

[Salus Maior]

Russia isn't going to be fighting NATO. Ukraine isn't in NATO, and nobody's going to help them if Russia invades.

Eh we'll definitely be sending arms to them like we currently are. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw some push for "volunteers" either.

That's not really going to be enough to turn the tide.

[Christian Confederation]

Invasion or not this waiting sucks

[New Baltenstein]

Invasion or not this waiting sucks

What are we waiting for, assembled in the forum?

The barbarians are due here today.


Why isn’t anything going on in the senate?
Why are the senators sitting there without legislating?

Because the barbarians are coming today.
What’s the point of senators making laws now?
Once the barbarians are here, they’ll do the legislating.


Why did our emperor get up so early,
and why is he sitting enthroned at the city’s main gate,
in state, wearing the crown?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and the emperor’s waiting to receive their leader.
He’s even got a scroll to give him,
loaded with titles, with imposing names.


Why have our two consuls and praetors come out today
wearing their embroidered, their scarlet togas?
Why have they put on bracelets with so many amethysts,
rings sparkling with magnificent emeralds?
Why are they carrying elegant canes
beautifully worked in silver and gold?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and things like that dazzle the barbarians.


Why don’t our distinguished orators turn up as usual
to make their speeches, say what they have to say?

Because the barbarians are coming today
and they’re bored by rhetoric and public speaking.


Why this sudden bewilderment, this confusion?
(How serious people’s faces have become.)
Why are the streets and squares emptying so rapidly,
everyone going home lost in thought?

Because night has fallen and the barbarians haven't come.
And some of our men just in from the border say
there are no barbarians any longer.


Now what’s going to happen to us without barbarians?
Those people were a kind of solution.

"Waiting for the Barbarians", Constantine Cavafy

[Luziyca]

Invasion or not this waiting sucks

I agree. If Russia's going to invade, it should do so now. If not, then it should stop doing that shit.

[Thermodolia]

Russia isn't going to be fighting NATO. Ukraine isn't in NATO, and nobody's going to help them if Russia invades.

Eh we'll definitely be sending arms to them like we currently are. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw some push for "volunteers" either.

Covert ops will most definitely be going in. NATO command wants to make Ukraine into Soviet invasion of Afghanistan 2.0. So I’d imagine that we’ll be dumping a lot of money and weapons into Ukraine

[Thermodolia]

Eh we'll definitely be sending arms to them like we currently are. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw some push for "volunteers" either.

That's not really going to be enough to turn the tide.

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

[The H Corporation]

That's not really going to be enough to turn the tide.

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

I thought the same. Ukraine may not be a nation capable of defending itself properly or stopping Russia but they can make it a hell for the Russians

[Thermodolia]

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

I thought the same. Ukraine may not be a nation capable of defending itself properly or stopping Russia but they can make it a hell for the Russians

And NATO will be assisting in that, through the use of thousands of weapons, millions of dollars, and special forces/intelligence officers.

All things we can claim aren’t us

[Salus Maior]

That's not really going to be enough to turn the tide.

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

Yeah, that's not likely to succeed.

I mean, Ukraine is mostly just flat plains, not exactly Afghan mountains and Vietnamese jungles.

[Thermodolia]

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

Yeah, that's not likely to succeed.

I mean, Ukraine is mostly just flat plains, not exactly Afghan mountains and Vietnamese jungles.

They got enough forests to hide in and a long enough water border and border with NATO nations for it to work

[Prima Scriptura]

Yeah, that's not likely to succeed.

I mean, Ukraine is mostly just flat plains, not exactly Afghan mountains and Vietnamese jungles.

They got enough forests to hide in and a long enough water border and border with NATO nations for it to work

Putin is going to want to invade the Baltic states next

[The H Corporation]

They got enough forests to hide in and a long enough water border and border with NATO nations for it to work

Putin is going to want to invade the Baltic states next

And risking a war with NATO?

