Capitalism Forever?

[Janpia]

Capitalist dictatorships can easily exist.. there is nothing in capitalism that protects freedom of speech.
On the contrary even - that costs money.

Uh you can still say things. Thats just propaganda. You cant have a communist society without the people. Plus, US is also doing the same thing your saying. Well hello there Google ad bot! Hows my algorythm? Got any nice source or stuff that I might buy later out of my own interests or viewing time?

Also you dont have to worry what you say on capitalist countries? Yea tell your boss to give you a raise. Or criticize your work environment

Yes, but at least with the capitalist countries there is no CERTAIN that I know they will turn into a dictatorship, unlike the socialist countries.

Countless South American Dictatorships are waving. Oh and those Southeast asians too. Lets not forget africa!

[HISPIDA]

Honestly What is better than capitalism? SO far we have no good alternative to replace capitalism that doesn't involve lack of free market and liberty .So till we come up with something that allows people to be free and grow based on their jobs, I'd not press that buttom.Id rather live under capitalism(best yet not perfect) than risk my freedom under some bad/questionable replacement

Social democracy

absolutely not

[Grande Germania]

Yes, but with just one party, I don't think a democracy can be built, right?

That entirely depends. If that one party allows other to run freely, its democratic. If they put on blocks and stuff, that makes other people not allowed to run, its not.

If you say so ... but a party has an ideology, doesn't it? hence those who disagree with the given ideology how they should be represented?

[Kerwa]

So you are saying withdraw from the WTO, disband the FRB, put up tariff barriers etc?

no, i'm saying overthrow the existing capitalist liberal world order and replace it with a socialist society that actually treats people with the most basic of dignity.

This sounds suspiciously Davos/WEF. Hard pass.

[-Astoria-]

Honestly What is better than capitalism? SO far we have no good alternative to replace capitalism that doesn't involve lack of free market and liberty .So till we come up with something that allows people to be free and grow based on their jobs, I'd not press that buttom.Id rather live under capitalism(best yet not perfect) than risk my freedom under some bad/questionable replacement

Social democracy

That still has an element of capitalism to it, unfortunately.

[Janpia]

That entirely depends. If that one party allows other to run freely, its democratic. If they put on blocks and stuff, that makes other people not allowed to run, its not.

If you say so ... but a party has an ideology, doesn't it? hence those who disagree with the given ideology how they should be represented.

Again that depends. There are parties that encompasses the entire leftist ideology. Some parties only accepts like Marxist-Leninist. But then again, the only thing being shutted down by socialist or communist ones are the ones not with the left. Not to mention, why on earth a fascist would be accepted to a communist party?

[Grande Germania]

Yes, but at least with the capitalist countries there is no CERTAIN that I know they will turn into a dictatorship, unlike the socialist countries.

Countless South American Dictatorships are waving. Oh and those Southeast asians too. Lets not forget africa!

Southeast Asian countries ... Vietnam, Communist, Laos, Communist.

[Grande Germania]

If you say so ... but a party has an ideology, doesn't it? hence those who disagree with the given ideology how they should be represented.

Again that depends. There are parties that encompasses the entire leftist ideology. Some parties only accepts like Marxist-Leninist. But then again, the only thing being shutted down by socialist or communist ones are the ones not with the left. Not to mention, why on earth a fascist would be accepted to a communist party?

Representation of all political factions is necessary for a democracy, and then the right isn't all swastikas and photos of Hitler, you know.

[Balkannia]

And to get arrested if they don't think like the government, to have nothing fully of their own, and to have to submit to impossible production quotas.

Tell me, what kind of government is different from socialism or communism? All I know is fascist, capitalist, and monarchists. All are just a big nope to me. Impossible production quotas? Thats a socialist planned economy. Only happens when theres like a famine or something. But its not part of communist ideals. Although that is quite similar to what you call "debt", in which US is deep into. Or those work deadlines which gives you low pay

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

[HISPIDA]

no, i'm saying overthrow the existing capitalist liberal world order and replace it with a socialist society that actually treats people with the most basic of dignity.

This sounds suspiciously Davos/WEF. Hard pass.

davos/wef? huh?

[Janpia]

Countless South American Dictatorships are waving. Oh and those Southeast asians too. Lets not forget africa!

Southeast Asian countries ... Vietnam, Communist, Laos, Communist.

Philippines, Indonesia, Brunei, Myanmar, maybe even Malaysia. Also, vietnam is on par with the rest of southeast asia. Those are capitalists with a good history of dictators

[Grande Germania]

Tell me, what kind of government is different from socialism or communism? All I know is fascist, capitalist, and monarchists. All are just a big nope to me. Impossible production quotas? Thats a socialist planned economy. Only happens when theres like a famine or something. But its not part of communist ideals. Although that is quite similar to what you call "debt", in which US is deep into. Or those work deadlines which gives you low pay

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

The Communists have been carrying the same arguments for about 200 years, by now they have become repetitive.

