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by Bombadil » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:43 pm
by Maricarland » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:44 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:Maricarland wrote:Making housing a human right, through universal public housing, where anyone who wants to is entitled to live in public housing regardless of income, wealth, work history, housing history, pet ownership, criminal history, household size, ability or willingness to work, or anything else. I would prefer this to be rent-free, but it is likely that politicians will demand a rent, which we can set as a percentage of taxable household income, say 20%, to ensure it is affordable (if you have a taxable income of $0, you pay $0; if you have a taxable income of $1,000, you pay $200; if you have a taxable income of $1 million, you pay $200,000). We use community development corporations to build up the public housing stock in localities where the supply is low.
Let's start with the problems this might cause.
Your zoning for your new government housing gets tied up in tons of legal Red Tape because no one wants Public Housing in their Backyard.
The middle class, the upper class, and even the lower middle class complain that if you're giving them free houses you should pay for their houses as well.
Oh and the announcement that the government is going to start building homes causes a second housing collapse to hit as the artificial scarcity of homes are threatened causing the billions of dollars invested in the housing market to go up in smoke causing another economic crash.
by The Jamesian Republic » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:48 pm
Maricarland wrote:The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think now is a good time to talk about housing in America. Currently it is in crisis. So I have a few ideas on how to deal with it:
1. A trust fund to invest into communities.
2. Abolish red lines.
3. Expand affordable public housing
4. Protect tenants from being evicted.
5. Caps on raising rent.
I like all these ideas and much more.
Universal Public Housing though I think is the absolute foundation to ending homelessness and should be a part of our social safety net. I laid out 12 things I think the U.S. needs for our social safety net a few pages back.
by New haven america » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:New haven america wrote:1. There was actually.
1. There was no system for real Social Welfare in the US in the 1880s.New haven america wrote:2. Actually, the US had the best social systems/welfare/safety nets in the world in the 1950's
2. 1950 is not 1880, and yes the US did have a great safety net system after the New Deal era programs put them in place.... then they started to slowly get gutted. But that happened quite some time after the 1880s and required the victories of the progressive era and of course the Great Depression.New haven america wrote:3. Considering the fact that most people don't know about them and that the US still had open borders for the 30 years after their heyday, I can't see how you can look at those as a successful case.
3. Part of the reason immigration in the US is so hard is because of one of the most successful cases of anti-immigrant rhetoric during the Early United States, where the Federalists attempted to Weaken the Democratic Republican party with the Alien and Sedition acts.New haven america wrote:4. Also, this goes to show how little you know about immigration in the US, most new immigrants aren't given the benefits of citizens. In a lot of cases immigrants aren't allowed to have federal benefits for at least 5 years after moving in.
4. I don't remember anywhere where I said that immigrants were freely handed citizenship right off the boat, in fact part of the issues in the US with immigrants in the early US was a side effect of the above acts was that the Federalists actually artificially raised the time to become a citizen because they didn't like the politics of who were immigrating to the US.
by New haven america » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:57 pm
Bombadil wrote:My friend is renewing her green card, it's a goddamn mess of hoops and hurdles - it's not even getting a green card, it's renewing one so they clearly have all the information but she has to fill all this paperwork again, including the told 'Are you coming to the US to commit terrorist acts?' and 'Are you a communist?'. She has to go through an interview as well.
I mean..
When and where did you get married?
Were you previously married?
Besides your current marriage, how many other times have you been married?
What are the names of your previous spouses?
When did your marriage to each previous spouse end?
What the fuck does this have to do with anyone? Beyond that she has to return to the US to complete the application. Since HK banned flights to and from the US due to the pandemic it's caused no end of re-booking.
I can renew my passport with a single document and two photos, and I can do it through a consulate.