[Prima Scriptura]

Putin is going to want to invade the Baltic states next

And risking a war with NATO?

Putin believes that Russia has a divine right to Eastern Europe, so yes. He wants war with the west.

[The H Corporation]

And risking a war with NATO?

Putin believes that Russia has a divine right to Eastern Europe, so yes. He wants war with the west.

To be fair, for that to happen, Putin must have to be insane to even considering a war like that

[Gallia-]

Invasion or not this waiting sucks

I agree. If Russia's going to invade, it should do so now. If not, then it should stop doing that shit.

The only people saying Russia is going to invade are American boomers lol. They can't stomach the idea that NATO is useless in a post-USSR world, so they desperately hope for Russia to do something that causes a war, so they can be justified in its continued existence. This is instead of replacing it with a better institution, like the EU was intended to do, or maybe something like the EBRD, because that's hard and requires thinking about the future.

Clinton was overall a decent president I guess but his whole emphasis on expanding NATO and contracting the US defense industries were extremely short sighted, but that's par the course for Western leaders who need to think ahead only to the next term.

That's not really going to be enough to turn the tide.

The idea isn’t to turn the tide but to get Russia bogged down in a deadly war that they will eventually have to cut their losses and leave.

Basically NATO leadership wants Ukraine to be Russias Vietnam and Afghanistan

Lol. I think NATO leadership is too internally divided to have a very coherent idea of what it wants to do. Which is why it's waffling between muttering that "Russia just wants respect" while also screaming about a Russian invasion imminent for the past month. It says more about its own internal divisions than anything Russia is doing, which is holding a military exercise with Belarus about defending against a NATO Ukrainian invasion, and has been quite openly honest about that. It might be omitting certain things, like about how this could be an exercise to determine how well Russia is capable of mustering large numbers of troops after Kazakhstan's little spat, but that's about it.

Russia already tried invading Ukraine and it got stopped pretty easily by a bunch of guys without trucks and using WW1 machine guns. It isn't going to try anytime soon, but in the meantime, Ukraine will be an excellent training ground for preparing troops to invade Ukraine.

NATO just wants to justify its own existence and since Poland and Hungary aren't playing by the "liberal democracy" rulebook that NATO has made its unstated mission since 1998, they are instead doing the only other thing that bothers to tie more than of them together: spooky Russians going to invade.

Never mind that Russia is so poor it can't invade its way out of a wet paper bag lol. Much like North Korea, it genuinely has more to fear from the religious zealots from the West than vice versa.

[The H Corporation]

I agree. If Russia's going to invade, it should do so now. If not, then it should stop doing that shit.

The only people saying Russia is going to invade are American boomers lol.

Lol

They can't stomach the idea that NATO is useless in a post-USSR world, so they desperately hope for Russia to do something that causes a war, so they can be justified in its continued existence.

It only serves as a defensive pact, of course it was created to defend themselves or bully the USSR, maybe it could be that the nations in it feel protected and give them a sense of unity. Idk here I am justifying its existence helplessly :P

This is instead of replacing it with a better institution, like the EU was intended to do, or maybe something like the EBRD, because that's hard and requires thinking about the future

Fair point

[Gallia-]

They can't stomach the idea that NATO is useless in a post-USSR world, so they desperately hope for Russia to do something that causes a war, so they can be justified in its continued existence.

It only serves as a defensive pact, of course it was created to defend themselves or bully the USSR, maybe it could be that the nations in it feel protected and give them a sense of unity. Idk here I am justifying its existence helplessly

Why does a more powerful group need to defend itself from a weaker one? Poland alone could probably conquer most of Russia. The USA currently has something like 10x as many operational tanks as the Russians do in storage.