[Janpia]

Tell me, what kind of government is different from socialism or communism? All I know is fascist, capitalist, and monarchists. All are just a big nope to me. Impossible production quotas? Thats a socialist planned economy. Only happens when theres like a famine or something. But its not part of communist ideals. Although that is quite similar to what you call "debt", in which US is deep into. Or those work deadlines which gives you low pay

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

Oh please, dont get me started on American records of human rights? If you atleast read theory, Communism values human rights. Even their constitutions have it long written. An american cant afford to debt. For he will go hungry or homeless. Simple fact. Its not a choice to be in debt

[Grande Germania]

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

Oh please, dont get me started on American records of human rights? If you atleast read theory, Communism values human rights. Even their constitutions have it long written. An american cant afford to debt. For he will go hungry or homeless. Simple fact. Its not a choice to be in debt

In practice, however, how much value do Communist countries place on human rights?

[Janpia]

Tell me, what kind of government is different from socialism or communism? All I know is fascist, capitalist, and monarchists. All are just a big nope to me. Impossible production quotas? Thats a socialist planned economy. Only happens when theres like a famine or something. But its not part of communist ideals. Although that is quite similar to what you call "debt", in which US is deep into. Or those work deadlines which gives you low pay

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

Why would anyone want a monarchy anyway? Its just a parasitic entitled class. While the rest are toiling for food. You just said yourself fascist is military dictatoship like Chile. Guess who backed Pinochet?

[Janpia]

Oh please, dont get me started on American records of human rights? If you atleast read theory, Communism values human rights. Even their constitutions have it long written. An american cant afford to debt. For he will go hungry or homeless. Simple fact. Its not a choice to be in debt

In practice, however, how much value do Communist countries place on human rights?

Please back read. I already stated those on Soviet achievements. Like better labor policies, free healthcare, education etc.

[Janpia]

Again that depends. There are parties that encompasses the entire leftist ideology. Some parties only accepts like Marxist-Leninist. But then again, the only thing being shutted down by socialist or communist ones are the ones not with the left. Not to mention, why on earth a fascist would be accepted to a communist party?

Representation of all political factions is necessary for a democracy, and then the right isn't all swastikas and photos of Hitler, you know.

The right is capitalists. Thats basically it. The main ideological difference of communism.

[Janpia]

I might go later. As much as I want to have a lovely chat, its already 12 midnight here.

[Grande Germania]

- Communism is always soviet-style country
- Socialist can be soviet-style but also chinese/venezuelan
- Fascist is military dictatorship like in chile or greece
- Monarchy, today, is great britain-style country
- Democracy as in... well everywhere today almost
- Electoral Oligarchy as in Russia, new type of government

About the communist ideals, don't fall for it, their talking points serve only to achieve power, nothing promised is fulfilled later. They had to build a fricking wall and road checkpoints to stop people from leaving.

Atleast an American can choose debt, work or dont, leave or stay, speak freely(?!?!), while people under communism doesn't have rights, they depend on the whim of their local lord appointed by the party-state.

Why would anyone want a monarchy anyway? Its just a parasitic entitled class. While the rest are toiling for food. You just said yourself fascist is military dictatoship like Chile. Guess who backed Pinochet?

Ask the British why they like their monarchy, or the Swedes, or the Norwegians etc.
there the monarchy is supported by the people, it doesn't seem such a bad thing to me.

[Janpia]

Why would anyone want a monarchy anyway? Its just a parasitic entitled class. While the rest are toiling for food. You just said yourself fascist is military dictatoship like Chile. Guess who backed Pinochet?

Ask the British why they like their monarchy, or the Swedes, or the Norwegians etc.
there the monarchy is supported by the people, it doesn't seem such a bad thing to me.

Why does the monarchs gets to live in a big palace, while majority of the population dont?

[Grande Germania]

Ask the British why they like their monarchy, or the Swedes, or the Norwegians etc.
there the monarchy is supported by the people, it doesn't seem such a bad thing to me.

Why does the momarchs gets to live in a big palace, while majority of the population dont?

This also happened in the socialist republics.

But if it is the people who want the monarchy, why deny them it?

[Jerzylvania]

Holy shit why do people defend the soviet union

same reason some defend QAnon

[Sky Reavers]

Gotta press. For the sake of world's ideological adaptability and diversity (which gives more room for evolution)
I know, I know, there is a chance that someome may die because of this, but someone might die either way due to my inaction. I realize all dangers of pressing it, but I also realzie dangers of not pressing.

[Janpia]

Why does the momarchs gets to live in a big palace, while majority of the population dont?

This also happened in the socialist republics.

But if it is the people who want the monarchy, why deny them it?

Who says the people wants monarchy? Also, for socialist republics, atleast the leaders are replaceable compared to monarchs. Not to mention, the leader's does not have like a giant golf course, or swimming pool. Or even atleast wear jewelry.

[Jerzylvania]

perhaps by a literal definition, but by a modern definition – i.e. the division of society between proletarian and bourgeois – not at all. modern capitalism really begins after the invention of the steam engine, mechanical loom, and other industrialized machines and their replacing of less efficient workers and laborers. if you want to go even further it arguably began with the end of mercantilism or even its beginnings in the rennaissance

The Industrial revolution and capitalism are different things.

The Roman's had mass production, factories, and capital formation. they didn't have the steam engine

But brilliantly they did have running water thanks to the aquaducts. Once the west half of the Roman Empire fell running water pretty much disappeared from Western Civilization for at least a millennium. One big thing the Romans lacked was Arabic numbers. Roman numerals were just atrocious for their billing departments.