Maybe if US immigration wasn't so byzantine there'd be less illegal immigration.
by Maricarland » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:08 pm
New haven america wrote:Bombadil wrote:My friend is renewing her green card, it's a goddamn mess of hoops and hurdles - it's not even getting a green card, it's renewing one so they clearly have all the information but she has to fill all this paperwork again, including the told 'Are you coming to the US to commit terrorist acts?' and 'Are you a communist?'. She has to go through an interview as well.
I mean..
When and where did you get married?
Were you previously married?
Besides your current marriage, how many other times have you been married?
What are the names of your previous spouses?
When did your marriage to each previous spouse end?
What the fuck does this have to do with anyone? Beyond that she has to return to the US to complete the application. Since HK banned flights to and from the US due to the pandemic it's caused no end of re-booking.
I can renew my passport with a single document and two photos, and I can do it through a consulate.
Maybe if US immigration wasn't so byzantine there'd be less illegal immigration.
Nah, the US is one of the easier developed countries to get into.
You should try looking up what it takes to get into Australia or Canada. Even if you're already from another developed nation.
by New haven america » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:13 pm
Maricarland wrote:New haven america wrote:Nah, the US is one of the easier developed countries to get into.
You should try looking up what it takes to get into Australia or Canada. Even if you're already from another developed nation.
I have, many times, especially when Trump got elected in 2016. I am convinced it would be virtually impossible for me to legally immigrate to most countries in the world if I wanted to escape the United States.
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:17 pm
Maricarland wrote:New haven america wrote:Nah, the US is one of the easier developed countries to get into.
You should try looking up what it takes to get into Australia or Canada. Even if you're already from another developed nation.
I have, many times, especially when Trump got elected in 2016. I am convinced it would be virtually impossible for me to legally immigrate to most countries in the world if I wanted to escape the United States.
by New haven america » Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:24 pm
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Maricarland wrote:
I have, many times, especially when Trump got elected in 2016. I am convinced it would be virtually impossible for me to legally immigrate to most countries in the world if I wanted to escape the United States.
They'd probably also view you as a burden. Not saying it's right to view you that way, but unfortunately it's true. Hell, I would have a problem moving to Canada currently, as I am not currently a skilled worker, and I doubt other western countries would be any easier.
It's not like Americans can claim refugee status or anything like that.
by The Lone Alliance » Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:45 pm
Maricarland wrote:
Just because we have some NIMBYs as an obstacle to implementing universal public housing, does not mean Universal Public Housing is not a good idea.
Maricarland wrote:The "middle" class and "upper" class are free to also move into public housing if they want, it is universal. However, I would personally also add a vacant housing tax so high that people with excess housing that they are not using will be incentivized to either rent it out at whatever price the people can afford it or to sell it at whatever price people can afford it, even if it is a financial loss, just to avoid the vacant housing tax. Then of course if there is a rent on the universal public housing (I would prefer it be rent-free though), then the wealthy will be paying a higher rent because they have more money, even if the rent is a flat percentage.
Maricarland wrote:Currently the price of housing is being pushed higher because there are desperate people who are suffering. An asset that derives its value from the suffering of others should be driven down until that suffering is alleviated. If we had a comprehensive social safety net to protect people during an economic crash, along with public banking and worker power and cooperatives to bounce back from an economic crash, I think that a short term economic crash is worth the end of involuntary homelessness in America especially since people won't be suffering that much during the economic crash because the social safety net is providing them homes and food and medicine and so on...
Oh I agree your ideas are nice, I just don't see them as very realistic. I'm not a complete cynic who believes that it'll never happen but it's clear right now in current conditions it's not happening. The United States still has too many problems and divisions to do things that would actually help to that level, maybe soon.Maricarland wrote:
I'm glad we are on the same page here. Though I still want to fight for the social safety net, labor, and redistribution, because if we just say it is not going to happen right now, and we keep saying that, then it will never happen ever.
by Bear Stearns » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:14 pm
The Jamesian Republic wrote:I think now is a good time to talk about housing in America. Currently it is in crisis. So I have a few ideas on how to deal with it:
1. A trust fund to invest into communities.
2. Abolish red lines.
3. Expand affordable public housing
4. Protect tenants from being evicted.
5. Caps on raising rent.
by Rusozak » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:38 pm
by Alcala-Cordel » Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:54 pm
Greater Miami Shores 3 wrote:Alcala-Cordel wrote:Not everyone blindly worships political parties.