NATO is currently the strongest military alliance in the world and it's acting as if it's somehow threatened by Russia. It's a bit silly to pretend to be weak while running roughshod over your former enemies. It would be like if America still kept an economic embargo and Constabulary occupation force in Germany "just in case" they try to turn Nazi again, and when Germany complains it isn't allowed to have an independent police force, or independent judges, America claims it's for its own protection against "strong Nazi forces". The conclusion here is obvious. If your enemies treat you as if you do something, it's not like you get much to lose by doing it. Russia has more patience than Germany though.

It has no purpose in a post-Cold War world and should have been shuttered after 1991 but it's been kept alive as a sort of zombie institution because the West lacks the imagination in its governing classes necessary to rule.

[Thermodolia]

And risking a war with NATO?

Putin believes that Russia has a divine right to Eastern Europe, so yes. He wants war with the west.

Putin isn’t that stupid

[The H Corporation]

It only serves as a defensive pact, of course it was created to defend themselves or bully the USSR, maybe it could be that the nations in it feel protected and give them a sense of unity. Idk here I am justifying its existence helplessly :P

Why does a more powerful group need to defend itself from a weaker one? Poland alone could probably conquer most of Russia. The USA currently has something like 10x as many operational tanks as the Russians do in storage.

NATO is currently the strongest military alliance in the world and it's acting as if it's somehow threatened by Russia. It's a bit silly to pretend to be weak while running roughshod over your former enemies. It would be like if America still kept an economic embargo and Constabulary occupation force in Germany "just in case" they try to turn Nazi again.

It has no purpose in a post-Cold War world and should have been shuttered after 1991 but it's been kept alive as a sort of zombie institution because the West lacks the imagination in its governing classes necessary to rule.

Probably because Russia has Nuclear Weapons?

[Gallia-]

Why does a more powerful group need to defend itself from a weaker one? Poland alone could probably conquer most of Russia. The USA currently has something like 10x as many operational tanks as the Russians do in storage.

NATO is currently the strongest military alliance in the world and it's acting as if it's somehow threatened by Russia. It's a bit silly to pretend to be weak while running roughshod over your former enemies. It would be like if America still kept an economic embargo and Constabulary occupation force in Germany "just in case" they try to turn Nazi again.

It has no purpose in a post-Cold War world and should have been shuttered after 1991 but it's been kept alive as a sort of zombie institution because the West lacks the imagination in its governing classes necessary to rule.

Probably because Russia has Nuclear Weapons?

Yes, that's likely the only thing keeping NATO from outright invading Russia to "restore democracy" or something.

Putin believes that Russia has a divine right to Eastern Europe, so yes. He wants war with the west.

Putin isn’t that stupid

NATO desperately wants Russia to be that stupid though so it can justify its 70 years and counting case of blue balls.

[Thermodolia]

Probably because Russia has Nuclear Weapons?

Yes, that's likely the only thing keeping NATO from outright invading Russia to "restore democracy" or something.

Lol. NATO isn’t going to invade Russia. And it has no plans to. You just hate the US and NATO and think it’s some evil organization hell bent on world domination.

Besides all your posts read like they got pulled out of r/iamverysmart

[Thermodolia]

Probably because Russia has Nuclear Weapons?

Yes, that's likely the only thing keeping NATO from outright invading Russia to "restore democracy" or something.

Putin isn’t that stupid

NATO desperately wants Russia to be that stupid though so it can justify its 70 years and counting case of blue balls.

No they don’t. NATO is purely defensive, if it was about wanting to invade Russia they would have done it back in 2014 or 2008.

And they would have brought Ukraine and Georgia into the fold years ago, yet they haven’t because it’s about collective defense not offense.

[Prima Scriptura]

Yes, that's likely the only thing keeping NATO from outright invading Russia to "restore democracy" or something.

Lol. NATO isn’t going to invade Russia. And it has no plans to. You just hate the US and NATO and think it’s some evil organization hell bent on world domination.

Besides all your posts read like they got pulled out of r/iamverysmart

Some people think that in order to stay based, they have to simp for Russia and Putin.