Democrats are not Political Saints. I have explained in details many times why I, me and us strongly support President Trump, Ron DeSantis and President Ronald Reagan. To me and us they are the Greatest American Presidents ever of the USA and the Greatest Governor ever of the USA. Because we strongly agree with most of their economic, political and social views on the Issues, with Pride and Honor. GMS with Pride and Honor.
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by Flanderstan » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:58 am
by Caleonia » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:19 am
The Black Forrest wrote:Nationalist Northumbria wrote:A question for the Democrats here: if FDR was such a great president, why did he win 98% of the vote in segregationist South Carolina?
Wait so if racists like a President that means he is bad?
My granddad will tell you simply because he was a leader. When you listened to him on the radio; you felt things would get better. The man spoke well.
Can you imagine Trump giving the Pearl Harbor speech?
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by Ifreann » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:18 am
Thermodolia wrote:Genivaria wrote:Eco-fascism is not the way.
It’s not eco-fascism, the USSR didn’t have the western style system of multi party democracy either. Are they fascist? It’s quite telling that you’d rather keep the failure that is democracy than to move forward and fix the climate mess while lifting the workers out of their prisons.
That’s not fascism
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why do we have "campaign promises" anyway. Completely useless phenomenon.
And not supporting illegal immigration isn't really an aspect of Fascism, specifically because under Fascism people try to leave the country to get away from the Fascism, they don't try to illegally sneak into the country.
Now if ICE starts turning their Refugee Overflow camps to "Work Camps" that'd be pretty Fascist.
by The Jamesian Republic » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:31 am
Ifreann wrote:Thermodolia wrote:It’s not eco-fascism, the USSR didn’t have the western style system of multi party democracy either. Are they fascist? It’s quite telling that you’d rather keep the failure that is democracy than to move forward and fix the climate mess while lifting the workers out of their prisons.
That’s not fascism
You're not lifting anyone out of prisons by taking away their control over the government they live under. You're just redecorating the prison. Dictators are enemies of the people, even if they style themselves in Soviet aesthetics and maintain a sham democracy.Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Why do we have "campaign promises" anyway. Completely useless phenomenon.
What I want to know is why we have NSG posters making campaign promises to other NSG posters.The Lone Alliance wrote:You do know ICE existed before Trump and did a lot of bad things even before Trump was President right?
If ICE is Fascism, then Obama and Bush were also Proto-Fascist.
They contributed in paving the way for Trump, yes.And not supporting illegal immigration isn't really an aspect of Fascism, specifically because under Fascism people try to leave the country to get away from the Fascism, they don't try to illegally sneak into the country.
Opposition to illegal immigration can be an element of fascism when that opposition is based in creating some "other", some untermensch, which is said to be destroying the nation by their presence. If Trump had built his wall and halted all immigration across America's southern border, what then? Rounding up all the "Mexicans"(of whom many are not from Mexico) already in America, of course. And don't forget that he also wanted to shut down all Muslim immigration into the United States. So they'd be on the chopping block as well. The nation would be purged according to ethnicity and religion.Now if ICE starts turning their Refugee Overflow camps to "Work Camps" that'd be pretty Fascist.
America already uses prisoners as a labour force.
by Galloism » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:43 am
by Just-An-Illusion » Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:50 am
Maricarland wrote:Flanderstan wrote:
Ice is doing its job. These immigrants broke the law, what do they expect? Taxpayer money? Lol.... no.
ICE should be abolished. Borders should be opened.
Also we should abolish a bunch of other things while we are at it, just a short-list off the top of my head: FBI, DoHS, CIA, NSA, DEA, Police, Prison, Marriage, Billionaires, Landlords, and so on...
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